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 Pouncey wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:


You can't just keep using the argument "Well, I have no proof, but the imperium has like 6 gorjillian people! That's a lot, right? Some of the girls gotta be ripped!"

SB, do you have any concept of statistical odds?

I do, but statistical odds can't defy science and make women stronger than men.

No, but they can make it so that when you only need to select 200 billion from 20,000,000 billion the choices you end up with make the average a very irrelevant number.

An above average woman is still weaker than an above average man.

And it doesn't matter, really. The Astra Militarum have minimum requirements for duty, not one-on-one duels to determine who's better. And the kind of standards they're able to set make it so that every member of the IG, male and female, fulfill a very high criteria for melee combat. And they can afford to be VERY choosy about who they let in, to the point where in an Imperium of a million worlds they likely have entire tithes which are male or female which are completely equal to each other.

They're NOT recruiting EVERY above average person. They're recruiting enough to maintain numbers of 200 billion, from an overall population one hundred thousand times larger.

In short, the averages are irrelevant to even talk about because the Astra Militarum has standards, and the number of people they're able to reject and still maintain their numbers means that every combination of male and female recruits is both possible and still maintains the physical strength deemed necessary to be combat-capable.


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 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

Yes, but those men are below average and those women are above average.

How do you figure that?

I thought you said there was so many people in the Imperium that only .0001 percent are in the Guard? They can be quite picky, why not pick the fittest of the fit?

And I figure that because testosterone exists.

the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, stop attacking this poor guy, it's not as if he's said anything sexist or racist in the course of this post, he's just passionate about -

"Again, this usually goes against the Lore and is super forceful when for some reason Ultras, Celestial Lions and White Scars team up for no other reason than the perfect ethnic trio."

wait..

"Maybe, just maybe, something isn't racist, but the vast majority would rather a hero from a large country with plenty of players, instead of a hero from Zimbabwe which 2 people could enjoy?"

but..

"Actually, if you had all the women at home acting as baby machines they guy that got shot would have a bigger army. The 2 guys next to him gun both of you down. Game over. "

I guess in context of...

"It's only Chinese because they breed like rabbits over there, however most foreign countries teach English and some of the arguably most important countries have it as their primary language. "

oh.

"you can infer that they probably wanted their strongest people on the front, and the instinctively nurturing people on the backlines caring for the soldiers and keeping the grease in the wheels back home."

oh.

"In this post: 40k is a safe space! Chinese people, mexican people, black people! If I don't see a transgender space marine GW is bigots!"

I've always wanted to say this.

If you want people to stop calling you a bigot you should stop saying things that are racist and sexist.

Gen.Steiner wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
It IS fully supported. No artwork or paintjobs have shown black Cadians, thus we can infer Cadia has no black people. Women are statistically weaker than men. This has been proven by many studies. Why are you getting your panties in a knot over the truth? I am not arguing against less diversity in 40k, and I understand there is female Imperial Guardsmen. I have already stated that when they get updated a couple different bits would be good.

At this point it's just become an echo-chamber of "HEY YOU BAD MAN WHY YOU GOTTA HATE BLACKS AND THE WOMAN MAN".

Hang on... wait...

You're saying Cadians aren't black, therefore no African or Asian facial features are allowed at all, despite all the other non-white ethnic groups in the 41st Millenium.

You're also saying, women are statistically weaker, therefore no female Guardsmen, despite all the female Guard troopers and forces.

THEN you say you're NOT arguing for less diversity and you know there are female Guard?

...

What? You are literally arguing against there being diversity in the Imperial Guard range. That is why I've been banging my head against your brick wall of NO WIMMIN NO BLAKS for the last day.

I've also given you multiple examples of very strong women (and at least one nine year old girl) who out-do almost everyone else on the planet, regardless of gender or testosterone levels. Yet you ignore that.

I've given you examples of non-white humans in the background of 40K, and examples of women in the background of 40K, all of them relevant to the Imperial Guard...

...and you respond with BUT SCIENCE SAYS WOMEN ARE WEAK.

Good grief, man. Either you're a bigot or a troll. Pick your poison.

Point to a post of mine that says"No women in the army, no blacks in the army!" (not Cadia, ARMY)

I ignore because they are entirely anecdotal.

