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There is absolutely nothing wrong with the price unless your buying it directly from GW and paying shipping.

Frontline gaming 4x4 mat is 75$
GW mat with typical online discount (20-25% off) is $61-$68.

This mat is much better quality as well. Double stitches edging means no more fraying mat edges. Higher quality neoprene means easier to iron without warping.

So the game workshop mat is both better quality and cheaper. You guys are just complaining because you feel you need to because there is absolutely nothing wrong with this mat unless you didn't want a mat with as much detail.

gungo wrote:
You guys are just complaining because you feel you need to because there is absolutely nothing wrong with this mat unless you didn't want a mat with as much detail.

I don't feel a need to complain about GW products, like you feel the need to point out people who do. Quality isn't the problem - it's more the size and the actual design on it, which I'm not a fan of at all.

I very rarely have a complaint about the quality of GW products, but I'm struggling to see this blowaway detail that the mat offers.

 General Annoyance wrote:

gungo wrote:
You guys are just complaining because you feel you need to because there is absolutely nothing wrong with this mat unless you didn't want a mat with as much detail.

I don't feel a need to complain about GW products, like you feel the need to point out people who do. Quality isn't the problem - it's more the size and the actual design on it, which I'm not a fan of at all.

I very rarely have a complaint about the quality of GW products, but I'm struggling to see this blowaway detail that the mat offers.

As I said there is nothing to complain about unless you don't want as much detail. The size is a typical 40k mat offering. I don't own any 4x4 neoprene myself either but every mat company offers 4x4 as well. I'm not saying you should buy it. I'm saying there is nothing wrong with the quality, price, size, or design. It's well worth the cost compared to any other mat companies similar offering.

gungo wrote:

As I said there is nothing to complain about unless you don't want as much detail.

Where is this detail though? The design looks weird the moment models are placed onto it; obviously it's a limitation of the mat, but the areas on the mat that they're trying to convey as having height or dimensions to them look very odd indeed, and adding buildings and models to the mat doesn't seem to help cover that up either.

Unless I missed it, nobody has said that there is a problem with the quality of the mat itself. It's been a question of size and design, size being the issue because only Kill Team players want an area as small as 4x4, and design for the reason above.

Yep, if the entire mat was the muddy texture and maybe one tier of foundations it would be OK - but only OK, because it's too pricey and because 4x4 is hardly ideal for 40k - but the choice to include parts of the design that are obviously meant to have height (ramps etc) makes it pretty unattractive.

This place has some nice mats. I rather like this one. http://www.tinywargames.co.uk/online-store/!/FG02-4x4-feet/p/66613285/category%3D0

I think the mat texture design is based on some older Confrontation artwork and is meant to depict the muddy ash desert around a Hive city with some streets leading through it. Not sure if these are sun/moon reflections but that's water and not lava. I cannot link to a higher-res pic atm but this isn't a bridge either. Which was my first impression it would be but it doesnt look like on closer inspection.

If it was a more neutral colour/texture (just like mud/rubble), I'd be all over this. If anything, I feel like the excessive detail on this is just going to discourage people from using enough scenery.

Love the matt, I hope they release some cool ones for AoS. Like swamps, forests and the sort.

Some excellent images there

I know the official line is the mat is mud, but having studied a few volcanoes in my time, I can tell you that lava is not this homogenous thing it can vary. With imagination, it could pass as ash waste and lava.

Years ago, we would have given our right arms for a mat like this.

Yes, use it as lava. It fits too I was wondering what GW did there and this looks more like the periphery of a city - unlike the city fight board which they released a while ago.

Put me in the boat that hopes this is just the first mat that GW produces with more designs and sizes to follow. Although I wonder where this would leave the RoB tiles. The last two sets have some nice sculpted details but there also very flat. 3D terrain is IMO one of the big advantages of hard tiles over the cheaper mats. If GW do expand there range of battle mats I could see them dropping the RoB tiles.

This just popped. A Khorne Dominion battlemat. From Warhammer-TV fb:

https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerTVteam/videos/260817424313243/

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I haven't got a problem with the price, as from a discounter it would end up cheaper than something from Urbanmatz or similar. I do however find it inexplicable that a 40K mat hasn't been produced in the standard size for a 40k game. Mats can be folded over, or a section ruled off for smaller games. In addition it is far too game/scenario specific for me to buy for the sci-fi games I play [Infinity and Necromunda], which seems like a missed opportunity to sell to non-GW fans.

Who knows, maybe GW has changed and they don't want people buying so many minis now and the games are supposed to be played with small point games now.

4x4 is perfect for kill team games, and seeing as kill team is not long out, it makes sense from GW's point of view.

Lost opportunity to have this bundled with Kill Teams they released a few weeks ago then. Then it would make more sense. Now not so much.

CragHack wrote:This just popped. A Khorne Dominion battlemat. From Warhammer-TV fb:

https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerTVteam/videos/260817424313243/

I tried clicking on play and was wondering why it wouldn't play.

