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There was a situation in our last game where a csm player assaulted a squad of sororitas with his possessed, issued a challenge that got declined and than, as all the regular possessed and possessed champion have exact same attack stats, proceeded to roll all attacks at once wiping the squad of sisters containing 1 character. But how to determine if his character killed mine? Should this attacks be rolled as if they had different characteristics and than he'd decide which pool i have to save first - if he chooses wounds from regular possessed, i'll just allocate them to a character and he'll get no boons. If he chooses possessed champion pool, i'll just allocate them to regular sisters first and he'll get no boon. If he rolls all at once, it's indistinguishable who killed the character.

You have to roll the character seperate, its the only way

Doesn't the Champion of Chaos rule cover situations where an enemy character dies from multiple Wounds caused by a model with the Champion of Chaos and others being allocated to it simultaneously?

 Mr. Shine wrote:
Doesn't the Champion of Chaos rule cover situations where an enemy character dies from multiple Wounds caused by a model with the Champion of Chaos and others being allocated to it simultaneously?

Of course it doesn't

The Possessed Champion technically has a different set of rules (in the entry it's noted he alone has the Champion of Chaos rule), hence his attacks should have been rolled separately and allocated separately. It's like shooting a tri-las pred's cannons at the same guy and randomly deciding the only one that missed is the "twin linked" one.

It's not exactly cheating but for the CSM player, it's a "tough cookies" moment and he doesn't get the benefit; unless he completely redo that combat there's no way to know if the model with the rule actually had a wound allocated to the killed character.

 koooaei wrote:

 Mr. Shine wrote:
Doesn't the Champion of Chaos rule cover situations where an enemy character dies from multiple Wounds caused by a model with the Champion of Chaos and others being allocated to it simultaneously?

Of course it doesn't

I'm quite certain it does.

Champion of Chaos: A Model with this rule must issue and accept challenges. Where there are multiple models with this rule, the controlling player may decide. Whenever a model with this rule kills a character, roll a D66 and consult the Chaos Boon chart. This boon remains for the rest of the game.

Where there are characters that decline challenges, get screwed?..

Read the last two sentences of the rule. It might not specifically help in this case, but at least you only need to know your Champion of Chaos model was one of the models involved, rather than specifically removing the last Wound.

 Mr. Shine wrote:
Read the last two sentences of the rule. It might not specifically help in this case, but at least you only need to know your Champion of Chaos model was one of the models involved, rather than specifically removing the last Wound.

Nowhere this is said.

"If an enemy character dies as a result of multiple Wounds being allocated to it simultaneously, and one of more of those Wounds were caused by the champion, that champion still rolls on the Chaos Boon table."

Yep but how do you determine if a character inflicted any wounds without rolling him separately? And if you roll him separately, that's another pool.

 koooaei wrote:
Yep but how do you determine if a character inflicted any wounds without rolling him separately? And if you roll him separately, that's another pool.

 Mr. Shine wrote:
It might not specifically help in this case, but at least you only need to know your Champion of Chaos model was one of the models involved, rather than specifically removing the last Wound.

Well, if we assume that you can roll the character separately and than still push those wounds into the same pool, than yep...but can you do it?

"All Wounds with exactly the same Strength, AP value and special rules must go into the same pool. If all the Wounds are the same, there will be only one Wound pool."

There's no difference in the actual wounds themselves between those from the normal guys and the champ so I think the above would apply. The CoC rule is concerned with who dealt the wounds but that doesn't alter the type of wounds dealt by the champ at all. If, for example, the champ had rending wounds then these would definitely go in a separate pool.

 Tonberry7 wrote:
"All Wounds with exactly the same Strength, AP value and special rules must go into the same pool. If all the Wounds are the same, there will be only one Wound pool."

There's no difference in the actual wounds themselves between those from the normal guys and the champ so I think the above would apply. The CoC rule is concerned with who dealt the wounds but that doesn't alter the type of wounds dealt by the champ at all. If, for example, the champ had rending wounds then these would definitely go in a separate pool.

does the Champion of Chaos count as a special rule that applies to a wound? =)

Strictly speaking, no, I don't think so. a) The CoC rule doesn't mention wounds, and b) any wounds inflicted by a model with the CoC rule do not necessarily kill the target model.

 Tonberry7 wrote:
Strictly speaking, no, I don't think so. a) The CoC rule doesn't mention wounds

"...and one of more of those Wounds were caused by the champion"

 koooaei wrote:

 Tonberry7 wrote:
Strictly speaking, no, I don't think so. a) The CoC rule doesn't mention wounds

"...and one of more of those Wounds were caused by the champion"

Sorry I didn't read the full text. But yes immediately after the bit you quote it says to still roll on the boon table. The actual wounds from the champ and the normal guys are the same so you resolve them simultaneously