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So has it been confirmed that the Blood Angels are finally getting grav cannons and such?

We know we're getting updated Assault Marines and Devestators rules, strongly rumoured to include the option to take Grav Cannons, yes

 Drasius wrote:

 Talys wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

Five Psychic disciplines: Sanguinary, Librarius, Technomancy, Fulmination and Geokinesis

This could be promising.

How so? You've already got sanguinary and the other 4 are the same marine powers that vanilla got in angels of death and then CSM got spiky versions of in traitors hate. Everyone already knows exactly what they are and what they do. In fact, didn't BA, SW, GK and DA get access to the 4 new disciplines when they first came out or am I misremembering?

RAI they did because of the reference card, however there weren't any rules telling you which Psykers from the non-Vanilla Loyalist flavours could actually generate their powers from the 4 disciplines.

So really nothing has changed unless you played strictly RAW.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Drasius wrote:

 Talys wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

Five Psychic disciplines: Sanguinary, Librarius, Technomancy, Fulmination and Geokinesis

This could be promising.

How so? You've already got sanguinary and the other 4 are the same marine powers that vanilla got in angels of death and then CSM got spiky versions of in traitors hate. Everyone already knows exactly what they are and what they do. In fact, didn't BA, SW, GK and DA get access to the 4 new disciplines when they first came out or am I misremembering?

RAI they did because of the reference card, however there weren't any rules telling you which Psykers from the non-Vanilla Loyalist flavours could actually generate their powers from the 4 disciplines.

So really nothing has changed unless you played strictly RAW.

I thought RAW is "As Written"



And it was written on the very deck and also in White dwarf introducing it.

Who doesn't love a good war zone map?
We think they're great.

When the Blood Angels arrive in the Diamor System, the forces of Chaos have already established a solid foothold on several planets. With most of their Chapter still preparing the Baal System for the oncoming advance of Tyranids, can the 1st, 2nd and 5th Companies of the Blood Angels blunt the assault of the traitor vanguard?

 Omega-soul wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Drasius wrote:

 Talys wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

Five Psychic disciplines: Sanguinary, Librarius, Technomancy, Fulmination and Geokinesis

This could be promising.

How so? You've already got sanguinary and the other 4 are the same marine powers that vanilla got in angels of death and then CSM got spiky versions of in traitors hate. Everyone already knows exactly what they are and what they do. In fact, didn't BA, SW, GK and DA get access to the 4 new disciplines when they first came out or am I misremembering?

RAI they did because of the reference card, however there weren't any rules telling you which Psykers from the non-Vanilla Loyalist flavours could actually generate their powers from the 4 disciplines.

So really nothing has changed unless you played strictly RAW.

I thought RAW is "As Written"

Spoiler:

And it was written on the very deck and also in White dwarf introducing it.

The actual 'rule' is in the Angels of Death book and makes no mention of the psychic powers being usable by anyone other than psykers from Codex Space Marines. In the past, GW has stated that the actual rule takes precedence over any references when they contradict. However since this is off topic for this thread, you can continue it in YMDC if you wish...

 Ghaz wrote:


The actual 'rule' is in the Angels of Death book and makes no mention of the psychic powers being usable by anyone other than psykers from Codex Space Marines. In the past, GW has stated that the actual rule takes precedence over any references when they contradict. However since this
is off topic for this thread, you can continue it in YMDC if you wish...

What 'rule' ? The rules are stand-alone - the deck itself IS the rule that comes with reference table - AoD have nothing extensive to that. Moreover New Deck > Angels of Death
Angel of death only specifies that librarians in supplement may use this as well.
It does not forbid anything to other factions

So we have 2 sources that strictly names BA as valid users of new deck and 1 source that states SM among other faction as valid users - I see no conflict with RAW nor RAI


And why this is offtopic?
I thought this powers will be included in supplement - at least they were in limited edition print

I wish they'd bundled the two sets of rules into a single book and had the fluff book lime the normal campaign sets. I'm a little sad they didnt. I love the campaign fluff books.

 reds8n wrote:

Who doesn't love a good war zone map?
We think they're great.

When the Blood Angels arrive in the Diamor System, the forces of Chaos have already established a solid foothold on several planets. With most of their Chapter still preparing the Baal System for the oncoming advance of Tyranids, can the 1st, 2nd and 5th Companies of the Blood Angels blunt the assault of the traitor vanguard?

Who doesn't love creative planet names? Diamond, Apatite, Onyx, Tourmaline, Peridot, Iolite, Topaz, Zircon, Amethyst... Some even have the typical colours.

Well you can only name so many planets New Terra before you get bored and pick something else.....

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well you can only name so many planets New Terra before you get bored and pick something else.....

Well there is still numerals and colors like - Red Amethyst 4)

Goin back to psycic powers, I was under the impression that BA couldn't use pyromancy. I was using a psyker and on the card it said that BA were the only ones that couldn't use it. I even checked with the manager and he said base th opinion of the newest publication.

It's a topic that you can argue til your blue in the face if you wish. Yes, a card says that Blood Angels can use Geokinesis. So sure, the discipline is available to the faction.

