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Wait...what? Even Stalin wouldn't do this level of stupid:

http://www.gazettenet.com/MarijuanaRaid-HG-100116-5074664
http://www.fox25boston.com/news/mass-national-guard-state-police-raid-81-year-old-womans-home-to-seize-pot-plant/454037484
AMHERST — All that remains of the solitary marijuana plant an 81-year-old grandmother had been growing behind her South Amherst home is a stump and a ragged hole in the ground.

Margaret Holcomb said she was growing the plant as medicine, a way to ease arthritis and glaucoma and help her sleep at night. Tucked away in a raspberry patch and separated by a fence from any neighbors, the plant was nearly ready for harvest when a military-style helicopter and police descended on Sept. 21.

In a joint raid, the Massachusetts National Guard and State Police entered her yard and cut down the solitary plant in what her son, Tim Holcomb, said was a “pretty shocking” action — one that he argues constitutes unlawful surveillance and illegal search and seizure.

“It’s scary as hell,” said Tim Holcomb.

Those agencies also conducted raids in Wendell and Granby recently.

Holcomb said he was at his mother’s home eating a late lunch with his sister when they heard whirring blades and looked up to see a military-style helicopter circling the property, with two men crouching in an open door and holding a device that he suspects was a thermal imager to detect marijuana plants.

Editorial: Police pick wrong drug fight with raid on pot-growing grandmother

Margaret Holcomb was not home at the time.

Within 10 minutes of the helicopter departing, several vehicles arrived at the home, including a pickup truck with a bed filled with marijuana plants seized at other locations, and several State Police troopers, including one who flashed his badge.

“He asked me if I knew there was a marijuana plant growing on the property. I didn’t answer the question. I asked, ‘What are you doing here?’” Holcomb recalled.

Holcomb said he was told that as long as he did not demand that a warrant be provided to enter the property or otherwise escalate the situation, authorities would file no criminal charges.

“’We just want the illegal contraband,’” Holcomb recalled the officer saying. Margaret Holcomb does not have a medical card authorizing her to grow or possess marijuana.

Margaret Holcomb said she is “not a huge social activist” but she is ready to stand up in this case, in which she feels like her civil rights were violated. If she’s unable to get medical marijuana by other means, she said, she may grow another plant.

Greenfield forum planned Thursday on Massachusetts marijuana legalization question

“I’m prepared to take actions if I need to,” Margaret Holcomb said. “I don’t picture them out here and putting an 81-year-old woman in jail.”

State police spokesman David Procopio confirmed in an email that State Police and National Guard enforcement occurred in the Amherst and Northampton area Sept. 21. He said the plant at Margaret Holcomb’s home was one of 44 found on various properties outside and in plain view that day.

“At each location where property owners were home, troopers identified themselves and explained the purpose for the visit, why the plants were being grown illegally, and seized the plants,” Procopio said. None of the property owners was charged with a crime.

The seizures included an additional 21 plants in Amherst, with 16 on Montague Road and five on Potwine Lane; two plants on Cross Path Road in Northampton; and 20 in Hadley, with 10 plants on Honey Pot Road, eight on River Road and two on Pine Hill Road.
Seizures commonplace

Such enforcement actions have become commonplace since the 2012 law that made medical marijuana legal in Massachusetts, according to Northampton attorney Michael Cutler.

“The exact same stuff happened last year,” said Cutler, who specializes in helping clients understand the state’s medical marijuana law and recently participated in drafting the language of the Nov. 8 ballot initiative that would legalize the recreational use of marijuana.

The latest enforcement push comes almost exactly a year after prominent medical marijuana proponent Ezra Parzybok was prosecuted after a Massachusetts National Guard helicopter observed plants growing in his backyard in Northampton. State police seized 67 marijuana plants, 20 one-gallon bags of marijuana, 59 jars of hash oil, three scales, a heat sealer, numerous ledgers and receipts and $1,640 in cash.

Parzybok was charged with possession of marijuana and hash oil with intent to distribute. Last November, he admitted to sufficient facts to support a guilty finding and was placed on 90 days probation, allowing him to emerge without a criminal record if he abided by the law during that period.

