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BBAP wrote: Every time I enter a game room and **that** smell is in the air. You know the smell I mean. Every single time it's my worst gaming moment ever.
As a former maker of such odors, I must apologize.
Oh, and if you're wondering how GUOs can tolerate their own stench, I can tell you from personal experience that after the first 2-3 weeks they don't even notice it anymore.
It's also worth noting that that is effectively the natural odor of humans that we would all be dealing with had we not invented hygiene. Apparently one of the major reasons our ancestors were not hunted into extinction by predators before we started inventing technology to make up for our pathetic bodies is that we smelled and tasted so bad that predators found us completely unappetizing and avoided us for the most part.
Probably my least enjoyable experience is when I came into a GW store for a quick game and this guy wanted to play. I agreed, as Grey Knights aren't something I fight often and I decided to be a good sport.
He was...somewhere on the autism spectrum. Or he was just slow. I honestly couldn't tell. Wargamers are wargamers and I don't judge, but I do judge cheating. This guy was loud and read rules wrong. I tried to correct him but it just went ignored. I am 100% sure he made up stuff from his codex, but I couldn't check because he wouldn't let me see his codex and got loud when I thought he was cheating. I honestly don't even know if he was cheating or if he just couldn't comprehend the rulings. I just decided to let him have his fun and have my army get its face stomped in.
I wish I could've dropped out because playing through that game for an hour was.....frustrating. I really do not like people who won't let you see the codex because they're insulted that you think they're cheating. I just want to know the ruling because I don't own the book and it would be nice to know for future games, its never personal.
"People say on their first meeting a Man and an Ork exchanged a long, hard look, didn't care much for what they saw, and shot each other dead."
Pouncey wrote: It's also worth noting that that is effectively the natural odor of humans that we would all be dealing with had we not invented hygiene.
There's a reason we "invented" hygiene. Allowing filth to collect on your body is unhealthy. If you have some ailment that makes washing yourself or your clothes difficult that's one thing, but if you're making excuses for not washing yourself or your clothes because you don't feel you need to then, y'know... no. That's just obnoxious.
Pouncey wrote: It's also worth noting that that is effectively the natural odor of humans that we would all be dealing with had we not invented hygiene.
There's a reason we "invented" hygiene. Allowing filth to collect on your body is unhealthy. If you have some ailment that makes washing yourself or your clothes difficult that's one thing, but if you're making excuses for not washing yourself or your clothes because you don't feel you need to then, y'know... no. That's just obnoxious.
Yes, I am aware of the importance of proper hygiene beyond simply suppressing odor.
I was referring to the period in human pre-history when we did not have things like soap and baths, and were likely unwilling to pollute our drinking water by bathing in it. The sentence you quoted was the preamble for the sentence afterward.
Also one of the symptoms of schizophrenia is very poor personal hygiene. I used to have a delusion where I believed the scene from Ghostbusters 2 with the bathtub and pink goo would happen in real life, every time I took a shower, and every time I survived I considered it lucky. Schizophrenia occurs in roughly 1 in every 100 humans and poor hygiene is not a symptom unique to schizophrenia, so it is not beyond the realm of possibility that many or even most GUOs have actual medical issues that make proper hygiene impossible.
Lack of self care is a symptom of various mental illnesses. I will tolerate odour if there's a legitimate reason for it. If you're turning up somewhere reeking of caries and mould purely because you spent too much time watching catgirl anime to take a shower or wash your clothes then I judge you, and reserve the right to pressure-wash your Dorito-stank out of the room.
BBAP wrote: Lack of self care is a symptom of various mental illnesses. I will tolerate odour if there's a legitimate reason for it. If you're turning up somewhere reeking of caries and mould purely because you spent too much time watching catgirl anime to take a shower or wash your clothes then I judge you, and reserve the right to pressure-wash your Dorito-stank out of the room.
Do you actually know the people at your local gaming club well enough to know who's mentally ill and who simply can't be bothered?
