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The title says it all really. Is this dark eldar list anywhere near competitive?

CAD
HQ:
- Court of the Archon - 75
-- Lhamean, Venom (Splinter Cannon)

Troops:
- Kabalite Warriors - 105
-- Venom (Splinter Cannon)
- Kabalite Warriors - 105
-- Venom (Splinter Cannon)
- Kabalite Warriors - 105
-- Venom (Splinter Cannon)
- Kabalite Warriors - 105
-- Venom (Splinter Cannon)
- Kabalite Warriors - 105
-- Venom (Splinter Cannon)

Fast Attack:
- Razorwing Jetfighter Wing - 400
-- Razorwing Jetfighter (Wing Leader)
--- 2x Dark Lances
-- Razorwing Jetfighter
-- Razorwing Jetfighter

Heavy Support:
- Ravager - 125
-- 3x Dark Lances
- Ravager - 125
-- 3x Dark Lances
- Ravager - 125
-- 3x Dark Lances


Dark Artisan
- Haemonculus - 115
-- Scissorhand, Webway Portal
- Chronos - 125
-- Spirit Probe
- Talos - 130
-- Ichor Injector

----1850

Drop the Ravagers for just about anything else and you have a solid list.
I suggest Scourges w/ Haywire blasters to replace the Ravagers. Blasters on all your Warrior units is a good choice too. Afterall, if a splinter rifle can wound it, so can a Blaster, but the blaster allows you to engage a wider variety of units.
I would even drop the Lhamaean's Venom for the points to get at least 4 Blasters on those units. Then just deploy the Lhamaean hidden near an objective. She is only there to observe and report back to the Archon (who couldn't be bothered with this particular raid). I like to play a game with my Lhamaean: Can she live the entire game just by hiding? Most opponents forget about her.

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 Galef wrote:
Drop the Ravagers for just about anything else and you have a solid list.
I suggest Scourges w/ Haywire blasters to replace the Ravagers. Blasters on all your Warrior units is a good choice too. Afterall, if a splinter rifle can wound it, so can a Blaster, but the blaster allows you to engage a wider variety of units.
I would even drop the Lhamaean's Venom for the points to get at least 4 Blasters on those units. Then just deploy the Lhamaean hidden near an objective. She is only there to observe and report back to the Archon (who couldn't be bothered with this particular raid). I like to play a game with my Lhamaean: Can she live the entire game just by hiding? Most opponents forget about her.

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That does sound like an interesting game. How does this look then?

CAD
HQ:
- Lhamean - 10

Troops:
- Kabalite Warriors - 120
-- Blaster, Venom (Splinter Cannon)
- Kabalite Warriors - 120
-- Blaster, Venom (Splinter Cannon)
- Kabalite Warriors - 120
-- Blaster, Venom (Splinter Cannon)
- Kabalite Warriors - 120
-- Blaster, Venom (Splinter Cannon)
- Kabalite Warriors - 120
-- Blaster, Venom (Splinter Cannon)
- Kabalite Warriors - 120
-- Blaster, Venom (Splinter Cannon)

Fast Attack:
- Scourges - 120
-- 4x Haywire Blasters
- Scourges - 120
-- 4x Haywire Blasters
- Scourges - 120
-- 4x Haywire Blasters

Air Superiority Detatchment
Razorwing Jetfighter Wing:
- Razorwing Jetfighter - 130
- Razorwing Jetfighter - 130
- Razorwing Jetfighter - 130

Dark Artisan
- Haemonculus - 115
-- Scissorhand, Webway Portal
- Chronos - 125
-- Spirit Probe
- Talos - 130
-- Ichor Injector

--- 1850

I don't think you can get any closer to a standard DE list than what you have there. Good luck

 Galef wrote:
Good luck

I would have to start the army first. This is just me looking at armies and seeing what I can come up with.

This list is a pretty standard "net-list" that maximizes on DE's best units. It will do well, but I think to can drop at least 1 Warrior unit + Venom and/or 1 Scourge unit to add in something fun that you want to bring.

 Galef wrote:
This list is a pretty standard "net-list" that maximizes on DE's best units. It will do well, but I think to can drop at least 1 Warrior unit + Venom and/or 1 Scourge unit to add in something fun that you want to bring.

Such as what? I would quite like to bring lelith with some incubi in a venom but that seems like a bad idea since there will only be one other cc unit in this shooty list and that contains T7 multi-wound mcs with 4+ fnp.

True. I was just saying that you could personalize the list a bit.

Reavers are a safe fun bet. A unit of 6 Reavers with 2 cluster caltrops are a credible assault, iconically fast and suprisingly durable with a 3+ jink save.

And don't be too put off by Ravagers, they are nowhere near as good as they used to be but I still find room for a Ravager with 3 disintegrators in my lists. That much AP 2 is something nothing else in the list can bring and the ability to *force* the opponents Jetbikes to jink has won me multiple games. Maybe just a single one because he is hard to protect, but 9 Str 5 Ap 2 shots at decent BS will give you options plain splinter fire doesn't.

