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SheNUNigans!

@Red Corsair
I doubt they would move via "idiotic cost" considering their size but then again that's my personal opinion. As for the speculation on the design, fair enough but I posted in regards of the(ir) tooling capability and not on aesthetic grounds.

The "We can't cast the models consisten with the quality we want" was the Sisters of Battle equivalent of the "Tyranids at the Squats, now leave me alone."

The fact that people ever bought into that story is fairly amusing.

Sisters of Battle didn't get made on purpose. Sisters didn't get made because the demand for Sisters wasn't perceived to be high enough to justify replacing some other new product with Sisters of Battle. Now, with more designers and a better manufacturing process, Games Workshop has had the resources to devote to giving us essentially new product lines like AdMech Skitarii, Knights, and Genestealer Cult (given how long it's been since the models were available), and bringing back dormant lines like the Stormtroopers, Harlequins, Assassins, Deathwatch, etc.


What we're seeing here is a shift in the GW business model, and their attempts to broaden their product line to capture new customers, and sell more stuff to existing customers. This is important with a game that's been out for so long, because secondary markets like EBay are GW's biggest competitor. There are 30 years worth of Space Marines miniatures out in the world. But if you want these new products, you probably have to buy them new. I've, shudder, bought new-in-the-box GW products four times in the last two years after being a religious EBay Commando snaking all the best deals. How is that possible? GW has made things I want that don't exist on the secondary market.


This has nothing to do with GW suddenly being able to make multi-part Sisters of Battle.

 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
@Red Corsair
I doubt they would move via "idiotic cost" considering their size but then again that's my personal opinion. As for the speculation on the design, fair enough but I posted in regards of the(ir) tooling capability and not on aesthetic grounds.

Not disagreeing with you, your insight is great actually. I was just being as accurate to the original excuse as possible for why they never did it. The second explanation is just me trying to provide an example of a more likely reason. Either way, we will never know for sure.


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 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
The "We can't cast the models consisten with the quality we want" was the Sisters of Battle equivalent of the "Tyranids at the Squats, now leave me alone."

The fact that people ever bought into that story is fairly amusing.

Sisters of Battle didn't get made on purpose. Sisters didn't get made because the demand for Sisters wasn't perceived to be high enough to justify replacing some other new product with Sisters of Battle. Now, with more designers and a better manufacturing process, Games Workshop has had the resources to devote to giving us essentially new product lines like AdMech Skitarii, Knights, and Genestealer Cult (given how long it's been since the models were available), and bringing back dormant lines like the Stormtroopers, Harlequins, Assassins, Deathwatch, etc.


What we're seeing here is a shift in the GW business model, and their attempts to broaden their product line to capture new customers, and sell more stuff to existing customers. This is important with a game that's been out for so long, because secondary markets like EBay are GW's biggest competitor. There are 30 years worth of Space Marines miniatures out in the world. But if you want these new products, you probably have to buy them new. I've, shudder, bought new-in-the-box GW products four times in the last two years after being a religious EBay Commando snaking all the best deals. How is that possible? GW has made things I want that don't exist on the secondary market.


This has nothing to do with GW suddenly being able to make multi-part Sisters of Battle.

Actually I agree with everything you have said sop far ITT.

 Sabotage! wrote:
Well I guess my opinion is in the minority. I generally just don't like seeing armies of GKs, DW, or pure sisters at the 40k scale (though that scale is quickly changing with flyers and knights and what not). The militant arms of the Ordos always seemed to me like something an Inquisitor could requisition a few squads of for a mission, and that was that. But you know, it's 40k and you can play an Army of knights at what is essentially large skirmish scale. As long as Sister fans get something they are happy with after the huge wait then i'll be happy GW is finally starting to listen to their fan base.

I'm the same, I always thought grey knights were so much cooler when they were just a squad of terminators with halberds (and that was it tabletop wise, no more than one squad). They were far more mysterious and special that way.

