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Hey guys I was wondering about opinions on different knights in the War Convo list. I know the crusader is almost always taken. I was wondering how people felt about the FW knights like the Atrapos, or more interestingly the knight Archeron.

FW Knights tend to not be as cost-effective as the Crusader, the balance between cost efficient and too expensive is a fine line and the Atrapos is generally considered to be too expensive for what it is. When you're dealing with things like ITC Tournaments and tournament-grade lists, everything has to be min-maxed to an extreme. I've seen the Atrapos fielded with the War Convo and I am not convinced that it would do better than a standard double-standard-knight list.

I've seen an Atropos and Warden fielded with a War Convocation and it is incredibly effective. The Atropos's ability to reduce the str of incoming ranged attacks mitiages a ton of things that Knights are usually scared of.

Str7 direct hits and str8 blasts and lower can't do anything to an Atropos (like Broadsides or Ion Riptides). It eliminates in incredible amount of options the enemy has.

Then you put the Warden behind the Atropos as you move up the field. Now with Shroudpsalm your Warden is getting a 2+ cover save because of the Atropos in front of him. You are going to get a Turn 2 charge off and there is practically nothing the enemy can do about it if the War Convo gets first turn.

Atropos is amazing in a double knight War Convo list and I'd always take it.

Heldericht wrote:
I've seen an Atropos and Warden fielded with a War Convocation and it is incredibly effective. The Atropos's ability to reduce the str of incoming ranged attacks mitiages a ton of things that Knights are usually scared of.

Str7 direct hits and str8 blasts and lower can't do anything to an Atropos (like Broadsides or Ion Riptides). It eliminates in incredible amount of options the enemy has.

Then you put the Warden behind the Atropos as you move up the field. Now with Shroudpsalm your Warden is getting a 2+ cover save because of the Atropos in front of him. You are going to get a Turn 2 charge off and there is practically nothing the enemy can do about it if the War Convo gets first turn.

Atropos is amazing in a double knight War Convo list and I'd always take it.

don't even need to take a double list! You can bring the atrapos as a LoW for the cult mechanicus detachment in the formation and the warden as the knight in the household detachment! at least I think? never looked at the mechanicus detachment before >.>

Heldericht wrote:
I've seen an Atropos and Warden fielded with a War Convocation and it is incredibly effective. The Atropos's ability to reduce the str of incoming ranged attacks mitiages a ton of things that Knights are usually scared of.

Str7 direct hits and str8 blasts and lower can't do anything to an Atropos (like Broadsides or Ion Riptides). It eliminates in incredible amount of options the enemy has.

Then you put the Warden behind the Atropos as you move up the field. Now with Shroudpsalm your Warden is getting a 2+ cover save because of the Atropos in front of him. You are going to get a Turn 2 charge off and there is practically nothing the enemy can do about it if the War Convo gets first turn.

Atropos is amazing in a double knight War Convo list and I'd always take it.

You can't fit an Atrapos and a Warden into 1850 points for WarConvo. It's 5 points over even if you take the rest of the formation bare bones. You can take an Errant.

 ultimentra wrote:

Heldericht wrote:
I've seen an Atropos and Warden fielded with a War Convocation and it is incredibly effective. The Atropos's ability to reduce the str of incoming ranged attacks mitiages a ton of things that Knights are usually scared of.

Str7 direct hits and str8 blasts and lower can't do anything to an Atropos (like Broadsides or Ion Riptides). It eliminates in incredible amount of options the enemy has.

Then you put the Warden behind the Atropos as you move up the field. Now with Shroudpsalm your Warden is getting a 2+ cover save because of the Atropos in front of him. You are going to get a Turn 2 charge off and there is practically nothing the enemy can do about it if the War Convo gets first turn.

Atropos is amazing in a double knight War Convo list and I'd always take it.

You can't fit an Atrapos and a Warden into 1850 points for WarConvo. It's 5 points over even if you take the rest of the formation bare bones. You can take an Errant.

The guy with the Avenger Gatling and a d melee weapon. If that's the Errant then yes. I'm not super familiar with the codex knights names.

I prefer the crusader most of the time. D CC Warden is nice but the knight is already S10 and there is usually enough grav and haywire in a war convo to deal with any superheavies and Gargantuans. Plus the extra shooting comes in handy more often than not in my opinion. You can sit back more so and use the canticles to help defend and move away from any threats that may arise.

That Knight that automatically hits in assault is a good counter to Invisibility.

The Cerastus Knight-Castigator Automatically hits all models in base contact once at Initiative 2.
The "Downside" is that its sword is only S10 AP2 with Deflagrate.
It also has a 36" S7 AP3 Heavy 8 Bolt Cannon so it is a lot like a Warden which is better in melee against Infantry.
It costs 380 points 5 more than a Warden.

skycapt44 wrote:
I prefer the crusader most of the time. D CC Warden is nice but the knight is already S10 and there is usually enough grav and haywire in a war convo to deal with any superheavies and Gargantuans. Plus the extra shooting comes in handy more often than not in my opinion. You can sit back more so and use the canticles to help defend and move away from any threats that may arise.

I've almost always seen anyone who uses a crusader just park it in the back. Usually getting cornered. It being S10 is basically an aesthetic. I've never actually used one, but I feel I'd do the same. Even a lot of paladins can get sucked into the ranged game while ignoring their massive destroyer sword and good CC stats to boot. Personally, I use the gallant often and, more recently, the errant. I'll probably try the warden at some point. The gallant has never steered me wrong. In my experience, in the war convo, he gets across the table pretty easily. The gauntlet can be pretty underwhelming. I think I've had 2 games out of a bunch that I threw stuff. Maybe once I took a wound off a Nid? In a nut shell, that's why I moved to an errant. A giant melta of doom sledge to wreck 2+s and transports while keeping the at initiative D wep. IMO the knight makes an outstanding distraction and threat up close for an entire army of great mid ranged firepower that needs a turn to get in position.

I have zero experience with any FW knights.

 ultimentra wrote:

Heldericht wrote:
I've seen an Atropos and Warden fielded with a War Convocation and it is incredibly effective. The Atropos's ability to reduce the str of incoming ranged attacks mitiages a ton of things that Knights are usually scared of.

Str7 direct hits and str8 blasts and lower can't do anything to an Atropos (like Broadsides or Ion Riptides). It eliminates in incredible amount of options the enemy has.

Then you put the Warden behind the Atropos as you move up the field. Now with Shroudpsalm your Warden is getting a 2+ cover save because of the Atropos in front of him. You are going to get a Turn 2 charge off and there is practically nothing the enemy can do about it if the War Convo gets first turn.

Atropos is amazing in a double knight War Convo list and I'd always take it.

You can't fit an Atrapos and a Warden into 1850 points for WarConvo. It's 5 points over even if you take the rest of the formation bare bones. You can take an Errant.

You absolutely can take a Warden, you just need to bring a Dragoon instead of a Balistarii, and it's so worth it over the Errant. I know because Heldericht is talking about my list Actually, thinking about it, the Castigator would also fit.... but the extra missiles and melta gun on the warden is just awesome.

The durability of the Atrapos and Magaera makes me love them.