And I know different races exist in 40k. Why can't you read my posts?

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:


Yes, I have an issue with someone because they are scientifically weaker. /s I am simply stating facts. Are you denying women aren't weaker than men?

You keep saying that like it ends the argument that females should not be in the armed forces. It doesn't. You need to accept that physical strength is not the only requirement for service in the armed forces.

I took the time to filter this thread for your greatest hits. Let's look at them and work on your anti-female outlook on life.

BS#1ShieldBrotherSaid wrote:
1. I'm not saying women don't serve in 40k, plenty do, I'm just saying there would be less than men.

2. I don't, surprisingly enough. I know women soldiers exist in both real life and 40k, but it's not as tactically sound as it could be.

3. People were arguing the equality of men and women in war for 40k, the closest comparison we can get is men and women today, hence the post.

4. I, #1SHIELDBROTHER3++ FULLY ACKNOWLEDGE THERE IS FEMALE GUARDSMEN, AND I ACCEPT THAT. Can we get over that now? It doesn't make sense but so does 10 story high dogs with laser cannons.

5. Except everyone asking for female stuff is a minority. GW need to see good, solid, statistics before they spend a lot of money just for diversity instead of the next big model or campaign, which would probably rope them more sales.

6. Actually, if you had all the women at home acting as baby machines they guy that got shot would have a bigger army. The 2 guys next to him gun both of you down. Game over.

1. Stawman argument. Not a single person here has said that "All Cadians should have boobs" or "All Tau should be chicks." Not one. But you can't seem to accept that Bob wants three of his plastic IG army mens to be female, so you're arguing (for reasons unknown) that there shouldn't be any females in the military. Yes, you have said this MANY times in this thread.

2. Female soldiers aren't tactically sound. For the nest 12 or so posts, you argue about females being weaker then men and you use that as your sole excuse that there should be no women in the military. Again, those are YOUR words.

3. In the Grim Darkness of the Far Future where this is only war, you conscript whoever the feth you can slap a uniform on and shove a rifle into their hands. The 40k universe is full of scary monsters that want to kill, and sometimes eat you. Even IF females are weaker than men, the Imperiam WANTS them on that wall. They NEED them on that wall. You can't handle the truth!

4. Even though you grudgingly accept that other players want to use female models in their IG units, and that female IG are part of the existing 40k Lore, you still follow that acceptance with "It doesn't make sense." Why? Women are in the mother fething military right now. They are fighting and dying RIGHT NOW for your fething freedom. They are flying helicopters into war zones, they are in HumVees defusing bombs, they are locked and loaded and making the world a safer place. But that doesn't make sense? Please go find someone to talk to. You need help.

5. Citation needed that IG players that want female/male diversity are the minority. GW doesn't do market research, so the "GW need to see good, solid, statistics before they..." is laughable, at best.

6. And then, finally BOOM! The biggot opens his mouth (or types with this fingers, as it were). "if you had all the women at home acting as baby machines". Those are YOUR words. Right there. Read them. "Get back to the kitchen." "You have no place in the armed forces." "Women should stay home and should only make 60% of what their male counterparts make."


Again. Seek help. After I post this, you'll go on ignore. But please let my words seep in. You can get better. You can stop being the person the rest of us are sadly witnessing.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
I thought you said there was so many people in the Imperium that only .0001 percent are in the Guard? They can be quite picky, why not pick the fittest of the fit?

And I figure that because testosterone exists.

I'm saying that they can both afford to pick the fittest of the fit and still have tons and tons of female members. Some of their regiments should even be female-only or male-only just due to random chance.

If you have a range of 1-100 representing men, with the average being 50, and a range of 1-99 representing women, with the average still being very close to 50, a woman who is at 99 has an advantage over a man who is at 98, and both of them will still be not only above average but also at the very top ends of their sexes.

 Pouncey wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, stop attacking this poor guy, it's not as if he's said anything sexist or racist in the course of this post, he's just passionate about -

"Again, this usually goes against the Lore and is super forceful when for some reason Ultras, Celestial Lions and White Scars team up for no other reason than the perfect ethnic trio."

wait..

"Maybe, just maybe, something isn't racist, but the vast majority would rather a hero from a large country with plenty of players, instead of a hero from Zimbabwe which 2 people could enjoy?"

but..

