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Yes, you either love Tau or hate Tau. I'm in the former camp, many other people are in the latter. There's not really much middle ground, except in rare cases.
Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
Azreal13 wrote: It may surprise you that it isn't news to many of us.
John probably pre dates the first publication.
Then why does John seem to be saying that 40k Space Marines predate Starship Troopers and basing it solely on the movies and TV shows?
Does the description of power armor in the book not actually contain any references to what it looks like that influenced the concepts of power armor for everything that followed?
That would be because the Starship Troopers descriptions of the things in the books are merely words, not pictures of actual or virtual 3-dimensional objects that GW could have used to create their Space Marine design aesthetic.
I'm pretty sure a description of how something looks is supposed to evoke mental imagery of what it looks like.
It does for me, anyways. When I get deep enough into a book I actually stop seeing words and start simply imagining what those words are describing. Is that not actually how reading fiction is supposed to work? Do I have a magic superpower other humans don't and never knew it? : D
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adamsouza wrote: The internet is the soap box of the vocal minority.
Tau 26% [ 64]
Vs.
Space Marines + variants 16% [ 40 ]
The Imperium Of Man. All of it. Delete. 5% [ 12 ]
According to this poll, Space Marines, also falling under the Imperium of Man, are only slightly less despised as Tau.
Let's not take this poll seriously.
Uhh, Tau got more than 50% more votes than Space Marines did.
Because 60 is 150% of 40.
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I'm pretty sure a description of how something looks is supposed to evoke mental imagery of what it looks like.
Seriously kid?
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I'm not sure I buy that, in 2016, the faction needs 'a champion' at GW to be released or worked on. That may have been the case in the early 90s, when the business was a lot smaller and people were still mostly sculpting what they felt was cool but now, with much of the universe defined and most possible model ranges released, it's probably clear where potential profit could lie. If they did need 'a champion', Jes Goodwin probably counts.
I think it's more likely that Sisters are potentially 'problematic' as an army. GW already makes very few female models, and while their recent efforts in the Eldar range have been really good at not being particularly sexualised (at least no more than the male wytches, for example), releasing an army of sexy battle nuns in power heels and boob armour might not be a great idea publicity-wise.
To avoid this, you could change the aesthetic of sisters overall - no boob armour or heels, lose the battle makeup or cool hairdos, but then you risk pissing off the current players who like that (and maybe that's not what Jes wants to sculpt).
I'm pretty sure a description of how something looks is supposed to evoke mental imagery of what it looks like.
Seriously kid?
I'm 27, and yes, when I read a book where the author is using words to describe how something looks, I always end up imagining it in my head based on the description given.
You do have an imagination, right? Like, you can picture something in your mind even though you've never seen it before? Like a normal human being?
I'm not sure I buy that, in 2016, the faction needs 'a champion' at GW to be released or worked on. That may have been the case in the early 90s, when the business was a lot smaller and people were still mostly sculpting what they felt was cool but now, with much of the universe defined and most possible model ranges released, it's probably clear where potential profit could lie. If they did need 'a champion', Jes Goodwin probably counts.
I think it's more likely that Sisters are potentially 'problematic' as an army. GW already makes very few female models, and while their recent efforts in the Eldar range have been really good at not being particularly sexualised (at least no more than the male wytches, for example), releasing an army of sexy battle nuns in power heels and boob armour might not be a great idea publicity-wise.
To avoid this, you could change the aesthetic of sisters overall - no boob armour or heels, lose the battle makeup or cool hairdos, but then you risk pissing off the current players who like that (and maybe that's not what Jes wants to sculpt).
Maybe they're just avoiding the whole thing...
I'd be in favor of losing the boob plate, but I would go for more of a pushed out section instead of just being flat. Kinda like what Pharah's armor has in Overwatch, to give you a rough idea of the general concept I'm trying to describe. Please note the triplicate usage of uncertain qualifiers there, it was a deliberate attempt to make you realize I'm not at all saying to just copy Pharah.
Sisters of Battle models never had heels to begin with, that was pretty much only in the artwork. So now I'm starting to wonder if you've even held their models in your hand... Also any woman who has ever worn heels will tell you that they are absurd footwear that both shouldn't exist to begin with and also would heavily reduce your effectiveness in combat. Literally the only reason to even wear high heels at all is to make the woman look more physically attractive through contorting the spine.
The "battle makeup" is generally either a paintjob choice or a fleur de lis tattoo on the cheek, and given that the fleur de lys is the official symbol of the Sisters of Battle, it's not really ridiculous and you don't even have to paint it on your models.
And what's wrong with their current uniform haircut? It's just a bob cut.
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I like the current models a lot. I don't think they're overly sexualised, certainly not compared to (say) the Wyches or the Witch Elves or what-have-you. I think they're wearing pretty sensible stuff to be honest - heavy armour, helmets, carry big guns...
Their haircut is a simple battle bob. It's uniform, it's thematic, it's easy to paint. I don't really think they need a redesign.
Gen.Steiner wrote: I like the current models a lot. I don't think they're overly sexualised, certainly not compared to (say) the Wyches or the Witch Elves or what-have-you. I think they're wearing pretty sensible stuff to be honest - heavy armour, helmets, carry big guns...
Their haircut is a simple battle bob. It's uniform, it's thematic, it's easy to paint. I don't really think they need a redesign.
Agree with everything here - the models are great - but need new shiny plastic versions to give us some variation!
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Mr Morden wrote: Agree with everything here - the models are great - but need new shiny plastic versions to give us some variation!
Yes, absolutely. Converting the metals is a pain in the bum. I managed it (just about) with my melta Dominions, and giving the mk1 Immolators metal multi-meltas and metal TLHBs was... easier than I expected. But still. New plastic Seraphim would be worth every last penny.
