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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/29 23:20:34
Subject: Quick question about razorbacks
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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With the heavy flamer, how do you measure the template? It seems if you have to shoot something in front, you're missing most of the template and your vehicle is under it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/30 00:00:31
Subject: Quick question about razorbacks
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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The template comes from the weapon itself. The template cannot cross the razorback itself, meaning it has a limited arc of 180 degrees. Ironically, being directly in front of the razorback is one of the safest places to be, as the flamers can't hit you.
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"The undead ogre believes the sack of pies is your parrot, and proceeds to eat them. The pies explode, and so does his head. The way is clear." - Me, DMing what was supposed to be a serious Pathfinder campaign.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/30 00:14:26
Subject: Quick question about razorbacks
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Fixture of Dakka
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Vitali Advenil wrote:The template comes from the weapon itself. The template cannot cross the razorback itself, meaning it has a limited arc of 180 degrees. Ironically, being directly in front of the razorback is one of the safest places to be, as the flamers can't hit you.
I'm pretty sure that vehicles exclude themselves from the AoE of their own template weapons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/30 00:33:28
Subject: Quick question about razorbacks
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I was wondering that, because it doesn't make sense. The turret is 360 and in the center of back half. It'll hit itself no matter what.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/30 00:39:35
Subject: Quick question about razorbacks
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Assassin with Black Lotus Poison
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Wyldhunt wrote: Vitali Advenil wrote:The template comes from the weapon itself. The template cannot cross the razorback itself, meaning it has a limited arc of 180 degrees. Ironically, being directly in front of the razorback is one of the safest places to be, as the flamers can't hit you. I'm pretty sure that vehicles exclude themselves from the AoE of their own template weapons. This. There are no special rules for vehicles firing template weapons, so they just follow the rules in the Template Weapons special rule. This means that the template must be placed such that it touches the most models in the target unit without touching any other friendly models, including in the firing unit. It then also says that a template weapon never hits the model firing it. So your razorback is fine to have the template go over its own hull as the template is only barred from touching other friendly models and the model firing the template is immune to the template.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/30 00:45:04
Subject: Quick question about razorbacks
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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Oh, I must have been thinking of some other model with the 180 degree sponsons. My mistake.
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"The undead ogre believes the sack of pies is your parrot, and proceeds to eat them. The pies explode, and so does his head. The way is clear." - Me, DMing what was supposed to be a serious Pathfinder campaign.
6000 - Death Skulls, Painted
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/30 03:18:11
Subject: Quick question about razorbacks
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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No you are just thinking of direct-fire arc of fire.
A predator blocks its own lascannons from firing through it at a model in front-center, but templat weapons excuse themselves from that restriction.
Of course we really don't have any rules on how a redeemer fires its sponson flamestorms but oh well.
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This is my Rulebook. There are many Like it, but this one is mine. Without me, my rulebook is useless. Without my rulebook, I am useless.
Stop looking for buzz words and start reading the whole sentences.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/30 09:49:36
Subject: Quick question about razorbacks
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Legendary Dogfighter
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BRB pg 173, Template weapons boxout, paragraph 2 wrote:
A template weapon never hits the model firing it.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Kommissar Kel wrote:No you are just thinking of direct-fire arc of fire.
A predator blocks its own lascannons from firing through it at a model in front-center, but templat weapons excuse themselves from that restriction.
Of course we really don't have any rules on how a redeemer fires its sponson flamestorms but oh well.
What is fast becoming my favorite line in the book:
BRB pg 15 column 2 heading "own unit" wrote:
Firing models can always draw line of sight through members of their own unit just as if they were not there.
which contests the position that a model firing is not part of its own unit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/30 10:00:13
Subject: Quick question about razorbacks
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
Ankh Morpork
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The requirement to not touch friendly models only mentions other friendly models. If the template touches the firing model it's irrelevant.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/30 11:01:49
Subject: Quick question about razorbacks
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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It still seems pointless to fire at anything directly in front of the razorback though lol. You're losing like 5" of the template... Well, that's assuming you don't have that nifty Promethium Pipes purchases.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/31 07:08:21
Subject: Quick question about razorbacks
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Legendary Dogfighter
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nintura wrote:It still seems pointless to fire at anything directly in front of the razorback though lol. You're losing like 5" of the template... Well, that's assuming you don't have that nifty Promethium Pipes purchases.
Which, sadly, only work on non-vehicle models.
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Some people find the idea that other people can be happy offensive, and will prefer causing harm to self improvement. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/31 18:08:25
Subject: Quick question about razorbacks
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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malamis wrote: nintura wrote:It still seems pointless to fire at anything directly in front of the razorback though lol. You're losing like 5" of the template... Well, that's assuming you don't have that nifty Promethium Pipes purchases.
Which, sadly, only work on non-vehicle models.
Well....poop. Would have been amazing for Bray'Arth...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/09/02 11:17:05
Subject: Quick question about razorbacks
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Eternally-Stimulated Slaanesh Dreadnought
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The solution is super simple.
Always pivot so your turret is not over the hull.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/09/02 11:32:07
Subject: Quick question about razorbacks
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
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Corennus wrote:The solution is super simple.
Always pivot so your turret is not over the hull.
Alternatively follow the rules which don't consider it an issue in the first place. There is no restriction on placing the template over the firing model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/09/02 12:32:58
Subject: Quick question about razorbacks
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Mr. Shine wrote: Corennus wrote:The solution is super simple.
Always pivot so your turret is not over the hull.
Alternatively follow the rules which don't consider it an issue in the first place. There is no restriction on placing the template over the firing model.
Good thing too, poor Defiler....
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