But none of the units in the codex say they can pull from them. For instance, Mephiston says you can generate two powers from Sanguinary, Biomancy, Daemonology, Divination and Pyromancy.

The card doesn't have Sanguinary in there.

So does that mean Mephiston gets all the indicated disciplines PLUS Sanguinary, or that if you use the Angels of Death rules, you get rid of Sanguinary? How about all the other psykers? Etc.

Most friendly games will let you pull from any of the disciplines. But then again, most friendly games will let you play a centurion or grav cannon if you want too.

Omega-soul wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:


The actual 'rule' is in the Angels of Death book and makes no mention of the psychic powers being usable by anyone other than psykers from Codex Space Marines. In the past, GW has stated that the actual rule takes precedence over any references when they contradict. However since this
is off topic for this thread, you can continue it in YMDC if you wish...

What 'rule' ? The rules are stand-alone - the deck itself IS the rule that comes with reference table - AoD have nothing extensive to that. Moreover New Deck > Angels of Death
Angel of death only specifies that librarians in supplement may use this as well.
It does not forbid anything to other factions

So we have 2 sources that strictly names BA as valid users of new deck and 1 source that states SM among other faction as valid users - I see no conflict with RAW nor RAI


And why this is offtopic?
I thought this powers will be included in supplement - at least they were in limited edition print

Using a White Dwarf to support your answer? As a Tyranid player I can tell you how WRONG White Dwarf get's their rules. I clearly remember WD telling Nid and Chaos players could use Imperial Knights before they were released. We all know how that turned out to be, or how Genestealer Cult are Battlebrothers with Nids, and we all know how that turned out.

@Davor - yeah, Genestealer Cult "as Tyranid Faction" was a pretty epic burn

 Talys wrote:
It's a topic that you can argue til your blue in the face if you wish.
But none of the units in the codex say they can pull from them.

As if it's only was a 1988 and there was only one verified source of rules.
But it's 2016 and using that kind of logic we couldn't use so many stuff that is outside of the codex (poor CSM sorcerers - they don't even know the daemonology)
Not to mention the FAQ and all the other sources.
But yeah why not pretend like it's 88s.

What else can verify the officiality of the rules? Personal phone-call from Phill Kelly? Dinner with Jervis Johnson?)

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 reds8n wrote:

Who doesn't love a good war zone map?
We think they're great.

When the Blood Angels arrive in the Diamor System, the forces of Chaos have already established a solid foothold on several planets. With most of their Chapter still preparing the Baal System for the oncoming advance of Tyranids, can the 1st, 2nd and 5th Companies of the Blood Angels blunt the assault of the traitor vanguard?

Who doesn't love creative planet names? Diamond, Apatite, Onyx, Tourmaline, Peridot, Iolite, Topaz, Zircon, Amethyst... Some even have the typical colours.

Will there also be a planet named Steven?

 Omega-soul wrote:

 Talys wrote:
It's a topic that you can argue til your blue in the face if you wish.
But none of the units in the codex say they can pull from them.

As if it's only was a 1988 and there was only one verified source of rules.
But it's 2016 and using that kind of logic we couldn't use so many stuff that is outside of the codex (poor CSM sorcerers - they don't even know the daemonology)
Not to mention the FAQ and all the other sources.
But yeah why not pretend like it's 88s.

What else can verify the officiality of the rules? Personal phone-call from Phill Kelly? Dinner with Jervis Johnson?)

The point is that the reference card only lists factions and whether or not they have access to a discipline. It doesnt tell you any model which uses the new disciplines. Do all Grey Knights get access? Not all psykers in a Codex have equal access to the older disciplines, too - even though the ref card say that 'the faction' does. There are factions that dont have a single model that could access a discipline listed for them.
Point me to a rule that says your psyker model may access the new disciplines like AoD does for all Space Marine psykers. If you can't, it doesnt have access.

Can we not with this psychic power thing in this thread? I see 2+ pages of new posts and think formation rules might be leaked or something and instead it's an old, re-hashed YMDC topic that needs to go to YMDC, not News & Rumors.

 Malika2 wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 reds8n wrote:

Who doesn't love a good war zone map?
We think they're great.

When the Blood Angels arrive in the Diamor System, the forces of Chaos have already established a solid foothold on several planets. With most of their Chapter still preparing the Baal System for the oncoming advance of Tyranids, can the 1st, 2nd and 5th Companies of the Blood Angels blunt the assault of the traitor vanguard?

Who doesn't love creative planet names? Diamond, Apatite, Onyx, Tourmaline, Peridot, Iolite, Topaz, Zircon, Amethyst... Some even have the typical colours.

Will there also be a planet named Steven?

Not in this war zone, it would be too obvious. It will appear in the Sugsubstia zone along with Saccharia, Aspartomus, Cycloriam and Sucralor were the Eldar fight off obese Nurgle worshippers.