"Actually, if you had all the women at home acting as baby machines they guy that got shot would have a bigger army. The 2 guys next to him gun both of you down. Game over. "

I guess in context of...

"It's only Chinese because they breed like rabbits over there, however most foreign countries teach English and some of the arguably most important countries have it as their primary language. "

oh.

"you can infer that they probably wanted their strongest people on the front, and the instinctively nurturing people on the backlines caring for the soldiers and keeping the grease in the wheels back home."

oh.

"In this post: 40k is a safe space! Chinese people, mexican people, black people! If I don't see a transgender space marine GW is bigots!"

I've always wanted to say this.

If you want people to stop calling you a bigot you should stop saying things that are racist and sexist.

Explain how first one is racist pls. Are you saying an asian, an african, and a greek aren't an ethnic trio that would include most people?

Are you also saying that Zimbabwe has as strong as an overwatch community as Canada?

That was a joke, but alright.

Are you saying China doesn't have a ridiculously high population to the point where it's unhealthy?

Are you saying America isn't one of the most important countries in the world?

Joke again.

Some people need to grow a thicker skin.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
Point to a post of mine that says"No women in the army, no blacks in the army!" (not Cadia, ARMY)

I ignore because they are entirely anecdotal.

And I know different races exist in 40k. Why can't you read my posts?

Do you want me to go find your post where you state almost verbatim that the Imperial Guard should be taking all of their female members out of the military and using them as brood mares?

 Pouncey wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
Point to a post of mine that says"No women in the army, no blacks in the army!" (not Cadia, ARMY)

I ignore because they are entirely anecdotal.

And I know different races exist in 40k. Why can't you read my posts?

Do you want me to go find your post where you state almost verbatim that the Imperial Guard should be taking all of their female members out of the military and using them as brood mares?

I already did. Please stop engaging the man. He clearly thinks that women don't "make sense" in the military. Is that really someone you want to engage in honest discussion?

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:


That was a joke, but alright.

Joke again.

Some people need to grow a thicker skin.

None of your jokes are funny.

It'd be best if you stooped now.

Only warning.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, stop attacking this poor guy, it's not as if he's said anything sexist or racist in the course of this post, he's just passionate about -

"Again, this usually goes against the Lore and is super forceful when for some reason Ultras, Celestial Lions and White Scars team up for no other reason than the perfect ethnic trio."

wait..

"Maybe, just maybe, something isn't racist, but the vast majority would rather a hero from a large country with plenty of players, instead of a hero from Zimbabwe which 2 people could enjoy?"

but..

"Actually, if you had all the women at home acting as baby machines they guy that got shot would have a bigger army. The 2 guys next to him gun both of you down. Game over. "

I guess in context of...

"It's only Chinese because they breed like rabbits over there, however most foreign countries teach English and some of the arguably most important countries have it as their primary language. "

oh.

"you can infer that they probably wanted their strongest people on the front, and the instinctively nurturing people on the backlines caring for the soldiers and keeping the grease in the wheels back home."

oh.

"In this post: 40k is a safe space! Chinese people, mexican people, black people! If I don't see a transgender space marine GW is bigots!"

I've always wanted to say this.

If you want people to stop calling you a bigot you should stop saying things that are racist and sexist.

Explain how first one is racist pls. Are you saying an asian, an african, and a greek aren't an ethnic trio that would include most people?

You said it was the only reason they would do so. Yes, that is racist.

Are you also saying that Zimbabwe has as strong as an overwatch community as Canada?

Zimbabwe wasn't even relevant to the conversation.

That was a joke, but alright.

An extremely sexist one you stated with nothing denoting humor. No one found it funny.

Are you saying China doesn't have a ridiculously high population to the point where it's unhealthy?

Saying people "breed like rabbits" is extremely bigoted when you're referring to a country.

Are you saying America isn't one of the most important countries in the world?

I think they like to overstate their importance.

Joke again.

Some people need to grow a thicker skin.

No one found your jokes funny. Funniness requires humor. Your "jokes" lacked humor, thus failed at being jokes.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

 Selym wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:


You can't just keep using the argument "Well, I have no proof, but the imperium has like 6 gorjillian people! That's a lot, right? Some of the girls gotta be ripped!"

