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I saw that the preorders for Traitor's hate had dropped and with it the pricing of the new stuff. I thought to myself, hey let's check out the new Kharn. Maybe it will be worth the preorder.

I checked the price...

$60 for one miniature.

I mean, seriously? How stupid do GW think we are. What sort of pinheaded moron priced that and though "People are likely to want to pay sixty dollars for one miniature that formerly had a model that sold in the mid 20s".

Do they honestly think $60 is a reasonable price?

Looks at flag.
Oh, you are from NZ. I'm enjoying a nice 35$ kharn model

He is 43 here in canada. On the higher side but not unreasonable. It sucks you have to pay that NZ tax and the Aussie. What tax? Just for being there.

Same with Canada. It's a mere couple of hours drive from the US to Canada and they charge it up a lot over the US version here.

 Gamgee wrote:
He is 43 here in canada. On the higher side but not unreasonable. It sucks you have to pay that NZ tax and the Aussie. What tax? Just for being there.

Same with Canada. It's a mere couple of hours drive from the US to Canada and they charge it up a lot over the US version here.

must be nice to do that, sadly I'm on the island and the only bigger rip off artists then GW in existance is BC Ferries

What amuses me is that Kharn only costs a buck less than a full squad of 12 khorne berserkers here, and actually costs a buck more than a squad of Raptors (who would make great conversion fodder for a kitbash of him).

I'm gonna cling onto my old Kharn for the forseeable future unless he appears in a Start Collecting! box.

I like the new Kharn. I may get him just to have another character model to paint (I don't play CSM and I don't need another army). $35 is a bit rich, so hopefully he will hit eBay at a discount.

I still really like the old Kharn model (which is still available on the web store) and since he is half the price of the new one, I would probably get that one (even though he is in resin not plastic)

BrianDavion wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
He is 43 here in canada. On the higher side but not unreasonable. It sucks you have to pay that NZ tax and the Aussie. What tax? Just for being there.

Same with Canada. It's a mere couple of hours drive from the US to Canada and they charge it up a lot over the US version here.

must be nice to do that, sadly I'm on the island and the only bigger rip off artists then GW in existence is BC Ferries

Oh if I were to go across the boarder and buy it and come back I would be taxed even MORE than ordering it online and then add in travel times and fuel cost of driving. Got to love the over taxation. I seem to be one of the only Canadians I know being hit with so much taxes and levees. You would think I was smuggling in weapons or something. One common thing some people can do is buy and ship to an American company near the border than hire a courier service to bring it up north which is usually cheaper than ordering online depending on deals you can find and what your buying. It's madness. Which only proves my point that everything is over priced in Canada just because they can get away with it.

I find it pretty disgusting myself, same price as a full squad to buy a plastic hero.

So much for roundtree turning things around.

In the UK he costs £22, making him the most expensive Chaos SMed size miniture by a margin. Even some of the Stormcast heroes don't cost that amount. So I'd say keep hold of your old Kharn if you have him, since he seems quite steep for what you get.

 Gamgee wrote:
He is 43 here in canada. On the higher side but not unreasonable. It sucks you have to pay that NZ tax and the Aussie. What tax? Just for being there.

Same with Canada. It's a mere couple of hours drive from the US to Canada and they charge it up a lot over the US version here.

One small plastic mini sold at 43$ is not unreasonable to you????

To me, it seems that nowadays, the only affordable things from GW are the discounted bundle (a la deatwatch or get started kit), every other new release is simply grossly overpriced. And a make a decent amount of $$$, imagine how hard it is to get in the hobby for students or teens.

That's an awful price for one roughly human sized model... HQ's used to be the cheap part of an army

£22 GBP on the UK site. About the same price as a Tactical Marine box. So much for making reasonable prices.

Even if CSM is fixed with thus release, the models are just too expenisve at this range.

And this is why I don't get the positivity about roundtree, he's clearly a false messiah.

Sounds like this winter when I cross the boarder to go fishing I should load the truck up with GW models. The Canadian boarder patrol only ask "do you have any guns?" "How much alcohol and tobacco?" Never do you have any GW models...

I could see the Toronto paper now... Pennsylvania man caught smuggling 1000 plastic toy models across the boarder looking at 10-30 years in the clink.

i'll be getting one
he is my favorite Chaos character, and i like dynamic poses in plastic better than static poses in Finecast...

i understand why a Kiwi would have some serious sticker shock, though...
you guys get screwed even harder than the Aussies :(

cheers
jah

how much is postage to NZ from UK? it might be cheaper to get someone to buy it and send it?

hobojebus wrote:
And this is why I don't get the positivity about roundtree, he's clearly a false messiah.

It's far too early to say either way. There seems to be some positive things happening. But let's face it, this is Games Workshop, they are always going to be overpriced. The day that changes is the day they start having a snowball fight in hell.

I was thinking about the whole pricing thing the other day though. When I got into the hobby back in the 90s it was still expensive, in relative terms. I obviously had a lot less money, being a child. But I see, to remember a box of 10 marines costing around £15, they've gone up to around £22 now I think, that's a price increase of £7 over 20 years. I don't know exact inflation or anything, but it doesn't seem too extreme.