BBAP wrote: Lack of self care is a symptom of various mental illnesses. I will tolerate odour if there's a legitimate reason for it. If you're turning up somewhere reeking of caries and mould purely because you spent too much time watching catgirl anime to take a shower or wash your clothes then I judge you, and reserve the right to pressure-wash your Dorito-stank out of the room.
Keep a tub of Vick's vapor rub in your bag, little under the nose and your good to go.
Pouncey wrote: Do you actually know the people at your local gaming club well enough to know who's mentally ill and who simply can't be bothered?
I don't need someone's full mental health disclosure to tell the difference between someone who has a genuine issue and someone who's just a grotty slob.
Chute82 wrote: Keep a tub of Vick's vapor rub in your bag, little under the nose and your good to go.
10 internets for you, good sir! Although some of the places I've been to it'd be more like a nosebag full of neat menthol.
Pouncey wrote: Do you actually know the people at your local gaming club well enough to know who's mentally ill and who simply can't be bothered?
I don't need someone's full mental health disclosure to tell the difference between someone who has a genuine issue and someone who's just a grotty slob.
I doubt your claim.
My own mom can't even discern my elevated anxiety levels in a crowded room when I'm sitting right next to her.
I'm with BBAP on this one. I'm sure there are a handful of people with some doctor-diagnosed excuse for not bathing. That number likely pales in comparison to those who are just lazy slobs. Mental anxiety or not, there is still the ability to wear clean clothes, apply deodorant/anti-perspirant, apply cologne/body spray etc.
There have been times I've been forced out of a gaming hall or gaming room due to stench - and I can barely smell things. Let's not start down the path of "well they must all have a secret justification...".
I'm not saying I can diagnose someone's specific problem just by being in the same room as them. I'm saying I can tell the difference between a person who may have some genuine mental health issue and a narcissistic neckbeard trog who feels no particular compunction to wash his swamp-crevice despite the reek.
Elbows wrote: I'm with BBAP on this one. I'm sure there are a handful of people with some doctor-diagnosed excuse for not bathing. That number likely pales in comparison to those who are just lazy slobs. Mental anxiety or not, there is still the ability to wear clean clothes, apply deodorant/anti-perspirant, apply cologne/body spray etc.
There have been times I've been forced out of a gaming hall or gaming room due to stench - and I can barely smell things. Let's not start down the path of "well they must all have a secret justification...".
Actually, doctors try to get their patients to improve their hygiene habits during the recovery process. My status as a GUO only lasted as long as it did because I went undiagnosed for two or more years and schizophrenia meds take a long time to take effect, making recovery a slow process that takes years and often includes relapses.
It's more of a reason than an excuse.
I'm not saying I can diagnose someone's specific problem just by being in the same room as them. I'm saying I can tell the difference between a person who may have some genuine mental health issue and a narcissistic neckbeard trog who feels no particular compunction to wash his swamp-crevice despite the reek.
Maybe you're right. I'm probably over-reacting.
I do find it difficult to imagine a reason why a person with no relevant mental illness would choose to let their hygiene lapse like that though. After I recovered sufficiently, I couldn't bear to let the filth build up and would shower once every day or two (I do not have a physically active life, so skipping a day didn't offend anyone).
Don Savik wrote: I really do not like people who won't let you see the codex because they're insulted that you think they're cheating.
You should tell them they are cheating, then immediately start packing your stuff up.
"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life.
Why not just show the rules in the dex instead of getting all insulted about it? Feel free to be insulted from the vantage of the higher ground after your brand new beardy power creeping codex vindicates your abuse of its loop-holes.
'm with BBAP on this one. I'm sure there are a handful of people with some doctor-diagnosed excuse for not bathing. That number likely pales in comparison to those who are just lazy slobs. Mental anxiety or not, there is still the ability to wear clean clothes, apply deodorant/anti-perspirant, apply cologne/body spray etc.
There have been times I've been forced out of a gaming hall or gaming room due to stench - and I can barely smell things. Let's not start down the path of "well they must all have a secret justification...".
Sometimes I almost miss the cigarette ban on such occasions.....
At least the smell was masked for a while
Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be
By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.