SB, do you have any concept of statistical odds?

I do, but statistical odds can't defy science and make women stronger than men.

Let's be scientific. Are there IRL women who are stronger than IRL men?

Yes, but those men are below average and those women are above average.

Alright, let's say that's true. And for the sake of the argument, let's bias the numbers I will use in favour of your side.

GIven that:

>The top 1% of women's physicality is above average
>The top 1% of women IRL do stuff like the Olympics
>The women's Olympics consists of feats of strength, speed and endurance beyond that of the average man

We can ascertain that there are a number of women who fit the description of "better than the average man". In our example, 1% of women are this.
Given that in the Imperium, a selection pool of 50 million candidates is to be happily considered a sup-par quantity, we can reasonably use this as a method of determining a lower-end estimate of the quantity of women in the IG.
Current world statistics hold that just under 50% of humans are female. Let's say that the recruitment pool holds 40% women.

This leaves us with 20 million women in a recruitment pool. Take the top 1% of women. This gives us 200,000 women.

From one world's low-count recruitment pool, we are getting at least 200,000 women. Now realise that there are hundreds, if not thousands of worlds that can do this too.

200,000 multiplied by a reasonable world-count of 200 gives us 40,000,000 women in the Imperial Guard.

Or, to put it another way, more women than IG models in player's collections. If every single guard model owned by IG players was female, it would be well within the fluff for that quantity of women to be fielded.

Does this argument make sense to you?

I would find the relevant posts, but other people have done it for me.

I am arguing that Games Workshop should get their sculptors to add into their Imperial Guard boxes (Catachan and Cadian), 2-3 female torsos and heads, and a couple of non-white heads. I'm not even arguing for parity. I just want the option to be there, because it reflects the background that Games Workshop themselves have produced for their own wargame.

You, on the other hand, have repeatedly argued that because Cadia is an all-white planet (based on inference from artwork), that there should be no non-white heads in the boxes, because, I assume, you think that no-one uses the Cadian figures to represent Guardsmen from other planets... like, say, Vitria, where everyone is black.

You have also argued that because SCIENCE, women in the Guard make no sense. I have pointed out the Dahomey, the Scythians, and several other examples of large groups of women in combat from throughout history up to and including the present day, and also individual examples of women and girls who are strong and powerful, to make the point that women in the Guard does in fact make sense. You seem to ignore this, because SCIENCE.

It seems to me that your argument boils down to NO BECAUSE IT HURTS MY FEELS. That's charitable.

 kronk wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
Point to a post of mine that says"No women in the army, no blacks in the army!" (not Cadia, ARMY)

I ignore because they are entirely anecdotal.

And I know different races exist in 40k. Why can't you read my posts?

Do you want me to go find your post where you state almost verbatim that the Imperial Guard should be taking all of their female members out of the military and using them as brood mares?

I already did. Please stop engaging the man. He clearly thinks that women don't "make sense" in the military. Is that really someone you want to engage in honest discussion?

Okay, back on subject then.

Would a torso/head conversion kit really be enough to turn a Cadian or Catachan model into a convincing female miniature? Yes, the torso and head would be right, but the torso and head aren't the only part of the female human body that's different from their male counterparts.

To make a good female Cadian/Catachan (assuming we're going with ones for the existing plastic kits) it might actually require an entire miniature, particularly considering that IG weapons are molded onto their arms. Which would then require a separate kit.

I started thinking about it after I saw the Vic's Minis posted earlier and kinda felt the torso and heads weren't the only parts that were different from the men.

But I guess really for GW models it might not matter since their bulk is higher than a real person's would be.

Thoughts on whether a simple torso and head swap on a standard Cadian model would be sufficient to make the model look adequately female instead of a bizarre mix and match of male and female body parts?

 Pouncey wrote:
Thoughts on whether a simple torso and head swap on a standard Cadian model would be sufficient to make the model look adequately female instead of a bizarre mix and match of male and female body parts?

I think it'd work fine. All you really need is a female head. A torso option is just because, GW being GW, they'd add boobs.

 reds8n wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:


That was a joke, but alright.

Joke again.

Some people need to grow a thicker skin.

None of your jokes are funny.

It'd be best if you stooped now.

Only warning.