GreenOak wrote:
I like the "G-rated" version, might have liked a "PG-13" version and wouldn't have anything to do with an "X-rated" or "adult themed" version, that's not something I want to see in my gaming world thanks

I would be fine with an adult version if “adult version” didn't mean “horny teenager version” but rather “require some maturity to appreciate” version. Sadly we all know it's never the case :(.


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endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
Well I guess my opinion is in the minority. I generally just don't like seeing armies of GKs, DW, or pure sisters at the 40k scale (though that scale is quickly changing with flyers and knights and what not). The militant arms of the Ordos always seemed to me like something an Inquisitor could requisition a few squads of for a mission, and that was that. But you know, it's 40k and you can play an Army of knights at what is essentially large skirmish scale. As long as Sister fans get something they are happy with after the huge wait then i'll be happy GW is finally starting to listen to their fan base.

I'm the same, I always thought grey knights were so much cooler when they were just a squad of terminators with halberds (and that was it tabletop wise, no more than one squad). They were far more mysterious and special that way.

Grey Knight are an elite group of space marines dedicated at fighting daemons. Deathwatch are an all-star team of space marines dedicated to fighting xenos. Both are very specific, highly specialized groups. So yeah, they don't make that much sense as whole armies. Sisters of battle are NOT a highly specialized group, they are the Ecclesiarchy all-purpose army. They do have a strong focus on being the Ecclesiarchy's internal affair department and on killing heretics but absolutely not to the extent of the other two groups, and they are explicitly described in the fluff as an army by their own right…

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
The "We can't cast the models consisten with the quality we want" was the Sisters of Battle equivalent of the "Tyranids at the Squats, now leave me alone."

The fact that people ever bought into that story is fairly amusing.

Sisters of Battle didn't get made on purpose. Sisters didn't get made because the demand for Sisters wasn't perceived to be high enough to justify replacing some other new product with Sisters of Battle. Now, with more designers and a better manufacturing process, Games Workshop has had the resources to devote to giving us essentially new product lines like AdMech Skitarii, Knights, and Genestealer Cult (given how long it's been since the models were available), and bringing back dormant lines like the Stormtroopers, Harlequins, Assassins, Deathwatch, etc.


What we're seeing here is a shift in the GW business model, and their attempts to broaden their product line to capture new customers, and sell more stuff to existing customers. This is important with a game that's been out for so long, because secondary markets like EBay are GW's biggest competitor. There are 30 years worth of Space Marines miniatures out in the world. But if you want these new products, you probably have to buy them new. I've, shudder, bought new-in-the-box GW products four times in the last two years after being a religious EBay Commando snaking all the best deals. How is that possible? GW has made things I want that don't exist on the secondary market.


This has nothing to do with GW suddenly being able to make multi-part Sisters of Battle.

You're trying to make these things mutually exclusive when they are not.

If cost to make Sisters as desired quality > expected sales then don't do it. At some point there would be a lack of will to revisit, but with the expanded team their ability to visit smaller off-shoots has increased dramatically.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

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endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
Well I guess my opinion is in the minority. I generally just don't like seeing armies of GKs, DW, or pure sisters at the 40k scale (though that scale is quickly changing with flyers and knights and what not). The militant arms of the Ordos always seemed to me like something an Inquisitor could requisition a few squads of for a mission, and that was that. But you know, it's 40k and you can play an Army of knights at what is essentially large skirmish scale. As long as Sister fans get something they are happy with after the huge wait then i'll be happy GW is finally starting to listen to their fan base.

I'm the same, I always thought grey knights were so much cooler when they were just a squad of terminators with halberds (and that was it tabletop wise, no more than one squad). They were far more mysterious and special that way.