Gen.Steiner wrote: I like the current models a lot. I don't think they're overly sexualised, certainly not compared to (say) the Wyches or the Witch Elves or what-have-you. I think they're wearing pretty sensible stuff to be honest - heavy armour, helmets, carry big guns...
Their haircut is a simple battle bob. It's uniform, it's thematic, it's easy to paint. I don't really think they need a redesign.
Agreed.
Outside of the interenet, where you will find someone who will ineviatabely have an issue with any given thing, I have never heard anyone mention the Adepta Sororita's Asethestic being overly sexualised.
I reject the notion that "boob armor" is what is keeping GW releasing new Adepta Sororitas
Aslo, they are in flat footed power armor, so I don't get where the high heels comment came from as well.
I'm pretty sure a description of how something looks is supposed to evoke mental imagery of what it looks like.
Seriously kid?
I'm 27, and yes, when I read a book where the author is using words to describe how something looks, I always end up imagining it in my head based on the description given.
You do have an imagination, right? Like, you can picture something in your mind even though you've never seen it before? Like a normal human being?
The point you're spectacularly missing is that a given passage of descriptive text will be imagined completely differently by each individual reader.
A visual image will be more or less perceived in exactly the same way.
The fact you didn't appear to grasp something so staggeringly self evident is baffling.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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Shorn makes me think of monks, but the wimple would make a nice alternative to the helmets. I must admit to a personal attachment to the bob-cut, I think it looks really good.
As far as the Blanche-heels go, well, yeah, but the figures themselves don't have heels.
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Nope. Never seen the film. And besides, the bob-cut is quite clearly established in the artwork - admittedly if they revamp them they can revamp them however they like, but I like the look. Out of interest, your own Sisters army - have you gone for a majority of Sisters in helmets? Most of mine are bare headed with the bob. It gave me a chance to do loads of different hair colours - brown, black, red, blonde, etc. After all, dying your hair smacks of the sin of pride!
My Sisters force is primarily bob cuts; if I could have had all of them swapped for sallet helms, wimples and/or shaved heads, I'd have done it in an instant. But as we both know, that wasn't really an option. The majority of the models were bob cuts in the original model mix, which is when I acquired most of mine.
Color-wise, I've gone with natural color.
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JohnHwangDD wrote: My Sisters force is primarily bob cuts; if I could have had all of them swapped for sallet helms, wimples and/or shaved heads, I'd have done it in an instant. But as we both know, that wasn't really an option. The majority of the models were bob cuts in the original model mix, which is when I acquired most of mine.
Color-wise, I've gone with natural color.
Natural hair colour is the only way forwards for the faithful!
I hope that any revamp gives helmeted and bare heads in equal number so that one can build an army that's either fully helmed, fully bare headed, or mixed.
JohnHwangDD wrote: My Sisters force is primarily bob cuts; if I could have had all of them swapped for sallet helms, wimples and/or shaved heads, I'd have done it in an instant.
I hope that any revamp gives helmeted and bare heads in equal number so that one can build an army that's either fully helmed, fully bare headed, or mixed.
If GW ever makes plastic Sisters with extra sallet helmets, I will buy the sallet helms, decapitate the bare headed Sisters (like a Grey Knight! ), and put the sallets on them!
Of course, as we know this won't ever happen, I might as well be wishing for a pony to go with them...
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Gen.Steiner wrote: I like the current models a lot. I don't think they're overly sexualised, certainly not compared to (say) the Wyches or the Witch Elves or what-have-you. I think they're wearing pretty sensible stuff to be honest - heavy armour, helmets, carry big guns...
Their haircut is a simple battle bob. It's uniform, it's thematic, it's easy to paint. I don't really think they need a redesign.
The boobplate looks pretty dumb. It is my issue with their design.
Their armour is also very thin - particularly noticeable on the thighs and ankles. They shouldn't really be thinner than Scions, but they are.
That said, their helmet design is awesome.
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Gen.Steiner wrote: I like the current models a lot. I don't think they're overly sexualised, certainly not compared to (say) the Wyches or the Witch Elves or what-have-you. I think they're wearing pretty sensible stuff to be honest - heavy armour, helmets, carry big guns...
Their haircut is a simple battle bob. It's uniform, it's thematic, it's easy to paint. I don't really think they need a redesign.
The boobplate looks pretty dumb. It is my issue with their design.
Their armour is also very thin - particularly noticeable on the thighs. They shouldn't really be thinner than Scions, but they are.
That said, their helmet design is awesome.
The new Stormtroopers are bigger because of scale creep; don't forget the Sisters of Battle are 2nd Edition sculpts.
I can't believe people are asking for "more female miniatures" and then arguing that the SoB are too sexualized...
SoB avoided stupid things like heels (God I HATE seeing SoB with heels in fanarts !) and wear full armour, but no, we still have people complaining.
Just play with Space Marines then. Oh but no, I forgot: Space Marines aren't womanish enough...
I think they are the perfect design to make a model looks womanish, without being to sexualized (ok, we might get ride of those boobs plates ).
And I think, if GW revamp the SoB range, thanks to the plastic, they would be awesome and have even more realistic proportions.
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godardc wrote: I can't believe people are asking for "more female miniatures" and then arguing that the SoB are too sexualized...
SoB avoided stupid things like heels (God I HATE seeing SoB with heels in fanarts !) and wear full armour, but no, we still have people complaining.
What is stupid about 'I want something, but I do not want it if it is done badly?'
It's like being gifted a car and complaining when it explodes. I would actually complain, and I don't care if you would call me ungrateful.
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Given that we have no idea of the composition of their armour plate, I think it's safe to say that, yes, they are indeed fit warrior-nuns in heavy armour.
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), and put the sallets on them!