We'll try this again.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

I get that, go ahead. And what makes a 28mm scale model black, or white? All the faces could be any colour.

Again,you don't need separate heads for black people.

I've argued that because science, women have less muscles. The examples you've displayed never won because their muscles, did they? An all your examples were women in women only units, not men and women where the sex differences would cause a problem.

If anything, yours is. "BAd man doesnt like woman!"

Zulu Warriors by Wargames Foundry.

Chinese Warlord troops by Copplestone Castings.


YPJ/YPG mixed male and female infantry column during the current war in Syria, a force that defeated ISIS at Kobane and is now pushing towards Raqqa together with the mostly-Kurd Syrian Democratic Forces...

...oh, and the Scythians fought mixed male and female using compound bows on horseback against the Greeks, giving rise to both the Amazons and the Centaur myths. Not to mention the mixed male and female military units of FARC, or the Cuban Revolution, or the People's Liberation Army during the war against the Kuomintang, or the mixed male and female active units of the PLO in the 1970s (or has everyone forgotten Leila Khaled already?) or the Baader-Meinhof Gang, or...

Alright, I'll throw in the towel. It was fun while it lasted boys. Officially abandoning thread.

 Pouncey wrote:


Would a torso/head conversion kit really be enough to turn a Cadian or Catachan model into a convincing female miniature? Yes, the torso and head would be right, but the torso and head aren't the only part of the female human body that's different from their male counterparts.

To make a good female Cadian/Catachan (assuming we're going with ones for the existing plastic kits) it might actually require an entire miniature, particularly considering that IG weapons are molded onto their arms. Which would then require a separate kit.

I started thinking about it after I saw the Vic's Minis posted earlier and kinda felt the torso and heads weren't the only parts that were different from the men.

But I guess really for GW models it might not matter since their bulk is higher than a real person's would be.

Thoughts on whether a simple torso and head swap on a standard Cadian model would be sufficient to make the model look adequately female instead of a bizarre mix and match of male and female body parts?

I can't find the picture someone has brought out before, but it shows a female and male army dudes/chicks on patrol with all of their gear. Once you put on the bullet proof vest, the back pack, and everything else, the only thing feminine is the face.

Gen.Steiner wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
Thoughts on whether a simple torso and head swap on a standard Cadian model would be sufficient to make the model look adequately female instead of a bizarre mix and match of male and female body parts?

I think it'd work fine. All you really need is a female head. A torso option is just because, GW being GW, they'd add boobs.

It has nothing to do with "GW being GW". It has everything to do with scale being scale, it isn't going to be easy to recognize male from female at tabletop distances.

Here's a great example of companies doing this from Corvus Belli's "Infinity" range:

Because of the fact that at tabletop distances the females with the same gear would look like slender males they opted instead (wrongly IMO) to do the stupid "no tactical vest, weird strappy harness underboob" nonsense instead.

 kronk wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:


Would a torso/head conversion kit really be enough to turn a Cadian or Catachan model into a convincing female miniature? Yes, the torso and head would be right, but the torso and head aren't the only part of the female human body that's different from their male counterparts.

To make a good female Cadian/Catachan (assuming we're going with ones for the existing plastic kits) it might actually require an entire miniature, particularly considering that IG weapons are molded onto their arms. Which would then require a separate kit.

I started thinking about it after I saw the Vic's Minis posted earlier and kinda felt the torso and heads weren't the only parts that were different from the men.

But I guess really for GW models it might not matter since their bulk is higher than a real person's would be.

Thoughts on whether a simple torso and head swap on a standard Cadian model would be sufficient to make the model look adequately female instead of a bizarre mix and match of male and female body parts?

I can't find the picture someone has brought out before, but it shows a female and male army dudes/chicks on patrol with all of their gear. Once you put on the bullet proof vest, the back pack, and everything else, the only thing feminine is the face.

So we literally don't even need torsos to make it work?

I could go for a 10 IG head conversion pack for an appropriate price.

If GW's gonna put massive boobs on the torsos, I'd rather just skip them and stick with headswaps. At least with Sisters of Battle you can kinda see there might be a point to them, since power amor is fairly thick so it's going to exaggerate the size anyways, and there is some benefit to the Sisters of Battle doing everything they reasonably can to appear 100% female since them being female is the only reason they're allowed to exist. But IG wouldn't feel the need to do so.