Long time lurker but the opportunity to have a whinge caused me to register...
First time playing 7ed having been away for a couple of years, a few weeks ago. Rock up at my FLGS for a friendly game with my CSM army, no heldrake, burning brand or anything that was considered Op 2 years ago. Just a warband and the terminator annihilation formation.
Guy has a look at my list and says that he will give me a game, knows it's been a while and will take a low powered list. Which turns out to be 5 drop pods with grav Marines, tigurius, grav centurions in a drop pod, 3 flyers and a knight. I haven't any anti air at all. He then deploys the knight in reserve, roles on telepathy (for invisibility looking back, although he didn't get it) wins the deployment roll off and chooses to go second. I knew I was onto a loser but thought I would see what happened.
I grabbed a few objectives turn 1, but turn 2 on comes the knight (I succeeded with all my reserve rolls in my turn so I had nothing to counter it with) and the flyers and proceed to remove most of my army in one shooting phase, mopping the rest up in the next couple of turns.
I hope it made him feel happy but I'm not going to play him again. Have had a few fun games with other guys since, even won one of them. And he clearly has a rep because when he called up last week and the owner picked up and asked if anyone wanted a game, all he said when I asked him if it was this guy was 'you've played him then!' I just don't get the mentality, it's meant to be fun, right?!
Gashead1105 wrote: Long time lurker but the opportunity to have a whinge caused me to register...
First time playing 7ed having been away for a couple of years, a few weeks ago. Rock up at my FLGS for a friendly game with my CSM army, no heldrake, burning brand or anything that was considered Op 2 years ago. Just a warband and the terminator annihilation formation.
Guy has a look at my list and says that he will give me a game, knows it's been a while and will take a low powered list. Which turns out to be 5 drop pods with grav Marines, tigurius, grav centurions in a drop pod, 3 flyers and a knight. I haven't any anti air at all. He then deploys the knight in reserve, roles on telepathy (for invisibility looking back, although he didn't get it) wins the deployment roll off and chooses to go second. I knew I was onto a loser but thought I would see what happened.
I grabbed a few objectives turn 1, but turn 2 on comes the knight (I succeeded with all my reserve rolls in my turn so I had nothing to counter it with) and the flyers and proceed to remove most of my army in one shooting phase, mopping the rest up in the next couple of turns.
I hope it made him feel happy but I'm not going to play him again. Have had a few fun games with other guys since, even won one of them. And he clearly has a rep because when he called up last week and the owner picked up and asked if anyone wanted a game, all he said when I asked him if it was this guy was 'you've played him then!' I just don't get the mentality, it's meant to be fun, right?!
For some people, roflstomping newbs is fun.
In WoW people like that are called "gankers" and they do it because they are too unskilled at the game to actually defeat a proper opponent. When someone brings a max-level character to defend the newbs, gankers run and do not make any attempt whatsoever to engage the character who is their equal. At one point I even walked away from the keyboard for a good ten minutes and came back to find my character was completely unharmed. These people are cowards and the PvP community considers them to be scum.
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Ironically my only bad experiences were because of winning, not losing. Back in 3rd ed when I was a kid I played at the local GW's Thursday games night with all the other beginners. It was the highlight of my week. I played with my CSM army that won more games than it lost but still not more than about a 2:1 ratio. Meanwhile I was working on my second army which would be eldar, and it wasn't built up on units I liked the look of like my chaos marines, it was all collected with a specific 1000 point list in mind that involved banshees in a falcon, an avatar, two wraithlords, dark reapers, a vyper... no theme in mind, just an anti space marine list.
It never lost, and never even came close to losing. It was fun for a little while but gradually it dawned on me how inappropriate the army was for the level we were playing at. After a couple of months of boring games that weren't fun for anyone I stopped playing with it and went back to my chaos marines. It felt good losing games again
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Ha! I get doubly suspicious when faced with the "loud and confident" "reading" of rules.
I couldn't check because he wouldn't let me see his codex and got loud when I thought he was cheating.
Some people learn better by what they read rather than hear.
I usually say I need to read the rules to remember them.