But back in the day, I could go into a GW store and buy myself a model with the change in my pocket. £2.50 would get me a single guy in a blister, a quid more and I might get two space marine scouts or whatever. Fact is, you could get yourself a nice little project for the week with your pocket money. It was a pocket money level hobby that young teens could get into very easily, these blister packs were a nice little gateway drug to the harder stuff of box sets and vehicle kits.

GW simply doesn't have that any more, and I find that a little sad.

Now those little blisters are gone, and a character will set you back £15 in the shop. Now don't get me wrong, I love the plastic range of characters they have been putting out, the sculpts are generally amazing, and usually a joy to paint model and paint. For whatever reason GW decided to switch away from using metal, maybe they decided the price of metals was getting too unstable for their liking during the last financial crash or something *shrugs* whatever.

It's just a shame they seem to have lost that part of their appeal.

As for The Betrayer's pricing, he's a lot cheaper on third party sites, as is everything. He's still pricey, but not breaking that golden £20 barrier...oh and Aussies and Kiwis moaning about GW pricing is becoming almost as prevalent as Sisters players and Chaos players hungrily crying for an updated model line. Write White Dwarf a letter or something, see if they answer

Yeah......I'll keep my metal version, thank you very much. He's served me faithfully for 15+ years.

I refuse to pay $30+ for any of the character packs...of course I'm playing old 2nd edition models, so I just get stuff on eBay for $5. I can't believe people think that $30 for a single small sprue is "reasonable"...at all.

hobojebus wrote:
I find it pretty disgusting myself, same price as a full squad to buy a plastic hero.

So much for roundtree turning things around.

"Oh look, they made start collecting, and BaC and Death Masque, but Kharn being 20 bucks more is too much! Damn you GW!"

 ShieldBrother wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
I find it pretty disgusting myself, same price as a full squad to buy a plastic hero.

So much for roundtree turning things around.

"Oh look, they made start collecting, and BaC and Death Masque, but Kharn being 20 bucks more is too much! Damn you GW!"

Not to mention the improved community outreach, social media presence, etc. I don't get the mentality that a couple of things still being expensive invalidates every positive step they've made lately and somehow makes Rountree a 'false messiah'.

It is a little funny how he ended up costing so much - it's very difficult to see why he costs so much next to other HQ's, which are around the 10-15 pound margin here in the UK.

I think the sculpt is nice, but not good enough to merit paying £22 for. I'm just pleased that we can finally buy the Void Shield Generator model that they stupidly put as an LE model. Give me the Plasma Obliterator too GW, and we can forget about Kharn being £22 mmkay?

G.A

This release is one of the first time I've seen people confuse the Australian flag for the New Zealand one, usually it's the other way around. Quick tip folks: white with a 7 pointed star in the bottom-left corner = AUS, red star lacking a 7 pointed one is NZ.

I'm so glad I'm not sold on the miniature (or even wanted Kharn in the first place) as $60AUD is way too much.

Hell, I'm pretty sure I could get the FW 30k Kharn with its scenic base for cheaper and convert a 40k version from that if I really wanted to...

EDIT: For those wondering, in NZ it's $75NZD.

Hmm, 12 Khorne Bezerkers costs £1 more than Kharn. Imagine how many Kharns you could make out of that, and have guys left over. Do a quick kitbash and voila, you just got 11 Khorne Bezerkers for £1. Sure it won't be as good as the £22 sculpt, but at least you aren't paying larger sums of money for a single guy.

I'd just pay the extra £8 and get the 30k Kharn. Much nicer model.

 General Annoyance wrote:
It is a little funny how he ended up costing so much - it's very difficult to see why he costs so much next to other HQ's, which are around the 10-15 pound margin here in the UK.

I think the sculpt is nice, but not good enough to merit paying £22 for. I'm just pleased that we can finally buy the Void Shield Generator model that they stupidly put as an LE model. Give me the Plasma Obliterator too GW, and we can forget about Kharn being £22 mmkay?

G.A

He's a lot bigger than people seem to grasp.

He's on a 40mm base and seems to use up the space pretty heavily. Additionally, Kharn is a one-off character model. The examples that people have been pointing at as "things being nice and reasonably priced" in the form of the recent Deathwatch character releases likely will not stick around barring the Watch Master.

If you don't like the price of characters don't buy them. None of my characters are the official models because that's more expensive and I hate lots of bling.

 Kanluwen wrote:

He's a lot bigger than people seem to grasp.

He's on a 40mm base and seems to use up the space pretty heavily. Additionally, Kharn is a one-off character model. The examples that people have been pointing at as "things being nice and reasonably priced" in the form of the recent Deathwatch character releases likely will not stick around barring the Watch Master.

Didn't think about that. I certainly just assumed he was on a 32mm base. So then it makes sense his pricing is in line with the Stormcast heroes.

I read that GW prices their stuff so that they can pay off the cost of the mold with the initial production run.
In any case, the price of that mini is probably higher than normal for a plastic character, because they intend to sell fewer. Sadly, that's the type of self-fulfilling prophecy.

While I love GW's boxed set value (especially the standalone games), their very inconsistent pricing is puzzling. This month's white dwarf miniature is sold $30 in the US (while WD is $9). I understand it's free stuff to celebrate the new WD, but how can you sell a miniature $30 and then give it for free when someone buys a $9 item?