Grey Knight are an elite group of space marines dedicated at fighting daemons. Deathwatch are an all-star team of space marines dedicated to fighting xenos. Both are very specific, highly specialized groups. So yeah, they don't make that much sense as whole armies. Sisters of battle are NOT a highly specialized group, they are the Ecclesiarchy all-purpose army. They do have a strong focus on being the Ecclesiarchy's internal affair department and on killing heretics but absolutely not to the extent of the other two groups, and they are explicitly described in the fluff as an army by their own right…

Good point, I knew there was some overlap between the Sisters and the Ecclesiarchy, but as I haven't read my Witch Hunter codex since 4th edition, I had spaced that they are technically the fighting forces of the Ecclesiarchy and in that regard are probably deployed in number by said organization. I had only remembered that they are the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Hereticus (which is bizarre they can belong in two organizations, though I guess what a high enough ranked Inquisitor says pretty much goes, regardless of how odd it is).

I know i'm in the minority, but I prefer the plastic daemonettes to the diaz ones. They are much more weird and sinister imo, while the Diaz ones look like cosplaying bimbos (not that there's anything wrong with that, especially if they are in my bed, but i's a less interesting concept imo)

 Sabotage! wrote:
I had only remembered that they are the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Hereticus (which is bizarre they can belong in two organizations, though I guess what a high enough ranked Inquisitor says pretty much goes, regardless of how odd it is).

Yeah that is weird fluff that only exists because GW had just released Inquisitor, the game with the huge miniatures, and decided they wanted to represent the Inquisition in 40k. So they decided to have a codex for each Ordo. But only Inquisitors wouldn't give enough material for a full codex, so they added Grey Knight to the Ordo Malleus (previously I don't know if they were affiliated with the Inquisition?), Sisters of Battle to the Ordo Hereticus (before they sometime worked together because of the Sisters role as Internal Affairs of the Ecclesiarchy, and specific hate for heretics) and Deathwatch for the Ordo Xenos (if I am not mistaken Deathwatch was introduced precisely in Inquisitor the Huge Models Game). But they never released Codex: Xenos Hunter.
Since then they downplayed the link with the Inquisition a lot for Sisters (and maybe for Grey Knights too?). For the Deathwatch though, their identity is very closely linked to the Ecclesiarchy, though from what I heard they now have Space Marine leaders rather than just obeying the Inquisition?

 streetsamurai wrote:
I know i'm in the minority, but I prefer the plastic daemonettes to the diaz ones. They are much more weird and sinister imo, while the Diaz ones look like cosplaying bimbos (not that there's anything wrong with that, especially if they are in my bed, but i's a less interesting concept imo)

A rumors thread is no place for wishlisting

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
I had only remembered that they are the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Hereticus (which is bizarre they can belong in two organizations, though I guess what a high enough ranked Inquisitor says pretty much goes, regardless of how odd it is).

Yeah that is weird fluff that only exists because GW had just released Inquisitor, the game with the huge miniatures, and decided they wanted to represent the Inquisition in 40k. So they decided to have a codex for each Ordo. But only Inquisitors wouldn't give enough material for a full codex, so they added Grey Knight to the Ordo Malleus (previously I don't know if they were affiliated with the Inquisition?), Sisters of Battle to the Ordo Hereticus (before they sometime worked together because of the Sisters role as Internal Affairs of the Ecclesiarchy, and specific hate for heretics) and Deathwatch for the Ordo Xenos (if I am not mistaken Deathwatch was introduced precisely in Inquisitor the Huge Models Game). But they never released Codex: Xenos Hunter.
Since then they downplayed the link with the Inquisition a lot for Sisters (and maybe for Grey Knights too?). For the Deathwatch though, their identity is very closely linked to the Ecclesiarchy, though from what I heard they now have Space Marine leaders rather than just obeying the Inquisition?

If I remember my 2nd edition books well enough, Grey Knights were always affiliated with the Ordo Malleus. I don't believe the deathwatch were even mentioned as existing that far back and the sisters I don't believe were affiliated with the Hereticus, at least not BEFORE the sisters codex was released in 2nd edition.