I honestly don't even know if he was cheating or if he just couldn't comprehend the rulings.
I just decided to let him have his fun and have my army get its face stomped in.
It could be a case of "rose coloured glasses" where a few key words skipped here or there make all the difference.
I wish I could've dropped out because playing through that game for an hour was.....frustrating. I really do not like people who won't let you see the codex because they're insulted that you think they're cheating. I just want to know the ruling because I don't own the book and it would be nice to know for future games, its never personal.
Unfortunately, 6th and 7th edition I have found almost impossible to collect all the rules for all armies, I used to in prior editions.
Players will have to be used to others not knowing their army rules and to demonstrate them from the codex or whatever literature they come from.
We also want to avoid paraphrasing the rules since RAW is a whole different animal.
Usually, people should not mind pointing out the rule in the book unless they have something to hide...
A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte
Winning a string of games against my friend's Always Strikes First high elves supported by Terror Bombing dragon lord with my unarmoured and skittish Beasts of Chaos.
He quit playing WHFB because he felt he just couldn't win.
I try to play a little more 'narratively' these days. I don't want people to ragequit a hobby they otherwise enjoy.
Gashead1105 wrote: Long time lurker but the opportunity to have a whinge caused me to register...
First time playing 7ed having been away for a couple of years, a few weeks ago. Rock up at my FLGS for a friendly game with my CSM army, no heldrake, burning brand or anything that was considered Op 2 years ago. Just a warband and the terminator annihilation formation.
Guy has a look at my list and says that he will give me a game, knows it's been a while and will take a low powered list. Which turns out to be 5 drop pods with grav Marines, tigurius, grav centurions in a drop pod, 3 flyers and a knight. I haven't any anti air at all. He then deploys the knight in reserve, roles on telepathy (for invisibility looking back, although he didn't get it) wins the deployment roll off and chooses to go second. I knew I was onto a loser but thought I would see what happened.
I grabbed a few objectives turn 1, but turn 2 on comes the knight (I succeeded with all my reserve rolls in my turn so I had nothing to counter it with) and the flyers and proceed to remove most of my army in one shooting phase, mopping the rest up in the next couple of turns.
I hope it made him feel happy but I'm not going to play him again. Have had a few fun games with other guys since, even won one of them. And he clearly has a rep because when he called up last week and the owner picked up and asked if anyone wanted a game, all he said when I asked him if it was this guy was 'you've played him then!' I just don't get the mentality, it's meant to be fun, right?!
For some people, roflstomping newbs is fun.
In WoW people like that are called "gankers" and they do it because they are too unskilled at the game to actually defeat a proper opponent. When someone brings a max-level character to defend the newbs, gankers run and do not make any attempt whatsoever to engage the character who is their equal. At one point I even walked away from the keyboard for a good ten minutes and came back to find my character was completely unharmed. These people are cowards and the PvP community considers them to be scum.
Not a perfect metaphor but pretty close.
40k drinking game: take a shot everytime a book references Skitarii using transports.
I won't defend it, but I do have some understanding of the rationale behind the roflstomp approach, having very nearly strayed into it without realising:
There comes a point when competition playing and more specifically, practicing with your army and refining it to the sharpest edge possible becomes the automatic approach to the game.
If your community *supports* a fairly high power level then your own baseline of 'normal' will be skewed, simply due to the amount of time you can invest in focusing on your army. In turn it can take away from developing an understanding of the non-optimum options in other armies, to the point you can only go on reputation instead of personal experience.
Now there are folks who get their giggles from causing harm to people, and some of them play 40k, that's never going to change - but not all of them are smashing people for that reason. When I realised what I was doing and corrected it, the hobby opened up big time.
As an aside I found a rule of thumb for this is 'maximum one actually scary thing per year of play time'. Keeps your army interesting for you, and tenable for them.
To the topic @ hand, worst I can remember was midway through 4th when I was starting out with my marines. The Tournament level player was already smashing me, but was also getting advised directly by 3-4 of the high end players at the same time to the point there really wasn't any point in playing any further as whatever I did was highlighted, criticized and countered by committee.