Cutler said it’s likely that authorities are using budgeted funds, prior to the end of the federal fiscal year Saturday, to gas up helicopters and do flyovers.

“We’re seeing the last throes of police hostility to the changing laws,” Cutler said. “They’re taking the position that if it’s in plain view, it’s somehow illegal.”

Another raid occurred on Sept. 13 in Wendell at the home of residents who have valid medical marijuana cards.

In that case, authorities seized marijuana plants from a couple because their plants were not secure and may have been visible from the street, both alleged violations of the law.

Law enforcement may itself be stretching the definition of “plain view,” Cutler said. And he wonders whether raiding backyards constitutes a wise use of public resources.

“Is this the way we want our taxpayer money spent, to hassle an 81-year-old and law-abiding patients?” Cutler said.

Procopio said that the Massachusetts National Guard Counter Drug Team — working under the Domestic Cannabis Eradication and Suppression Program and using a Department of Justice grant — looks for marijuana plants that are “outside of a locked, enclosed location that is fully inaccessible to any other person” each year during the summer growing season.

The recently seized plants were transported to a storage building at the Massachusetts State Police headquarters in Framingham, where all will be destroyed in controlled burns at an incineration site. None of the property owners are facing charges.
Police chief unaware

Amherst Police Chief Scott Livingstone said he was unaware that such enforcement actions were taking place in Amherst. Mary Carey, spokeswoman for the Northwestern District Attorney’s office, said the district attorney had no role in the operation.

Sylvia Smith, who lives near Holcomb, said she was unaware of the marijuana plant growing on the neighboring property or the raid. Margaret Holcomb said she has informed some neighbors about the presence of the marijuana plant.

Tim Holcomb said that he finds it troubling law enforcement is occurring without bringing charges. “If the state has a problem with people being discreet, the state has to use due process,” Holcomb said.

He is also left wondering if part of the motivation behind such raids is so that patients can’t self-medicate, protecting the lucrative market of medical marijuana. He hopes to have a community meeting to address the topic and promote legalization. The consequence of marijuana being illegal, and drug laws, has led to a growing prison population and racial profiling, he said.

Tim Holcomb said his mother will see what legal avenues she can pursue.

“She’s called a criminal lawyer and plans to grow one for next year,” Tim Holcomb said of planting another marijuana plant.

For now, though, Margaret Holcomb may have to turn to getting a medical marijuana card. She worries about the challenges in getting a doctor to sign off on her need, and the costs of obtaining medicine with the only dispensary in Hampshire County provided by New England Treatment Access at 118 Conz St. in Northampton.

Holcomb said she understands the risks of growing another marijuana plant. But at her age and with her medical problems, she says she may just decide to plant the seed.

Scott Merzbach can be reached at smerzbach@gazettenet.com.

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Why does Massachuesetts need the national guard to do something that a migrant worker would do for practically nothing XD

Holcomb said he was told that as long as he did not demand that a warrant be provided to enter the property or otherwise escalate the situation, authorities would file no criminal charges.


I call bs.

   
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 LordofHats wrote:
Why does Massachuesetts need the national guard to do something that a migrant worker would do for practically nothing XD

Holcomb said he was told that as long as he did not demand that a warrant be provided to enter the property or otherwise escalate the situation, authorities would file no criminal charges.


I call bs.


That line stuck out for me as well. If you are raiding my home, you had better have a warrant ready and show it to me. If The State doesn’t want to press charges, that’s their deal. But this strikes me as bullying tactics by the authorities.

   
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 LordofHats wrote:
Why does Massachuesetts need the national guard to do something that a migrant worker would do for practically nothing XD

Holcomb said he was told that as long as he did not demand that a warrant be provided to enter the property or otherwise escalate the situation, authorities would file no criminal charges.


I call bs.


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 Nevelon wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
Why does Massachuesetts need the national guard to do something that a migrant worker would do for practically nothing XD

Holcomb said he was told that as long as he did not demand that a warrant be provided to enter the property or otherwise escalate the situation, authorities would file no criminal charges.


I call bs.


