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The Cult Insurrection has a Command Benefit called "An Uprising Generations In The Making."

"You can add 1 to all your Reserve Rolls, whilst your opponent must subtract 1 from all their Reserve Rolls while your opponent must subtract 1 from all their reserve rolls"

The question is what happens if you take Flyrants as your Allies of Convenience.

Allies of Convenience "Cannot use modifiers and re-rolls that apply to Reserve Rolls that are granted by an Allies of Convenience model." However, the bonus is not coming from any specific model but the detachment itself.
Allies of Convenience "Are affected by attacks, special rules or abilities used by Allies of Convenience that affect 'enemy' units within a certain range of effect. However, the penalty only refers to your opponent's reserves, and not any enemy units specifically.

Would it be safe to conclude that RAW would state that Flyrants allied to a Cult Insurrection would arrive from Reserves on 2+?

Unless otherwise stated i think Detachment Command Benefits only apply to themselves or any other Detachment choice of themselves.

I guess that's the benefit of the cult Decurion/Warhost/Gladius super detachment, and should not benefit the allies.

Please see 'Command Benefits' (pg. 121, main rulebook). As noted, unless specifically stated otherwise, Command Benefits only affect the models in that Detachment.

not sure on this one...

It does say "you may add 1 to your reserve rolls, whilst your opponent must subtract one from all their reserve rolls"

So the roll seems to affect the players not the units.

The infiltrate and shrouded would only affect the units in the genestealer cult detachment certainly however.

blaktoof wrote:
not sure on this one...

It does say "you may add 1 to your reserve rolls, whilst your opponent must subtract one from all their reserve rolls"

So the roll seems to affect the players not the units.

The infiltrate and shrouded would only affect the units in the genestealer cult detachment certainly however.

Based one the wording, I would say everything in your army gets the benefit. It doesn't say "friendly models"/"enemy models".

 EnTyme wrote:
It doesn't say "friendly models"/"enemy models".

Which would mean that you would default to the wording in Command Benefits and only those units in the Detachment are affected. It would require wording along the lines of "... you may add 1 to your reserve rolls of all of the units in your army..." to affect the entire army.

The wording says:

"You can add 1 to all your Reserve Rolls, whilst your opponent must subtract 1 from all their Reserve Rolls while your opponent must subtract 1 from all their reserve rolls"

If you cannot add +1 to the Reserve Rolls of models that are not part of your Detachment, then by definition you're not adding +1 to all of your Reserve Rolls. Does the Codex trump the rulebook?

I think the other issue, is if we say it defaults to the BRB wording then it has no effect on enemy player, as those models are not in the detachment.

Which makes no sense .

blaktoof wrote:
I think the other issue, is if we say it defaults to the BRB wording then it has no effect on enemy player, as those models are not in the detachment.

Which makes no sense .

Except the enemy models are specifically mentioned, aren't they?

 Ghaz wrote:

blaktoof wrote:
I think the other issue, is if we say it defaults to the BRB wording then it has no effect on enemy player, as those models are not in the detachment.

Which makes no sense .

Except the enemy models are specifically mentioned, aren't they?

No...it says your opponents rolls. Nothing about models.

So you really think your opponent is making reserve rolls for your models?

Command benefits only ever apply to units taken as part of that detachment. You can add 1 to any reserve rolls for The Cult Insurrection but not for any other detachment you bring including allies or a CAD of GSC or anything else.

The enemy -1 is an exception that is explicitly stated. All special rules are exceptions to normal rules.

The statement that it effects your rolls and your opponents is explicit for both players. It never mentions models which both of you are falsely claiming.

Either it effects both players as it explicitly states, or neither due to it defaulting to the BRB wording for command benefits.

The one that makes any iota of sense is that it effects ts both players.

 Lance845 wrote:
Command benefits only ever apply to units taken as part of that detachment. You can add 1 to any reserve rolls for The Cult Insurrection but not for any other detachment you bring including allies or a CAD of GSC or anything else.

The enemy -1 is an exception that is explicitly stated. All special rules are exceptions to normal rules.

Except that this is a command benefit that applies to the player, not just the units. If only the formation is supposed to get the plus one, why didn't they say the unit gets a +1 to come in from Reserves instead of saying you get a +1 for ALL Reserves rolls? Saying "you" instead of "units", and saying "all rolls" makes it clear they are meaning that the player does get the bonus to all his reserves rolls.

 doctortom wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Command benefits only ever apply to units taken as part of that detachment. You can add 1 to any reserve rolls for The Cult Insurrection but not for any other detachment you bring including allies or a CAD of GSC or anything else.

The enemy -1 is an exception that is explicitly stated. All special rules are exceptions to normal rules.

Except that this is a command benefit that applies to the player, not just the units. If only the formation is supposed to get the plus one, why didn't they say the unit gets a +1 to come in from Reserves instead of saying you get a +1 for ALL Reserves rolls? Saying "you" instead of "units", and saying "all rolls" makes it clear they are meaning that the player does get the bonus to all his reserves rolls.

Also it's incredibly easy to argue that if the "enemy -1" is an explicitly stated exception, so is the "all of your reserve rolls +1" portion

Yes, I thought that too. If one of those is an explicitly stated exception, the other part should be also.

Well I know how my FLGS is going to play it. You are welcome to keep arguing the semantics of the rule, I'll be busy playing my GSC (eventually) with +1 to reserve rolls for my Genstealers and their allies.