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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/22 14:47:10
Subject: Dark Eldar Wratih-construct ideas
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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I am looking for some ideas for conversions as well as ways to play Eldar Wraith constructs using Dark Eldar rules. Theme ideas for fluff would be nice too. So far I am thinking of using the idea of a Spiritseer going off the deep end and acting more like a Haemonculus than a Craftworld Seer. I plan on converting a Talo & Cronos using Wraithlord parts mostly (I do have some Necron Wratih tails that I'll probably use as well) These would go with my "Seer" Haemonculus to form a Dark Artisan formation. I also think I'll use a Grotesquerie formation using WraithBlades as the base for the models. After this I was going to field a CAD of Dark Eldar with Venom Spam, Scourges & Reavers, maybe a Succubus to go with 1 Grot unit. Fluff-wise I do not want to be considered "Dark Eldar", but rather a Corsair-like Craftworld splinter group that has resorted to darker means of warfare. I want to avoid using actual Eldar rules and do not own the Corsair rules, so those are out too. I am posting this in Painting & Modeling as well as Tactics, but in this thread, let me hear some list-building/tactics ideas -
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2016/08/22 14:47:24
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/22 18:34:42
Subject: Dark Eldar Wratih-construct ideas
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Possessed Khorne Marine Covered in Spikes
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I've seen corpse-thief-claw used to great effect. A huge point sink, but it will kill anything short of a titan in combat pretty much. the VP's are very helpful too. I think they get scout too, which would help with their generally slow speed in a DE list.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/22 18:38:57
Subject: Dark Eldar Wratih-construct ideas
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Lethal Lhamean
Birmingham
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ShieldBrother wrote:I've seen corpse-thief-claw used to great effect. A huge point sink, but it will kill anything short of a titan in combat pretty much. the VP's are very helpful too. I think they get scout too, which would help with their generally slow speed in a DE list.
They're awesome but their biggest weakness is Strength D and Force/Instant Death. I've lost an entire CPC turn 1 to a pair of Dreadknights that had force off before.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/22 18:39:52
Subject: Dark Eldar Wratih-construct ideas
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I really like the theme! You could definitely make the Eldar wraith constructs into twisted, dark versions of their former selves. With that in mind, I think a coven list is the way to go. The transition from Wraithlord to Talos/Cronos and Wraithguard to Grotesques is too cool to pass up. That also happens to be probably the most effective DE list choice, so go nuts. As mentioned, CTC is a beast!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/22 21:23:32
Subject: Dark Eldar Wratih-construct ideas
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Is the twin-linked Liquifier on the Talos a good option? I know it normally isn't, but since the Cronos comes with the syphon (str 3 Ap3) and both will precision deepstrike with the WebWay portal, isn't it a good idea to capitalize on that? Double Flamers that could torch a Marine unit? I know an issue with it is the str 3, but being twin-linked will give it re-rolls to wound. Is it worth the loss of attack? Also, what it a good tail weapon option for the Talos? How do you setup the Haemonculus in the Dark Artisan?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/22 23:56:56
Subject: Dark Eldar Wratih-construct ideas
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I'd stay away from anything that takes attacks away from your Taloses. You also run the risk of failing to charge because you killed too much with shooting. Speaking of which, I'd either go all haywire or all splinter cannons for your shooting. Figure out what your weaknesses are going to be - probably vehicles, since you're Coven - and shore them up the best you can.
For weapons, I'd go with probably 2-3 ichor injectors. They're pretty pricy, but it's damn nice to off that Hive Tyrant or Demon Prince in one go. Wraithknights don't like them much, either. Chain flails on the rest are fine if you have the points left over.
On the DA Haemonculus, it's really hard for me to tell you to do anything other than go hog wild. Moderation is in order, unfortunately. Of course, no matter what else you take, a webway portal is mandatory. Syndriq's Sump, the Vexator Mask (for pesky big-ballin' characters who think they're going to come roll your DA!), and a flesh gauntlet is probably a sufficient combo, though it's tough to pass on the 3+ with reroll 1's FNP that the Nightmare Doll grants. If you feel crazy and have a spare 35 pts, go for it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/23 01:01:32
Subject: Dark Eldar Wratih-construct ideas
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Lethal Lhamean
Birmingham
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Galef wrote:Is the twin-linked Liquifier on the Talos a good option? I know it normally isn't, but since the Cronos comes with the syphon ( str 3 Ap3) and both will precision deepstrike with the WebWay portal, isn't it a good idea to capitalize on that? Double Flamers that could torch a Marine unit?
I know an issue with it is the str 3, but being twin-linked will give it re-rolls to wound. Is it worth the loss of attack?
Also, what it a good tail weapon option for the Talos?
How do you setup the Haemonculus in the Dark Artisan?
The Talos is a close combat beast and you want to make full use of that, losing an attack is not a good idea.
As for tail weapon, if you think you need some anti-tank I'd go with the Heat Lance, since you're guaranteed to be able to deep strike in within melta range I prefer the chance to one shot a tank rather than strip a singel hull point with the Haywire Blaster. Otherwise I'd stick with the Splinter Cannon.
For the Haemonculus I tend to run him cheap with just a Scissorhands and a Webway Portal, maybe Sindriq's Sump for Rampage. If I'm also running a Corpsthiefe Claw then I drop the WWP and run the DA up behind it with the Haemy as Warlord, much better to have the two formations with 4+ FnP re-rolling one's.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/23 02:15:17
Subject: Dark Eldar Wratih-construct ideas
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Hellish Haemonculus
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I like running a CTC and a DA. A DA warlord gives huge benefits to the other monsters under his command.
Wraithlords, especially the old metal ones (since they are so cheap) make marvelous Talos/Cronos engines once they are a little roughed up with spikes, chains, blades, skulls, and barbed wire.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/23 12:38:42
Subject: Dark Eldar Wratih-construct ideas
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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So for the DA, it seems like you guys don't care about the synergy between the Talos, Cronos and WWP. My idea was to give the Talos the TL Liquifier so that when they drop both pain engines could flame a unit, thereby getting my opponents attention. I want the DA to be a distraction Carnifex, especially since it has my Warlord and will be very slow after the drop. The idea also is that any CC threats to the DA should be softened up by the Venom-spam and Scourges in the CAD I will be running alongside, so the Talos losing 1 attack shouldn't be a big deal since most game I might not get charged. But if you guys think it's a bad idea, then I will most definitely magnetized it for playtesting. I like the Scissorhand Haemi idea. Is the Nightmare doll worth it? It's a lot of points to basically want the Haemi up front. I was thinking of using the Armour of Misery so that I get that extra save before FNP, and the additional minus to LD might come in handy. -
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/23 14:39:49
Subject: Dark Eldar Wratih-construct ideas
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Hellish Haemonculus
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He can't take the DE artifacts, only Covens ones, unfortunately.
I sometimes run a WWP DA, but the Liquifier guns don't synergize with the gun on the Cronos. I prefer running them on foot, wrapped in a CTC, or a large unit infantry (Grots or Wracks) in a pinch.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/23 15:26:58
Subject: Dark Eldar Wratih-construct ideas
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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OK then, I guess this will be my DA:
Haemi w/ WWP & Scissorhand
Talos w/ Heatlance & Chain flail
Cronos w/ Probe
I'd run this as my WL and add a DE CAD for venom spam, scourges & a VSG to protect it all.
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