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I am starting this as just a brainstorm of what makes the newer dreadnought lists so good, and can orks do the same?
now im just gonna sum up my thoughts on the matter with what i understand and my own speculations.
-the new dread armies seem to be fairly recent, and the reason i think is the competitive scene has focused less on high strength weapons and more on high rate of fire weapons. the sm dreadnought thrives in this with its 12front armour being just barely touched by this (scatbikes still only glance on 6s). it seems lik the meta is shifted to combating mcs, and this makes the dreadnaughts shine against the common list
-what does this mean for ork walkers, and i mean specifically the deffdredd and the megadredd? they are at least 12front, makeing them harder to glance or pen. they are cheap and with the manipulation of the fw dreddmob can be fielded in large numbers.
-im not including killa kans because their base armour is still susceptible to mid strength weapons
-im also not including gmorkanausts since they are just too expensive, a mega dredd is better for its price range in my opinion

am i looking at his wrong? do sm dreads bring something that other armies with dread equivalents cant?

They bring I4 which is why my dreads rarely see the light of day. Against other dreads or a few MCs the ork walkers just give them consolidation movement. I do use the orkanaughts because the av13 is great. Its look at the opposing army and kill the 5-10 models that can actually scratch you. Sometimes it fails miserable other times it stomps everything. I think the rise in SM dreads will mean you see even less of ours due to the fact that we barely have more attacks than theirs now and they go first.


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With the FW dread mob you may be able to make it work though. I only have 5 dreads so I haven't tried it very much yet.

Orkanauts are lovely things - it's just a shame they're so bloody slow.

But yes, the big problem is initiative. Plus, Astartes now have access to the AV13, 5++ contemptor dreadnought, which is a right bugger to hurt at range - and the Leviathan, which is even worse.

Yeah all this just makes Ork walkers comparatively far worse, and if people are bringing more walkers it means people bringing more weapons to combat them. This is bad news for Deff Dreads. No attacks buff to compensate for SM dreads was pretty insulting really, it's one small reason among many that have slowly accumulated that I'm feeling a bit turned off my Orks right now.

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Yeah all this just makes Ork walkers comparatively far worse, and if people are bringing more walkers it means people bringing more weapons to combat them. This is bad news for Deff Dreads. No attacks buff to compensate for SM dreads was pretty insulting really, it's one small reason among many that have slowly accumulated that I'm feeling a bit turned off my Orks right now.

I am in the same boat, not using my orks that much. The only work good in One Page 40K

I still use mine frequently but i typically play just to have a good time and my tournament lists are gimmicky. Now I just need to convert the 17 shokk attack guns for the one 1850 list. The current list uses 5 orkanauts and the discount stompa. If things go well then you are invincible turn 2 onwards. If they have deep striking melta and you can't make kff saves then they keep rolling explodes results it goes very poorly. It makes eldar cry though unless they actually brought lots of deep striking wraithguard.

How about the mega dredd, it's av13, and a 5 up invul. Yeah, it's not good in melee, but the killkanon it comes with is ded killy, and it can replace it's bigshootas for skorchas for free, it even can replace it's klaw for a supa skorcha for free. Turn it into a flame dredd for decent damage at 24 and brutal dmage at template range with tremendous overwatch. With grots for troop, and bike meks for repairs (and a mff), you can bring 6 in a list with defkoptas for objective grabbing.

When did dreds become meta? I missed that news 0_0.

The av13 would help a lot. Sadly I have no experience with one so I can't give you a definitive answer.

When did dreadnoughts become competitive?