No idea about Rogue trader era, but to be honest, the fluff has changed so much since then it's hardly canon any more in my eyes.

 Souleater wrote:
SheNUNigans!

We should probably pester GW with false advertisement claims or something to try and get them to show us a sprue or anything really.

I find it sad, that many people associate nudity strickly with sexuality.

I join fellow posters above, who would like to see x-rated Sisters of Battle army freak show. Not because "SEX!!! BOOBIES!! misogyny!!!"

But because that would make their apperance Grim, Dark, Grotesque and Fanatical.



Boy, will it be difficult to wait for the first leaked pics
I hope the quality will be on par or better, than Skitarii and GCult Neophytes!

I had this reply on my post on Warhammer TV

Lady Atia says: it's true

Have asked for clarifcation on where she said it / he saw it.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
– 3 model Sisters unit on 50mm bases kit - This one is a curious one... No idea what it could be, probably something new as I can't think of a single thing sisters have that would require a larger base.

Well... I think the Centurion Warsuit would fit. Recovered from an STC design, meticulously examined for years and years to be affirmed as 'definitely not heretical', produced in mass quantities, and, iirc, not restricted to space marines for any technical reason...

I mean... it would be a realistic development, but obviously dubious from an artistic standpoint. So instead it'll be something remarkably similar in function to a centurion (thus filling a specific gap in the Sororitas' playstyle) but completely different looking and complete with its own overcomplicated back story.

As for the larger topic, I'm tentatively excited, but not quite willing to go dumpster diving just yet. At the very least it's an acknowledgement that the demand exists, even if it's the most blatant troll or sarcastic, it's preferable to aggressive denial that the demand exists at all.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I had this reply on my post on Warhammer TV

Lady Atia says: it's true

Have asked for clarifcation on where she said it / he saw it.

On her blog. Have screen shots for sake of ease.

Awesome - a good thing to go to bed on!

thanks

 Hive City Dweller wrote:
I don't see the remark as GW trolling. Sure, if he had said "plastic sisters" without any further details that might not mean much, but why go out of the way to specify "cool, this isn't released for months yet; plastic sisters of battle".

So far these videos have been used to announce new products and build hype. The only video that was jokingly put out to advertise a false product was their April fool's "left handed paintbrush" video. This makes me think it's real, but "months" probably puts us well into 2017 for Sisters release.

Tbh when I heard it I though it was an extremely hilarious joke by the warhammer world staff, who have been making plastic sisters of battle jokes for years now.... This however is clutching at straws..... it's obvious to tell he's talking about something completely different thus the 4-5 second gap between the "cool, this isn't released for months yet"..... "Plastic sisters of battle?".... hell his tone even changes.

While I wouldn't be surprised if GW's current mindset would indeed plastic sisters were on the way, knowing some of the WHW staff personally, this is equally likely to have been an epic troll.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
I had only remembered that they are the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Hereticus (which is bizarre they can belong in two organizations, though I guess what a high enough ranked Inquisitor says pretty much goes, regardless of how odd it is).

Yeah that is weird fluff that only exists because GW had just released Inquisitor, the game with the huge miniatures, and decided they wanted to represent the Inquisition in 40k. So they decided to have a codex for each Ordo. But only Inquisitors wouldn't give enough material for a full codex, so they added Grey Knight to the Ordo Malleus (previously I don't know if they were affiliated with the Inquisition?), Sisters of Battle to the Ordo Hereticus (before they sometime worked together because of the Sisters role as Internal Affairs of the Ecclesiarchy, and specific hate for heretics) and Deathwatch for the Ordo Xenos (if I am not mistaken Deathwatch was introduced precisely in Inquisitor the Huge Models Game). But they never released Codex: Xenos Hunter.
Since then they downplayed the link with the Inquisition a lot for Sisters (and maybe for Grey Knights too?). For the Deathwatch though, their identity is very closely linked to the Ecclesiarchy, though from what I heard they now have Space Marine leaders rather than just obeying the Inquisition?