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Mmh, okay. The naming isn't that bad. Most people don't know half of the minerals (it's not common knowledge) and if they find out they'd have learned something. It's not like I didn't learn new things from 40k....

nekooni wrote:

 Omega-soul wrote:

 Talys wrote:
It's a topic that you can argue til your blue in the face if you wish.
But none of the units in the codex say they can pull from them.

As if it's only was a 1988 and there was only one verified source of rules.
But it's 2016 and using that kind of logic we couldn't use so many stuff that is outside of the codex (poor CSM sorcerers - they don't even know the daemonology)
Not to mention the FAQ and all the other sources.
But yeah why not pretend like it's 88s.

What else can verify the officiality of the rules? Personal phone-call from Phill Kelly? Dinner with Jervis Johnson?)

The point is that the reference card only lists factions and whether or not they have access to a discipline. It doesnt tell you any model which uses the new disciplines. Do all Grey Knights get access? Not all psykers in a Codex have equal access to the older disciplines, too - even though the ref card say that 'the faction' does. There are factions that dont have a single model that could access a discipline listed for them.
Point me to a rule that says your psyker model may access the new disciplines like AoD does for all Space Marine psykers. If you can't, it doesnt have access.

Yes, thank you -- that was exactly my point.

And the card, notably, has no Sanguinary discipline. Maybe it's for some future models. Maybe it's for future datasheets that have other balancing factors (like stats or points, or maybe they're going to get rid of Sanguinary). Maybe it's just for some as-yet printed datahseets. Or just a single hero that's down the line.

Keep in mind, I initially said that this was a promising sign (that there were meaningful changes) -- a jibe at my own previous post, where I had joked with someone about the ultimate troll codex being 40+ datasheets that are unchanged from the old ones I did not think I was being controversial, LOL.

My gut feelings are that Blood Angel Devastators are going to be allowed to take Heavy Flamers to be in line with Tacticals being allowed to take one HF - still lets them charge. Keeps it in line with the Grav Cannon upgrade that vanilla and DA got for their Tacticals and Devastators. Right? Right?

Assault Marines will probably just be allowed to be taken as troops, failing that they'll pay full price for Rhinos (except in BA Gladius) and possibly an Evisecerator for 5.

The formation pictures look kind of cool I guess. Now you just need some good rules for them

 Frozocrone wrote:
My gut feelings are that Blood Angel Devastators are going to be allowed to take Heavy Flamers to be in line with Tacticals being allowed to take one HF - still lets them charge. Keeps it in line with the Grav Cannon upgrade that vanilla and DA got for their Tacticals and Devastators. Right? Right?

Assault Marines will probably just be allowed to be taken as troops, failing that they'll pay full price for Rhinos (except in BA Gladius) and possibly an Evisecerator for 5.

The formation pictures look kind of cool I guess. Now you just need some good rules for them

Not likely. I am guessing that the revised Wargear list will have Grav Cannons under the Heavy Weapons section, allowing both Tactical Squads and Devastator Squads to take them. I would be okay with Assault Marine Troops, for sure. I really just want Assault out of Deep Strike. Should have been an army wide rule from the get go.


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Rules Leaks from 4chan (take them as you will)

Sanguine Council
>Harness Sanguine on 3+, council shares Blessings that target the Psyker specifically

>Archcangels Orbital Intervention Force
>shoot twice or charge after deep strike as long as you don't scatter, Objective Secured

If that's true GW might soon have a shortage of Blood Angel Terminator kits

Orbital Intervention Force seems to have changed then. Before you could run and shoot.

Might be interesting with the 3 Stormraven formation if its true.

I like that cavate about charging after deepstrike if true. I would prefer to leave the heavy flamer squad to the Sister players though. Got to have some uniqueness to each army.

 Frozocrone wrote:
Orbital Intervention Force seems to have changed then. Before you could run and shoot.

Might be interesting with the 3 Stormraven formation if its true.

It would work great paired with some Drop Pods with Locator beacons. Turn 1, put down the drop pods, turn 2 put down the Terminators and charge.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:
Orbital Intervention Force seems to have changed then. Before you could run and shoot.

Might be interesting with the 3 Stormraven formation if its true.

It would work great paired with some Drop Pods with Locator beacons. Turn 1, put down the drop pods, turn 2 put down the Terminators and charge.

Throw a Sanguinary Priest in one squad for the +1WS, and a Chaplain in another for re-rolls to hit on the charge. Terminators could finally be fun again.

If that Sanguine Council stuff is true, assuming three Psykers, you take Mephiston with Sanguinary, one Librarian with Biomancy and one with Electromancy then let the good times roll as Mephiston becomes a complete monster with all those shared Blessings

diepotato47 wrote:
If that Sanguine Council stuff is true, assuming three Psykers, you take Mephiston with Sanguinary, one Librarian with Biomancy and one with Electromancy then let the good times roll as Mephiston becomes a complete monster with all those shared Blessings

Actually, taking Librarius might be better than Biomancy. Veil of Time and/or Might of Heroes would be nuts. But Endurance and Iron Arm would be crazy as well. Especially if any of those powers get combined with Quickening.