Another take on the list airing more on the fun but still competitive side would be to drop a Kabalite, Scourge and Razorwing and pick up the Heroes Path formation. The Solitaire adds a lot of counter assault and tarpit punch in a tiny basket that is extraordinarily fast. The Shadowseer doesn't have a lot of warp charges, but she only needs to threaten units with psychic shriek and the possibility of invisibility. And the Death Jester has nice synergy with the Dark Artisan -1 ld bubble, focing panic checks on -3 means even ld 10 units flee 50% of the time. Loose out on some basic fire power but gain a lot of utility.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Reavers are a safe fun bet. A unit of 6 Reavers with 2 cluster caltrops are a credible assault, iconically fast and suprisingly durable with a 3+ jink save.

And don't be too put off by Ravagers, they are nowhere near as good as they used to be but I still find room for a Ravager with 3 disintegrators in my lists. That much AP 2 is something nothing else in the list can bring and the ability to *force* the opponents Jetbikes to jink has won me multiple games. Maybe just a single one because he is hard to protect, but 9 Str 5 Ap 2 shots at decent BS will give you options plain splinter fire doesn't.

Another take on the list airing more on the fun but still competitive side would be to drop a Kabalite, Scourge and Razorwing and pick up the Heroes Path formation. The Solitaire adds a lot of counter assault and tarpit punch in a tiny basket that is extraordinarily fast. The Shadowseer doesn't have a lot of warp charges, but she only needs to threaten units with psychic shriek and the possibility of invisibility. And the Death Jester has nice synergy with the Dark Artisan -1 ld bubble, focing panic checks on -3 means even ld 10 units flee 50% of the time. Loose out on some basic fire power but gain a lot of utility.

This is good advice, in fact, I would amend your list to look like this:

CAD
HQ:
- Lhamean - 10

Troops:
- Kabalite Warriors - 120
-- Blaster, Venom (Splinter Cannon)
- Kabalite Warriors - 120
-- Blaster, Venom (Splinter Cannon)
- Kabalite Warriors - 120
-- Blaster, Venom (Splinter Cannon)
- Kabalite Warriors - 120
-- Blaster, Venom (Splinter Cannon)
- Kabalite Warriors - 120
-- Blaster, Venom (Splinter Cannon)

Fast Attack:
- Scourges - 120
-- 4x Haywire Blasters
- Scourges - 120
-- 4x Haywire Blasters
- 6 Reavers - 126
-- 2x Caltrops

Heavy:
1 Ravager w/ Disintegrators - 105

Air Superiority Detatchment
Razorwing Jetfighter Wing:
- Razorwing Jetfighter - 130
- Razorwing Jetfighter - 130
- Razorwing Jetfighter - 130

Dark Artisan
- Haemonculus - 115
-- Scissorhand, Webway Portal
- Chronos - 125
-- Spirit Probe
- Talos - 130
-- Ichor Injector

--- 1841

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I believe the base cost for the ravager is 110, but there's enough points spare for that to be unimportant

105

xambrien wrote:
105

Was it FAQ'd? Because my codex says 110?

Well, i'll say but I think that scourge with haywire isn't superior too a ravager with 3 dark lance,this weapon can also deal with monstruous creature unlike the haywire.
Note that its still a great weapon but i say it cause i often play against a tyranid.
also, you could even drop one or two razorwing for kabalite sqads (your not sure that flying think will come turn two)

IDK how you want to play, But The list that I win the most with (Im in a HIGHLY competitive area, DA dbl Demi-Cads, SM-SW with Skyhammer, BA-Librarian Melee DS's etc..)

My list was always

HQ, Courh Lham, Venom:SC

Troops 5man:blaster, Venom:SC
Troops 5man:blaster, Venom:SC
Troops 5man:blaster, Venom:SC
Troops 5man:blaster, Venom:SC
Troops 5man:blaster, Venom:SC + Sybarite : HWG

Reavers x3, Heatlance+Cultrops (on same model)
Reavers x3, Heatlance+Cultrops (on same model)
Reavers x3, Heatlance+Cultrops (on same model)
Reavers x3, Heatlance+Cultrops (on same model)
Reavers x3, Heatlance+Cultrops (on same model)

Cronus:Spirit Probe

Haemi Formation CTC, 5x Talos: HWB + 2 Ichors


As you can see it is extremely spam, I dont use fliers, b.c with the Meta im in they get 1 shot in and die or just Jink all game, thats ok, but if not for 140pts price tag, they just take to much of my points for to little use.I also dont take Ravagers, IMO they just never do enough and 1 jink and they are out of the count. Scourges vs Reavers, I will take a unit or 2 of Scourges time to time, if I play 2k or 2500 I will everytime take a unit or 2. Just b.c of the meta, the bikes are doing better for me.

CTC, this formation is the MVP of DE, I start every list with it, that or the DA formation.


I personally Feel Haemi formation heavy army is better than DE, but then your not playing DE. My Favorite list is CTC, 2 DA and 2 Gortesquries (1 from each unit with a WWP at max 10mans other small with raider).

With DE I have about a 40% win rate at my local. There are some game types that I will always lose no matter what, when that happens I ask my opponents if we can not play them, I tell them why and they are completely understand.

If I were to go to a Tournament I would just Ally in Eldar for about 800pts.

EDIT: PS, Ravagers are 110pts not 105.
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