Eldar would require more than just heads to get some female Aspect Warriors going, since they wear form-fitting bodysuit armor and not bulky uniforms and flak vests. You'd 100% need torsos since those boobs are gonna show through no matter what you do. But in the Guardian kit the only difference between male and female Guardians IS the torso, so you could just do a torso swap and keep the helmeted heads. But that would require a revamp of Aspect Warriors since their models don't actually have separate torso pieces.

I bring up Eldar because just having two units with female models really isn't enough when the fluff says ALL their units should have at least some females to some degree. Those IG heads can be applied to every model in the range since they have common head sizes, but Eldar Aspect Warriors each have a unique aesthetic so you can't just add a Guardian or Banshee torso to a Dire Avenger or Striking Scorpion.

Not sure how you'd do a female Farseer and Warlock. Maybe just take the helmet off (wouldn't be unprecedented) and let people see an obviously-female face? Could even make the models as plastic character kits with the unhelmeted female head being one of two options, so you could still sell it as a male model to anyone. Their rune armor and robes destroy almost any sense of size of their torso so you wouldn't notice boobs.

A better example of how to do female near-future/SF troopers is from Hasslefree Miniatures: Harlequin, Widow, Mckenzie (b), and Debra.

I mean, it is possible to make to-scale female troopers that are recognisably female and that aren't ridiculous boob-creatures. Victoria Miniatures manages it. Hasslefree manages it.

There is so much speciesist anthropomorphocentric bigotry in this thread I think I might vomit. "Hey let's make all the aliens look human, because da humies iz da bestest". No! let's have some real diversity, as in aliens that actually look alien. 40k only has the tyranids as genuinely alien aliens, that's speciesist anthropomorphic bigotry right there.

In solidarity with our brain slug overlords.

 SolarCross wrote:
There is so much speciesist anthropomorphocentric bigotry in this thread I think I might vomit. "Hey let's make all the aliens look human, because da humies iz da bestest". No! let's have some real diversity, as in aliens that actually look alien. 40k only has the tyranids as genuinely alien aliens, that's speciesist anthropomorphic bigotry right there.

In solidarity with our brain slug overlords.

Actually, I absolutely agree. I think GW should do Hrud, Loxatl, and even weirder aliens. The Tau and Dark Eldar Codexes are great places to put them, and so would Codex: Xenohunters (should they ever write one).

 SolarCross wrote:
There is so much speciesist anthropomorphocentric bigotry in this thread I think I might vomit. "Hey let's make all the aliens look human, because da humies iz da bestest". No! let's have some real diversity, as in aliens that actually look alien. 40k only has the tyranids as genuinely alien aliens, that's speciesist anthropomorphic bigotry right there.

In solidarity with our brain slug overlords.

To my knowledge, the Eldar and Humans look alike because they were both created by the same race who got lazy and re-used parts from one in the other.


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Gen.Steiner wrote:
A better example of how to do female near-future/SF troopers is from Hasslefree Miniatures: Harlequin, Widow, Mckenzie (b), and Debra.

I mean, it is possible to make to-scale female troopers that are recognisably female and that aren't ridiculous boob-creatures. Victoria Miniatures manages it. Hasslefree manages it.

I would like to at least know what I should be talking about, because I keep getting swung from completely new models to just headswap kits and I don't know what argument to even make anymore.

Though on the subject of the whole model looking female without being ridiculous, weren't there a couple of guys like a decade ago who were buying standard Cadians and then converting them slightly so they looked like female Cadians who fit in 100% with the male ones?

I recall GW allowed them to operate so long as they only took orders through e-mail instead of a shopping cart or something.

Gen.Steiner wrote:

Actually, I absolutely agree. I think GW should do Hrud, Loxatl, and even weirder aliens. The Tau and Dark Eldar Codexes are great places to put them, and so would Codex: Xenohunters (should they ever write one).

Yes, they should do those but I say they shouldn't just be a footnote in some pointy eared human or blue human codex, they should have their own codicies.

 Pouncey wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:


Would a torso/head conversion kit really be enough to turn a Cadian or Catachan model into a convincing female miniature? Yes, the torso and head would be right, but the torso and head aren't the only part of the female human body that's different from their male counterparts.