That would make sense, as at that time I had never really delved into Inquisitor, and pretty much only played 40k. I was a bit bummed back when Codex: Xenos Hunters never came out (I'm a pretty big fan of both Ordos Xenos and Ordos Hereticus). It looks like the Deathwatch is still very closely linked to the Inquisition, but in their new book they have Space Marine leaders (Watchmasters I think they are called). To be honest I haven't been following the 40k fluff to closely in the last few years because 1). There is so much of it 2) A lot of it I read was really bad (particularly back in 5th edition/ early 6th). So I will defer to your knowledge on Sisters and their current stance in the 40k universe.

Despite that the Inquisition and the more shadowy side of 40k (Chaos/Genestealer cults, etc.) being my favorite aspects of the universe, the Inquisition doesn't have a huge place in a game of 40k, though I can see why GW would shoehornCodices in alongside Inquisitor to sell models (and also I really enjoyed the Witch Hunters book). I think Inquisitors are much more suited to small (and often vital) operations in games of Kill Team or Inquisitor, and maybe GW should just give them a set of White dwarf rules to be able to include an Inquisitor and a retinue in an Imperial army. The current Inquisition codex is a joke (both in that the retinues are very lackluster, there are next to no choices, and that you can build a full army of Inquisitional henchmen). The concept of 50-60 Inquisitional henchmen in Land Raiders running into a headlong battle with Chaos Space Marines is just silly. I imagine an Inquisitor would more likely just requisition some Guard of Space Marines if they really needed to engage in a small war.

Tangents aside though, I do hope that if GW does go through with plastic Sisters they give them a (mostly) full Dark Eldar style plastic release, rather than just one box of Infantry and an accessory sprue for vehicles.

 Sabotage! wrote:
So I will defer to your knowledge on Sisters and their current stance in the 40k universe.

Yes, that is the only part of the 40k universe where I can tell you about the current stance, and mostly because it hasn't had an occasion to change lately ^^.

 Sabotage! wrote:
Despite that the Inquisition and the more shadowy side of 40k (Chaos/Genestealer cults, etc.) being my favorite aspects of the universe, the Inquisition doesn't have a huge place in a game of 40k, though I can see why GW would shoehornCodices in alongside Inquisitor to sell models (and also I really enjoyed the Witch Hunters book). I think Inquisitors are much more suited to small (and often vital) operations in games of Kill Team or Inquisitor, and maybe GW should just give them a set of White dwarf rules to be able to include an Inquisitor and a retinue in an Imperial army.

I agree that Inquisitor works best as an ally for another/multiple other army. Requisitioning and bossing around everyone! Though I think it should still be possible to make a full army out of retinue because some people already build armies like that, and some Inquisitor apparently like having their own dudes with them.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
I find it sad, that many people associate nudity strickly with sexuality.

I join fellow posters above, who would like to see x-rated Sisters of Battle army freak show. Not because "SEX!!! BOOBIES!! misogyny!!!"

But because that would make their apperance Grim, Dark, Grotesque and Fanatical.



Boy, will it be difficult to wait for the first leaked pics
I hope the quality will be on par or better, than Skitarii and GCult Neophytes!

Why isn't there a faction with nude males as a unit? And multiple with nude/practically nude females in it?

there is one. Go look at DE. And which are these 40k factions that you speak of that have nude female models, bar SOB of course?

I don't need a "Sister Freak Show"... you have dark eldar and slaanesh for that. Let's hope GW does something different here.
Besides, I am the father to two lovely daughters who I am trying to share my love of miniature gaming with. The current line of sisters is great for showing powerful women who don't need to flaunt their sexuality (I also had great hopes for Captain Phasma... but I digress). Hopefully, Sisters can continue to be an army that I'm not ashamed to show my daughters (ours will have pink and purple streaks in their white hair... because, reasons."

Do dwarf and orruk butts in AoS count as naked male.factions?