That line stuck out for me as well. If you are raiding my home, you had better have a warrant ready and show it to me. If The State doesn’t want to press charges, that’s their deal. But this strikes me as bullying tactics by the authorities.


When they leave to get a warrant, dispose of the plant the way nature intended.

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 LordofHats wrote:
Why does Massachuesetts need the national guard to do something that a migrant worker would do for practically nothing XD

Holcomb said he was told that as long as he did not demand that a warrant be provided to enter the property or otherwise escalate the situation, authorities would file no criminal charges.


I call bs.


If they weren't going to file criminal charges, why did they want into the property?
   
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 Frazzled wrote:


When they leave to get a warrant, dispose of the plant the way nature intended.


It was a full grown plant, right? Flushing it down the toilet would be a bit problematic.

I noticed this big op happened Sept 21. Well, gotta spend that end of fiscal year money somehow.

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On the other hand, why the hell not? If you're going to wage a ridiculous and unwinnable war on drugs, you might as well focus on ridiculous and easy to beat targets, so that it 'at least' looks like you're doing something productive with the tax money (sort of).

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I will agree that this was a pretty big waste of money. That being said, it was illegal, they spotted it from the air, so the search and seizure was not unconstitutional, and they had probable cause. Giving the residents the option of not having charges filed was a courtesy
   
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 cuda1179 wrote:
I will agree that this was a pretty big waste of money. That being said, it was illegal, they spotted it from the air, so the search and seizure was not unconstitutional, and they had probable cause. Giving the residents the option of not having charges filed was a courtesy


NOOOOOO. The Constitution disagrees with you and desires to smack you upside the head for that.

They didn't have a warrant. They weren't being nice. They didn't have a warrant.

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If you can see contraband, you don't need a warrant. SCOTUS struck down the use of thermal imaging to see "into" houses as an illegal search, but aerial observation for marijuana plants are extremely common in rural areas.

It's also been too long since Criminal Procedure, because the rules for non-homestead property is even looser.

It's super dumb, either way, but I also take a look at this from the cops perspective: you see pot growing in an old lady's backyard, you probably assume a relative is growing it without her knowledge. There is probably a better use of resources than an air assault on a raspberry garden.

   
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 cuda1179 wrote:
I will agree that this was a pretty big waste of money. That being said, it was illegal, they spotted it from the air, so the search and seizure was not unconstitutional, and they had probable cause. Giving the residents the option of not having charges filed was a courtesy


NOOOOOO. The Constitution disagrees with you and desires to smack you upside the head for that.

They didn't have a warrant. They weren't being nice. They didn't have a warrant.


Common sense would also like to have a word. What with the use of the National Guard on an 81 year old lady for 1 plant.
   
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What's the cost to fly a fully manned helicopter like that? Somewhere in the hundreds of dollars a minute, IIRC. Plus the goon squad on the ground knocking on doors. All that money, pissed away for one harmless weed, in an old lady's garden.

Give your fething head a shake.

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"If you can see contraband, you don't need a warrant. SCOTUS struck down the use of thermal imaging to see "into" houses as an illegal search, but aerial observation for marijuana plants are extremely common in rural areas. "
Interesting. Would be interesting to look at the current case law on it.


If medical weed is legal there (as it states) someone is trying to get rid of the competition.

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Well, it seems like she got caught in a net with bigger fish, but if they have plain view of the contraband, getting a warrant is no problem. And this isn't the 70s; they can just email or fax it over and keep an eye on the property. Tampering with the contraband with police staring at you is generally a bad idea. Additionally, it seems like they were more interested in destroying the contraband than arresting her.

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 jmurph wrote:

Much ado about nothing all around.


Except for the massively disproportionate use of resources. This is like hiring a 1000 dollar an hour lawyer to settle a ten dollar parking ticket.

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 feeder wrote:
 jmurph wrote:

Much ado about nothing all around.


Except for the massively disproportionate use of resources. This is like hiring a 1000 dollar an hour lawyer to settle a ten dollar parking ticket.


The seizures included an additional 21 plants in Amherst, with 16 on Montague Road and five on Potwine Lane; two plants on Cross Path Road in Northampton; and 20 in Hadley, with 10 plants on Honey Pot Road, eight on River Road and two on Pine Hill Road.