To make a good female Cadian/Catachan (assuming we're going with ones for the existing plastic kits) it might actually require an entire miniature, particularly considering that IG weapons are molded onto their arms. Which would then require a separate kit.

I started thinking about it after I saw the Vic's Minis posted earlier and kinda felt the torso and heads weren't the only parts that were different from the men.

But I guess really for GW models it might not matter since their bulk is higher than a real person's would be.

Thoughts on whether a simple torso and head swap on a standard Cadian model would be sufficient to make the model look adequately female instead of a bizarre mix and match of male and female body parts?

I can't find the picture someone has brought out before, but it shows a female and male army dudes/chicks on patrol with all of their gear. Once you put on the bullet proof vest, the back pack, and everything else, the only thing feminine is the face.

So we literally don't even need torsos to make it work?

I could go for a 10 IG head conversion pack for an appropriate price.

If GW's gonna put massive boobs on the torsos, I'd rather just skip them and stick with headswaps.

I don't know why they would. The Sisters of Battle aren't all swimsuit models, for example. You can tell on the Eldar and Dark Eldar, but they all wear skin-tight clothing (male and female) with advanced "polymer technology" or whatever. From 3' away, you shouldn't be able to tell a female guardsman from a male guardsman, except for hair sticking out of her hat/helmet, maybe. Just my opinion, and I could be wrong.

This thread sucks.

Gen.Steiner wrote:


I think it'd work fine. All you really need is a female head. A torso option is just because, GW being GW, they'd add boobs.

Hey it's Space Opera and gaming with ass-kicking armored pauldron nor real life don't search the female version of

but of

and you will find this

(Los Angeles Temptation player from Legends Football League)
and so search for that:
and
Thanks to Prodos you can already have this

or if you prefer female vindicare looking like Starcraft Sarah Kerrigan when she was a Ghost

https://dhcwargamesblog.wordpress.com/author/dhcwargames/page/5/

If you love camo, keep

for using Bolt Action historical rules (http://www.warlordgames.com/bolt-action/) for dirty wars and ask GW to be inspired by

for 40K.

 kronk wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:


Would a torso/head conversion kit really be enough to turn a Cadian or Catachan model into a convincing female miniature? Yes, the torso and head would be right, but the torso and head aren't the only part of the female human body that's different from their male counterparts.

To make a good female Cadian/Catachan (assuming we're going with ones for the existing plastic kits) it might actually require an entire miniature, particularly considering that IG weapons are molded onto their arms. Which would then require a separate kit.

I started thinking about it after I saw the Vic's Minis posted earlier and kinda felt the torso and heads weren't the only parts that were different from the men.

But I guess really for GW models it might not matter since their bulk is higher than a real person's would be.

Thoughts on whether a simple torso and head swap on a standard Cadian model would be sufficient to make the model look adequately female instead of a bizarre mix and match of male and female body parts?

I can't find the picture someone has brought out before, but it shows a female and male army dudes/chicks on patrol with all of their gear. Once you put on the bullet proof vest, the back pack, and everything else, the only thing feminine is the face.

So we literally don't even need torsos to make it work?

I could go for a 10 IG head conversion pack for an appropriate price.

If GW's gonna put massive boobs on the torsos, I'd rather just skip them and stick with headswaps.

I don't know why they would. The Sisters of Battle aren't all swimsuit models, for example. You can tell on the Eldar and Dark Eldar, but they all wear skin-tight clothing (male and female) with advanced "polymer technology" or whatever. From 3' away, you shouldn't be able to tell a female guardsman from a male guardsman, except for hair sticking out of her hat/helmet, maybe. Just my opinion, and I could be wrong.

Why did you cut out part of my post only to say the things I said as though they were your own contribution?


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 Elbows wrote:
This thread sucks.

Just skip past, like, all of it until the most recent page.

I dunno what the hell was going on for most of this thread but it wasn't fun for anyone and can almost entirely be ignored without issue.

 Pouncey wrote:


Why did you cut out part of my post only to say the things I said as though they were your own contribution?

I was answering your statement "If GW's gonna put massive boobs on the torsos, I'd rather just skip them and stick with headswaps." with my own opinions. I didn't bother reading the rest.

Please show me where I kicked your dog and ate your doughnut.