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:
I'm excited. Read the whole thread, including the knuckle-dragging and chest-beating bits.
I think that GW will be true to form: Boxed game followed by a release.
The box will probably be sisters vs demons. Execution force has the cultists, and they aren't likely to step on those toes. Demons make sense, particularly with Thousand Sons being released before.
Ultimately, I see Sisters being a smaller release than Genestealers. more along the lines of Deathwatch because the vehicles get reused.
2 Infantry boxes make sense... Battle Sisters, Dominions, etc in one box. Veterans in another box (Celestians, etc)
Who knows what will be in on the rumored 50 mm bases.
They already have a plastic Immolator Sprue... not sure what needs to be done there.

Imagine if the opposing force was the lost and the damned and included an upgrade sprue much like the GC spurs for imperial guard.

Imagine if the opposing force was Necrons and the boxed game let you refight the Battle of Sanctuary 101.


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alphaecho wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:
I'm excited. Read the whole thread, including the knuckle-dragging and chest-beating bits.
I think that GW will be true to form: Boxed game followed by a release.
The box will probably be sisters vs demons. Execution force has the cultists, and they aren't likely to step on those toes. Demons make sense, particularly with Thousand Sons being released before.
Ultimately, I see Sisters being a smaller release than Genestealers. more along the lines of Deathwatch because the vehicles get reused.
2 Infantry boxes make sense... Battle Sisters, Dominions, etc in one box. Veterans in another box (Celestians, etc)
Who knows what will be in on the rumored 50 mm bases.
They already have a plastic Immolator Sprue... not sure what needs to be done there.

Imagine if the opposing force was the lost and the damned and included an upgrade sprue much like the GC spurs for imperial guard.

I'm wishlisting Sanctuary 101 mainly because I've been after an excuse to collect some Necrons as well as supplementing my Sisters.

Ninja'ed because I didn't read far enough

Imagine if the opposing force was Gray Knights, and they came with paintbrushes to anoint themselves with the blood of the sisters in order to fight daemons.

 crimson_caesar wrote:
Why isn't there a faction with nude males as a unit? And multiple with nude/practically nude females in it?

I remember an old White Dward story that came along with the rules for Frateris Militia. Included a fully naked crazed priest. I would be totally up for this. Would work great with the themes or crazy fanatic of the army. A bit concerned about the maturity of the other players and the inevitable unsophisticated, annoying jokes that are sure to go with an army consisting mostly of female model also including a nude male model, though…

Whoever thought these videos up is a god damn genius - awesome work.

Daedalus81 wrote:
You're trying to make these things mutually exclusive when they are not.

If cost to make Sisters as desired quality > expected sales then don't do it. At some point there would be a lack of will to revisit, but with the expanded team their ability to visit smaller off-shoots has increased dramatically.

There's no plausible scenario where the cost of a Sisters of Battle sprue was the balance between profiting on the product and not profiting on the product. Margins for GW's products were always pretty decent, which is why you can get product from online retailers for upwards of 25% off. A few extra cents in plastic wasn't going to break the bank on a product release. Especially given some of the wasteful sprue configurations we used to see.

Nah, it was always expected sales of Sisters vs expected sales of "something else".


I always point to the Necrons. The Necrons and the Sisters shared the same early development history. A limited metal figure range in 2nd Edition, then a larger re-release in metal for 3rd Edition.

For "some reason" the Necrons eventually got plastic troops and a complete model line revamp, and the Sisters did not. Of course, that "some reason' was expected sales. The Necrons figured out a way to displace "something else". Almost certainly because their limited metal range sold enough figures to suggest that a full army range would sell even more. In 1999, Sisters of Battle had just over 4 pages in the catalog. Necrons had 2. By 2004, the Necrons had plastic troops and the Sisters of Battle had gotten rolled into a codex with the Witch Hunters. A Codex that, mind you, didn't even require any Sisters of Battle models to play with.

It's not a very complicated product history, lol.