I thought it looked pretty good. It's about time GW went with giant mousemats. Hopefully they'll bring out a good selection.

As it is though, the brown/red sections look like they'd never have scenery on them leaving a lot of empty space for gaming on.

And the second problem... the fact that it's 25-40% dearer than most equivalent mats.

Are 4 by 4 neoprene mats available for £30? Where from Gimgamgoo?

 CragHack wrote:
This just popped. A Khorne Dominion battlemat. From Warhammer-TV fb:

https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerTVteam/videos/260817424313243/

Now that's lava

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

As it is though, the brown/red sections look like they'd never have scenery on them leaving a lot of empty space for gaming on.

Muddy wasteland doesn't necessarily mean empty. Ruins, fortifications, scraped or wrecked vehicles, industrial detritus(crates, pipes ect) could all fill it

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Are 4 by 4 neoprene mats available for £30? Where from Gimgamgoo?

I've always got mine from;

https://www.incomgaming.co.uk/collections/gamemat

£36. Not too bad for 4'×4'.
£50 gets you a 6'×4' one compared to GW's rrp.

If people are stocking the GW one for £40 though, I'll certainly be interested if they bring out a few designs.
I also like the Goliath. Gak... that's 2 decent GW releases I'm praising. Keep it up GW.

Thanks CragHack

Thanks for the images

This Khorne mat is even better and has a ton more potential.

It could be used as a temple interior for various skirmish games or RPGs.

It would go well with Mordheim, kill team, D & D, some other dungeon exploration.

You could have a scenario of trying to summon or raise demons, or stop a victim being sacrificed, and do on and so on....

I've got some pit fighting rules kicking around and this mat could be ideal...

Cool Khorne design. I like the way this is going.

Art quality on these is way above what I've seen for most other mats, looks worth the money for sure. I need generic mats myself so won't be getting these two but yeah they look great.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Years ago, we would have given our right arms for a mat like this.

Years ago, mats like this doesn't exist. Now there's at least 3 other companies banging out similar mats for slightly less money, that tend to be a lot more generic (I've got a ruins mat and a plains mat, that I can add almost any scenery too). I can see this one, at least, being very limiting in what you can actually play on it.

I don't doubt it'll be a high quality production, but I think it's still a swing-and-miss.

I wouldn't be surprised if GW are avoiding the really generic styles. Both mats have fairly distinctive designs that help them stand out from the crowd, as well as symbols that are GW specific(Imperial eagle and Khorne rune).

I could see myself getting one of these. However the fact they keep mentioning you can iron it is kind of weird. It looks like it is Neoprene. Can you even put a crease in neoprene? Never had any issues with my FatMat getting wrinkled or creased. Do other non-neoprene mats have a lot of problems with wrinkles and creases? I'm wondering if this is why they mention it. Hopefully it's not because they discovered the way they package it puts tons of hard to remove creases in it.

That's another nice discount for the SM army.

Claas wrote:
I could see myself getting one of these. However the fact they keep mentioning you can iron it is kind of weird. It looks like it is Neoprene. Can you even put a crease in neoprene? Never had any issues with my FatMat getting wrinkled or creased. Do other non-neoprene mats have a lot of problems with wrinkles and creases? I'm wondering if this is why they mention it. Hopefully it's not because they discovered the way they package it puts tons of hard to remove creases in it.

Well, if you can iron it out, they wouldn't be hard to remove, would they?

I really like the Khorne one, that's the kind of stuff I want to see. I'm still not sold on 4x4 seeing as they say 6x4 is the default, but I am also of the mindset that a 4x4 battlefield can work better for smaller, more "intimate" type of battles with a good story, so I don't have as much of a problem with those as others might, since that's the size game I tend to prefer.

Buildings on a mat is a big no no for me. When I get home from work I will see what the khorn one looks like.

Edit: oh. That khorn one is a lot nicer.

Now that I see minis on the map, I don't like it. As I said before, having the bridge on the map while does look good, just means you can only play the map a certain way.

I don't know, the bridge just make the map look smaller than it actually is.

gungo wrote:
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the price unless your buying it directly from GW and paying shipping.
Frontline gaming 4x4 mat is 75$
GW mat with typical online discount (20-25% off) is $61-$68.

This mat is much better quality as well. Double stitches edging means no more fraying mat edges. Higher quality neoprene means easier to iron without warping.
So the game workshop mat is both better quality and cheaper. You guys are just complaining because you feel you need to because there is absolutely nothing wrong with this mat unless you didn't want a mat with as much detail.

There's probably a couple of people complaining since the regional GW prices make it a lot more expensive for some. Your little corner of the world doesn't apply to everyone else, especially with the level of discount off an already-cheaper price that you're throwing around. Interesting as well that you seem to think you have any way of knowing what the quality is like without having it in hand, especially when comparing it to a second product that you also no doubt have no experience with.