Some people find the idea that other people can be happy offensive, and will prefer causing harm to self improvement.
I once got accused of being a GUO... only ever happened once. Someone walking past making a backhanded comment.
I'm quite weird, I generally don't have much body odor but on rare occasions I just can't stop sweating under my pits. It's not bad enough to get medication nor to cause extreme sweat marks, but it stinks. However I can normally tell in advance and it's given me a weird habit before showing before leaving the house. On this occasion I had showered, applied anti-perspirant and deodorant and put on clean clothes (neat and not scruffy) about an hour before the comment.
You can obviously see who hasn't washed well in our circles, but I do find if anyone smells anything off in the slightest people can be also less forgiving.
Had a few stand out. This one was one that made me almost pack up and leave.
I played sisters of Battle and one of my opponents was a rules lawyer. Told me I couldn't use the command trait "inspiring presence" I just rolled for St. Celestine. Reasoning was the entry says uses "HIS" leadership. Guy was completely serious. Told him he was full of Gak. I packed up off the table and went to play a friend and had fun. I dont think I was in the wrong there. Never played that guy before
Next one is longer. TL: DR Dark Eldar player whines, curses, and yells the whole game. My old gamestore in 2010
Spoiler:
I was in a match(5th edition), my orks vs Dark Eldar, Challenging someone i have never played before but heard a lot about from our flgs. First turn the guy is a jerk, he went first and moved all his raiders and ravengers to exactly 36 inches away, since my lootas range is 36(he thought). I see that he measured and then turned his ship, fires at my killa-kans and wipes them out, so during my turn I fired with my lootas and he laughs and says he has night shields and I don't have the range, I told him that i know what night shields do, and im still shooting at it because my Guns range is 48". he throws a fit saying im cheating with my ruler and Lied to him about my guns range, (that he never asked, he just assumed). Then calls my lootas overpowered since i rolled a 6 on the d3 shots, fired 15 shots into a wych filled raider, he gets pissy at me for doing that, killing off a 85 point unit, while during his first turn he kills off 150 points of my killa-kans. I told him to make better judgment on pre-measuring everything, though I was a little snarky about that after the range debate. Turn 3 my dakka jet comes in and he is screaming OP at me since he said dark eldar have do not have any good flyers. told him my one 135 point flier is just fine, his 145 flyer with 2 dark lances, splinter cannon, and 4 missiles stock is plenty fine. not my fault he thinks it sucks. Turn 5 he was beating me through questionable rolls, overly powerful grotesques, and among other things, my friends are just watching and wondering why I am putting up with it, I don't know either really, just didn't think he would be that bad, cursing, yelling(red faced), throwing dice across the room, all in front of his 5 year old kid, he is 35. he beats me 6 to 4 kill points, and I'm just glad its over. never played him again.
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BBAP wrote: Lack of self care is a symptom of various mental illnesses. I will tolerate odour if there's a legitimate reason for it. If you're turning up somewhere reeking of caries and mould purely because you spent too much time watching catgirl anime to take a shower or wash your clothes then I judge you, and reserve the right to pressure-wash your Dorito-stank out of the room.
Keep a tub of Vick's vapor rub in your bag, little under the nose and your good to go.
They tell med. students this, too (supposed to cover deathstink. It doesn't.).
I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
These threads have the same problem SoB focused threads have, they both get super distracted talking about some oddly specific nitpick. SoB it's boobplates, Worst gaming experience it's BO pros and cons
ERJAK wrote: These threads have the same problem SoB focused threads have, they both get super distracted talking about some oddly specific nitpick. SoB it's boobplates, Worst gaming experience it's BO pros and cons
Consider how bad the inside of that boobplate must smell after battle.
I haven't had a horrible gaming experience yet, but I hate playing against unpainted minis or minis that have one color just slopped on them. I'm not the best painter by far but I can do table top worthy. Played in a tourney today with 8 players. 2 painted armies only. Not the worst experience but a lame one nonetheless.
As long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, I can do without the rock and roll.
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