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So this is a quick 2k build i have for my daemons using the daemonic incursion formation type.

Command:

Daemon lord: (300pts)
1 fateweaver

Auxiliary:

Gorethunder battery: (520pts)
1 herald of khorne + blood throne + death dealer 145
1 skull cannon of khorne 125
1 skull cannon of khorne 125
1 skull cannon of khorne 125

Grand Cavalcade: (315pts)
1 herald of slaanesh + seeker chariot 75
1 seeker chariot of slaanesh 40
1 seeker chariot of slaanesh 40
1 seeker chariot of slaanesh 40
1 seeker chariot of slaanesh 40
1 seeker chariot of slaanesh 40
1 seeker chariot of slaanesh 40

Core:

Warpflame Host: (864pts)
1 herald of tzeentch + exalted locus of conjuration +greater reward + disk of tzeentch + the endless grimoire 150
11 pink horrors of tzeentch + icon of chaos + blasted standard 119
11 pink horrors of tzeentch + icon of chaos + blasted standard 119
11 pink horrors of tzeentch + icon of chaos + blasted standard 119
3 flamers of tzeentch 69
3 flamers of tzeentch 69
3 flamers of tzeentch 69
1 exalted flamer of tzeentch 50
1 exalted flamer of tzeentch 50
1 exalted flamer of tzeentch 50

Total: 1999pts




I just wanted chariot hell... as you can see

The warlord would actually be the herald of tzeentch, and would join a unit of horrors

an exalted flamer would join each squad of horrors

the 3 units of 3 flamers would be the only units in reserver

Would love to see some pictures of your force, lovely list!

That's lucky about the pics, because we will be putting a WIP on the blog. (yeah that piece of trash)

but... Is there anything you would change about the list, my main concerns were a lack of infantry, and whether the heralds were too pricey.


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the main idea behind tactics btw so far, was using the skull cannons to allow my chariots to charge at normal initiative, on already weakened squads (tzeentch) to win on over run. kairos is there purely as a distraction carnifex mostly haha.

So I really enjoy that you coded the text with each god's color, very nice touch. But could you do us a favor and use a lighter blue for Tzeentch (like cyan). The blue you are using is kinda hard to read.

For the list, I'm not sure I like the chariots at all. Your tactic is sound for weakening the squads first, but hitting on normal initiative isn't a problem for the chariots. Hammer of Wrath always hits at I:10 and the riders' attacks are not what you buy the chariots for. If the HoW attacks don't get the job done, neither will the few extra rider attacks.
For the points you are spending on the Gore Battery, you could get the Forge Host instead. 3 AV13 Walkers are much better that 4 AV12 open-topped chariots. It also give you lot more flexibility on weapon choices, anti-air, etc.

As for Warpflame host, it seems pretty solid but I don''t think the icons are worth it. You'd be better off with more pinkies per squad. And who is the Warlord? Normally I'd assume it's FW, but you have the Endless Grimoire on your Tz Herald, so FW can't be your WL (well he can be, but then the EG has no purpose).
Check the wording on the EG, it says the Warlord knows all power, not the bearer. So if you want him to know all spells, the Herald has to be WL. If you knew this already, then sorry for pointing it out. A ML1 Tz Herald is a bad WL if you don't have him in a BIG squad.
So drop the Icons & Blasted standards and use those points to beef-up 1 Horror unit for the Herald (this will also get you another WC) and add a champion as challenge fodder.

With the Changes, the list should look like this:

Command:
Daemon lord: (300pts)
1 fateweaver

Auxiliary:

Forge Host: (520pts)
Nurgle Grinder Grinder w/ Phlegm 180 (could be Tzeetch for a pure Tz/Slaanesh theme)
Slaanesh Grinder w/ Baleful torrent 170
Slaanesh Grinder w/ Baleful torrent 170

Grand Cavalcade: (315pts)
1 herald of slaanesh + seeker chariot 75
1 seeker chariot of slaanesh 40
1 seeker chariot of slaanesh 40
1 seeker chariot of slaanesh 40
1 seeker chariot of slaanesh 40
1 seeker chariot of slaanesh 40
1 seeker chariot of slaanesh 40

Core:

Warpflame Host: (863pts)
1 herald of tzeentch + exalted locus of conjuration +greater reward + disk of tzeentch + the endless grimoire 150
17 pink horrors of tzeentch + champion 158
11 pink horrors of tzeentch 99
11 pink horrors of tzeentch 99
3 flamers of tzeentch 69
3 flamers of tzeentch 69
3 flamers of tzeentch 69
1 exalted flamer of tzeentch 50
1 exalted flamer of tzeentch 50
1 exalted flamer of tzeentch 50

Total: 1998pts

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cheers for the list.
1) yeah the herald is the warlord.... bit of a running joke. and yeah he dies but *fun*... He is actually the equivalent of a suicide suit (tau reference here). casting the beam with s6+d6 is nasty. and use the turbo boost to hide. He start in a unit of horrors, then move into range, and run. (usually he will have a decent invuln, whether its warpstorm, daemonology, tzeentch warlord trait. so he is actually pretty hilarious. especially with fateweaver.
2) icons are there purely for the flamers, i use them mainly as area denial units. the 11 pink horrors are there for the 1st turn warpcharge increase (11 man gen 2 ) as i get 3 warp charge for 27 pts.... the icons are there to boost shots for 1 round, and to act as homing beacons for the flamers if i need to go defence.
3) about the hammer of wrath, thats a quality shout, for some reason i thought that would still have reduced initiative.
4) even though slaanesh/tzeentch are my fav gods (used to be khorne in the old days like most chaos newcomers) this is my attempt at a chaos undivided army. (nurgle is my mates army, so i leave it out as we play doubles a fair amount)

tldr; icons needed imo, herald of tzeentch is warlord, hammer of wrath = good point, soulgrinders =better point.

i will try to rejig this list a little. thanks.

Good point about the icons for the Flamers. I didn't think of that. I still don't think the Blasted Icon is worth anything, and would try to use those points on more Horror meat-shields.

I have no idea what Khorne units you could add, but if you decide to go with Grinders and don't want any Nurgle in the list, go with Tz/Phlegm or Slaanesh/Torrent in whatever combination you prefer. The idea is for the Tz/Phlegm to sit back with the Horrors and the Slaanesh/torrent moving forward to support the Seeker Chariots.

Why join the Exalted Flamers to the Horrors? Horrors shoot in the psychic phase, Flamers shoot in the shooting phase - which prevent the Horrors from running. Also, they have different targets.

Any Focus for the chariots would be useful.

Grinders would be more useful, unless you really want the grenade function. But not with the ordinance - go for the other main weapons, so you can fire two weapons and move.

superkuf wrote:
Why join the Exalted Flamers to the Horrors? Horrors shoot in the psychic phase, Flamers shoot in the shooting phase - which prevent the Horrors from running. Also, they have different targets.

There really isn't a good place to put a Exalted flamer. It's infantry with Heavy weapons. So it cannot keep up with the Flamers either. Besides, the range is so short that the E'flamer will need to run with the Horrors turn 1 anyway
Having different targets isn't an issue since, as you mention, they shoot in different phases. So the Horror shoot at their intended target in the psy-phase, then the E-Flamer shoots at his target in the shooting phase.

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exalted flamer area denial. first turn run. the rest static indeed