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So I'm sure this has been answered many times but my question is....... space marines come with a close combat weapon on their profile.......lets say I give a space marine a power sword....does he get a bonus attack for having two combat weapons or does that really only count if I have another single handed weapon or a pistol modeled on?

separately, If I model a model with say a heavy bolter.....but spend the points to give him a power weapon....is this legal or am I not allowed to since its modeled holding the guns grips?

thank you for you responses!!

Space marines have a bolter and bolt pistol as standard(excepting chaplains and librarians who have bolt pistol and crozius arcanum/force weapon).

A bolt pistol is, well, a pistol. Pistols count as ccws in the assault phase while engaged.

If you have any model, of any force, with 2 or more weapons with the melee type, which are not 2 handed or less than 2 have the specialist rule and you are using the one with the specialist rule, then you get a bonus attack in addion to the attacks on your model's profile.

You only choose 1 weapon to make all attacks with.

Addendum: what is modeled doesn't entirely matter. The model with the heavy bolter also has a bolt pistol.

There are very few cases where a space marine with a heavy bolter can also have a power sword. Deathwatch is one of those cases but to get the power sword he gives up the ccw(which deathwatch veterans have instead of the bolt pistol), so he does not have 2 melee weapons(only heavy bolter and power sword).

yekram10 wrote:
separately, If I model a model with say a heavy bolter.....but spend the points to give him a power weapon....is this legal or am I not allowed to since its modeled holding the guns grips?

The only thing that really matters in cases like this is what the rules say about the gear/weapons and what you spent points on.

For example Terminators are modeled holding their Stormbolter in one hand but it's still not a Pistol or One-handed. Banner bearer models often have their weapon modeled as slung over their shoulder while they hold the banner with both hands but their profile has a gun so they can surely use that gun. And AFAIK nothing prevents a model from using whatever weapon he was allowed to buy, even if he for some reason had several ranged weapons and several CCWs. He can't normally shoot more than one gun a turn, but if he then charges he gets to choose what CCW(s) he uses. Say he wipes the enemy and gets charged on their turn - he can then pick a different gun to shoot overwatch with and once again pick what CCW to use.

tldr, as long as you paid the points that heavy bolter guy could be modeled with the gun stuck where the sun doesn't shine and he would still be able to use it, and the shiny sword you gave him.

Remember that even under the strictest WYSIWYG rules "modeled" does not mean "holding in the model's hands". The hypothetical heavy bolter marine can have the heavy bolter in his hands and the power sword sheathed on his belt. A marine with a bolter and a bolt pistol can be modeled firing the bolter with the pistol holstered, or firing the pistol with the bolter slung across his back. Etc. It's very rare that you'll find a combination of weapons that is legal for a model to take but not possible to model in any reasonable way.

 Peregrine wrote:
Remember that even under the strictest WYSIWYG rules "modeled" does not mean "holding in the model's hands". The hypothetical heavy bolter marine can have the heavy bolter in his hands and the power sword sheathed on his belt. A marine with a bolter and a bolt pistol can be modeled firing the bolter with the pistol holstered, or firing the pistol with the bolter slung across his back. Etc. It's very rare that you'll find a combination of weapons that is legal for a model to take but not possible to model in any reasonable way.

Deathwatch veteran with Heavy bolter(or the variants) and power fist would be mighty difficult to model properly(and a relatively decent setup with the infernus heavy bolter in a squad that is part of a dominatus killteam) assault heavy bolter/flamer and power fist in a cc-oriented unit.

You have to read the unit's codex rules carefully when choosing wargear, because it will specifically tell you what comes standard, versus what you can add additionally, or what gets swapped out. Non-standard wargear has to be modeled under WYSIWYG rules.

For example, a Chaos Marine (since I have the codex handy) comes standard with a bolter and bolt pistol. That is 1 CCW and does not provide an extra attack.

A Chaos Marine may purchase a CCW for 2 points, or replace his bolter with a CCW for free. That's a build option. I get the 2nd attack for another CCW (the pistol counts as the first), but either have to pay the cost, or sacrifice the firepower of the bolter.

If I buy that upgrade, I should model the CCW since it is not standard wargear. I could give the model a bolt pistol and chainsword, and show his bolter on a sling (or leave it off). Or I could just stick a CCW bit on his backpack.

There are a lot of options, but the goal is always to be clear and avoid confusion on the gameboard. (Also why complete army lists are necessary) Modeling should not be used to deceive an opponent.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
Remember that even under the strictest WYSIWYG rules "modeled" does not mean "holding in the model's hands". The hypothetical heavy bolter marine can have the heavy bolter in his hands and the power sword sheathed on his belt. A marine with a bolter and a bolt pistol can be modeled firing the bolter with the pistol holstered, or firing the pistol with the bolter slung across his back. Etc. It's very rare that you'll find a combination of weapons that is legal for a model to take but not possible to model in any reasonable way.

Deathwatch veteran with Heavy bolter(or the variants) and power fist would be mighty difficult to model properly(and a relatively decent setup with the infernus heavy bolter in a squad that is part of a dominatus killteam) assault heavy bolter/flamer and power fist in a cc-oriented unit.

Not necessarily. You could model him holding a heavy Bolter in the power fist like a bolter (kitbashing required) or build up one arm with a power fist holding the upper grip. Not out-of-the-box easy, but doeable.