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While still being bound. I have the following models:

10 Wulfen (TH/SS)
5 Scouts (SR/CC)
1 Dreadnought (BA Librarian, Melta)
5 Librarians (Storm Bolter, 2 Staves, 3 Swords)
1 Terminator Librarian (Staff)
5 GK Terminators (4 Halberds, 1 Hammer)
1 Dreadknight (Psycannon, Incinerator, Hammer)
20 Skitarii Vanguard
2 Drop Pods
10 Devastators (4 Grav, 4 Multi-Melta)
5 Sicarian Infiltrators (Flechette Blasters/Taser Goads)
5 Deathwing Knights
2 Interrogator Chaplins (Lightning Claw/Terminator Armour/Storm Shield)
5 Assault Marines (Combat Shield/Eviscerator on the Sarge)
4 Assassins (1 of each type)

And a good stock of Chaos models I can easily proxy as Imperium of Man forces. (For instance, I use Plague Marines as Assault Marines for a Skyhammer Annihilation Force.)

The issue is, I'm winning games too hard. The last game I played, I wiped out 6/7ths of a Tryanid players synapse on turn one, wiped out 80% of his hoards, and was looking at a turn two tabling, as well as winning in objectives.

So, while staying bound, how can I make myself weaker?

Not meaning to be rude, and ruin your stealth-brag thread... but are your opponents particularly terrible at 40k? In all sincerity, you don't exactly list top-tier, powerful units that should be floor-wiping your opponents away.

Also, are you playing some weird, unbound 40k? What size games? Your collection is ALL over the place, and in some cases, I can't even make legal allied detachments with them.

What kinda a army...

That's 5-6 codex of units.

Wolves
Marines
Skitari
Dark angles
Assains
Grey knights

I mean... Several of those armies lack hq, and troops....

The normal list you always use, but everything is in reserves. Evertying. That way you automatically lose on turn 1. Sounds pretty weak to me.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Not meaning to be rude, and ruin your stealth-brag thread... but are your opponents particularly terrible at 40k? In all sincerity, you don't exactly list top-tier, powerful units that should be floor-wiping your opponents away.

Also, are you playing some weird, unbound 40k? What size games? Your collection is ALL over the place, and in some cases, I can't even make legal allied detachments with them.

I run in a pretty casual meta. In a tournament, I'd get my socks rocked hardcore.

But for my meta, I'm the local cheese machine.

As for how I stay bound, lots of random formations.

Edit: Okay, at my computer now. I usually run combinations of the following:

Nemesis Strike Force
Wulfen Murderpack
Skitarii Battle Maniple (or whatever their basic formation is)
Flesh Tearers' Strike Force
That Dark Angels Formation of 1+ HQs and 2+ Elites
Skyhammer Annihilation Force (Proxying in some extra Assault Marines)
Librarius Conclave
Assassins to taste
And occassionally an allied detachment.

Also, I really did not mean this to come off as a stealthbrag. Looking at it... Yeah, it definitely looks that way, but as was pointed out, this is NOT a tournament level list. This is for my local, highly casual GW.

Generally speaking, formations tend to be better than combined arms detachments because they let you take all of the fun stuff without the "tax" units.

The weakness of formations tends to be scoring in one manner or another. Since you don't have objective: secured, an army that does will be able to take objectives more easily, and you will struggle to do so.

Something that I do when I play someone who would have a difficult time against my list is adjust the mission. Intentionally play something that is tough for your army. Examples:

Are you an assault army? Deploy in hammer and anvil
Are you a shooty army? Put a bunch of objectives in no-man's land
Are you a tough army that should last until late game? Play a mission that has a lot of early objectives/maelstrom (scored every turn)
Are you an army that does well early but struggles late? Play eternal war missions (which are scored at the end of the game)

In short, there are a lot of ways to stack the deck against yourself that still allow you to have fun and use the models that you like.

Proxy your wulfen as possessed and terminators as mutilators.Dreadknight as a footslogging daemon prince. Bam! Problem solved.

What are they running in your local meta? Scout marines in vindicators? Close combat Tau? Orks in general? Jesus I am seeing zero synergy with your troops. Let alone seeing a battle forged list.

But if you want to make yourself weaker when you run your librarians run them with reasonably weak units like scout marines and roll on telekenesis and pyromancy. The powers there arent spectacular. But can be pretty fun, especially visualising your librarians crushing marines and tanks with telekenesis.

Throw in a dreadnaught and some marines in a CAD and your golden. No formations just in case those CC Tau cant handle the free metal bauxes. Anything but scary metal bauxes!

You stated that you have a 'good stock' of chaos models.
Which chaos models do you own?
I can help you make a weak chaos list without even trying.

 Chaos Legionnaire wrote:
You stated that you have a 'good stock' of chaos models.
Which chaos models do you own?
I can help you make a weak chaos list without even trying.

Well, let's see, for Chaos, I have...

10 Marines (2 Meltas-usually used as Plague Marines)
3 Spawn
Typhus
35 Cultists/Zombies
Around 40 Plaguebearers
Around 25 Nurglings
4 Winged Daemon Princes
6 Plague Drones
2? I think Terminator Lords/Sorcerers
1 Biker Lord/Sorcerer
5 Furies
2 Heralds of Nurgle (One on Palanquin)

Try this:

Thousand Sons theme.

Terminator Sorcerer -Mark of Tzeentch, force staff, level 3, vet

Terminator Sorcerer -same

Proxy your CSM as Thousand Sons

35 cultists- Mark of Tzeentch

Proxy your death wing knights as Chaos Termis w/ Mark of Tzeemtch w/power mauls

3x Spawn- Mark of Tzeentch

Dreadnought


That's around 1300 points(ish) depending on your war gear.

That ought to do it.


Join one sorcerer to the sons, the other one to the terminators. With some lucky powers you might even give the appearance of being competitive (at least to an extremely casual opponent.)
But, you'll still lose.
If your opponents lose to this, I'm pretty sure the problem isn't you.

 Chaos Legionnaire wrote:
Try this:

Thousand Sons theme.

Terminator Sorcerer -Mark of Tzeentch, force staff, level 3, vet

Terminator Sorcerer -same

Proxy your CSM as Thousand Sons

35 cultists- Mark of Tzeentch

Proxy your death wing knights as Chaos Termis w/ Mark of Tzeemtch w/power mauls

3x Spawn- Mark of Tzeentch

Dreadnought


That's around 1300 points(ish) depending on your war gear.

That ought to do it.

Oh god... That physically hurts me to read.

If/when people ask me for an easier game, I'll definitely do that. Thanks!

 koooaei wrote:
Proxy your wulfen as possessed and terminators as mutilators.Dreadknight as a footslogging daemon prince. Bam! Problem solved.

Lol, this!