That's 84 or so plants. After several other raids. Is it disproportionate? I guess that's up to voters.

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 feeder wrote:
 jmurph wrote:

Much ado about nothing all around.


Except for the massively disproportionate use of resources. This is like hiring a 1000 dollar an hour lawyer to settle a ten dollar parking ticket.


And the potential for one of these trigger happy bozos to blow away pets and people. Sorry, if you're employing THE NATIONAL GUARD you've hit 13 on the 0-10 scale for going off the deep end.
People should be fired for this nonsense. Thats not policing. Thats occupation.

Pick up that can citizen.

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If they only targeted this old lady it would have been a total disproportionate force. It seems like they just stumbled upon her while taking out larger grow operations.

So, the $100 per hour attorney analogy is a little off. This is more of a " hire a $100 per hour attorney to fight your accident liability case, but while you have him on retainer might as well have him settle your parking ticket too." For all we know the only ground troops that showed up were a couple of uniformed officers.

Still a waste, but not as bad as stated.
   
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Yeah, people forget that the National Guard is basically a group of mostly part time volunteers under the state governor. So it is not strange to think that they may coordinate with state law enforcement on drug raids. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a big overlap between National Guard volunteers and LEOs. The article also doesn't detail the level of involvement. I am guessing it is mainly for equipment and probably just a limited task force.

She was just a small fish caught in a bigger net.

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I'm guessing the NG contributed the helicopter.

If you look at it as the Guard getting to train in urban landings, while the local LEOs get air mobility, that's what we call synergy.

This is also why so many sports events have flyovers: the local Air or Navy National Guard uses them for time on target practice.
   
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that's what we call synergy.


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A helicopter full of National Guard flying around all day to get a pickup truck full of outdoor plants? If I was a taxpayer in Mass I'd be furious.

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Man, no one really comes off well here at all. Beyond all the other things people have already mentioned, I'd wonder why the National Guard is performing law enforcement operations without a state of emergency declared.

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 Ouze wrote:
Man, no one really comes off well here at all. Beyond all the other things people have already mentioned, I'd wonder why the National Guard is performing law enforcement operations without a state of emergency declared.

This.

At least it wasn't the actual federal military.

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 Frazzled wrote:
"If you can see contraband, you don't need a warrant. SCOTUS struck down the use of thermal imaging to see "into" houses as an illegal search, but aerial observation for marijuana plants are extremely common in rural areas. "
Interesting. Would be interesting to look at the current case law on it.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_v._Riley

And it's entirely consistent with the idea that you don't need a warrant to look at something that is visible from public property. The air above your house is public property and you have no reasonable expectation of privacy against someone looking out the window while passing overhead, just like you don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy against someone driving by on the street outside your house.


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 feeder wrote:
A helicopter full of National Guard flying around all day to get a pickup truck full of outdoor plants? If I was a taxpayer in Mass I'd be furious.


Why? They have to fly a certain amount of training hours to stay current, so the actual cost to the taxpayer here was probably very little.

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 Polonius wrote:
I'm guessing the NG contributed the helicopter.

If you look at it as the Guard getting to train in urban landings, while the local LEOs get air mobility, that's what we call synergy.

This is also why so many sports events have flyovers: the local Air or Navy National Guard uses them for time on target practice.



Exactly this. When I was a kid, my uncle and his wing men used to buzz our farm in simulated attack runs. We thought it was one of the coolest things ever to see jets flying that low right at us.
They'd do about three to four runs and head off.
   
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 Ouze wrote:
Man, no one really comes off well here at all. Beyond all the other things people have already mentioned, I'd wonder why the National Guard is performing law enforcement operations without a state of emergency declared.

That's just what I was stopping in to ask too.

 
   
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 Ouze wrote:
Man, no one really comes off well here at all. Beyond all the other things people have already mentioned, I'd wonder why the National Guard is performing law enforcement operations without a state of emergency declared.

That's just what I was stopping in to ask too.


What law enforcing did the National Guard do?
   
 
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