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So, Here's a question that may or may not be fan-fic territory or too stupid/awkward to think about, but I ask anyways

Could there be biological children of the primarchs that were born the "traditional" way? Say Leman russ or the Khan got lucky at one of his parties and got a girl knocked up? Maybe fulgrim was paired up in his society with someone, or Dorn had a Queen or something like that. Stupid shipping fuel I'm sure but the question is bugging me.

Hell, What about Demon Primarchs? I'm sure Fulgrim has no moral compass with his devotion to Slanessh, and would stoop low to the "Base" pleasures of man? Could he even sire a child then?

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
So, Here's a question that may or may not be fan-fic territory or too stupid/awkward to think about, but I ask anyways

Could there be biological children of the primarchs that were born the "traditional" way? Say Leman russ or the Khan got lucky at one of his parties and got a girl knocked up? Maybe fulgrim was paired up in his society with someone, or Dorn had a Queen or something like that. Stupid shipping fuel I'm sure but the question is bugging me.

Hell, What about Demon Primarchs? I'm sure Fulgrim has no moral compass with his devotion to Slanessh, and would stoop low to the "Base" pleasures of man? Could he even sire a child then?

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_High#The_Daughters

There you go. BTW, you've got 10 minutes before the composed kill team of inquisitorial stormtroopers, sororitas, grey knights, deathwatch and assassins start hunting your for heretical inquiries. Carry on citizens.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
So, Here's a question that may or may not be fan-fic territory or too stupid/awkward to think about, but I ask anyways

Could there be biological children of the primarchs that were born the "traditional" way? Say Leman russ or the Khan got lucky at one of his parties and got a girl knocked up? Maybe fulgrim was paired up in his society with someone, or Dorn had a Queen or something like that. Stupid shipping fuel I'm sure but the question is bugging me.

Hell, What about Demon Primarchs? I'm sure Fulgrim has no moral compass with his devotion to Slanessh, and would stoop low to the "Base" pleasures of man? Could he even sire a child then?

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_High#The_Daughters

There you go. BTW, you've got 10 minutes before the composed kill team of inquisitorial stormtroopers, sororitas, grey knights, deathwatch and assassins start hunting your for heretical inquiries. Carry on citizens.

....I wished for a longer discussion on this about an in-universe kind of setting, and include guys and stuff in this instead of having Waifu-bait

 Tiger9gamer wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
So, Here's a question that may or may not be fan-fic territory or too stupid/awkward to think about, but I ask anyways

Could there be biological children of the primarchs that were born the "traditional" way? Say Leman russ or the Khan got lucky at one of his parties and got a girl knocked up? Maybe fulgrim was paired up in his society with someone, or Dorn had a Queen or something like that. Stupid shipping fuel I'm sure but the question is bugging me.

Hell, What about Demon Primarchs? I'm sure Fulgrim has no moral compass with his devotion to Slanessh, and would stoop low to the "Base" pleasures of man? Could he even sire a child then?

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_High#The_Daughters

There you go. BTW, you've got 10 minutes before the composed kill team of inquisitorial stormtroopers, sororitas, grey knights, deathwatch and assassins start hunting your for heretical inquiries. Carry on citizens.

....I wished for a longer discussion on this about an in-universe kind of setting, and include guys and stuff in this instead of having Waifu-bait

Imagining our beloved primarch having filthy intercouse with lowly humans is heresy, so is speaking about the traitor ones at all.

The standard answer I hear, when it comes to interpreting that particular gap in knowledge ("Can Primarchs reproduce?"), is that the Emperor of Mankind had a specific purpose in his creation of Primarchs, but that purpose was secondary to his primary purpose in taking the reigns of power to begin with: To protect and expand human-kind's influence over the universe, and to give them sufficient time to evolve past the "terrible two's" equivalent of awakening psionic potential without a species-wide control over the same.

Given the Emperor did the designing of the Primarchs with the purpose of the ascendancy of human-kind, and not with the concept of replacing humans with a new race/species of superhumanity, that design would logically include a hard-wired prevention of any reproduction.

The only issue that might come up would be older fluff which, IIRC, involved a Space Wolf fathering a child on Fenris...but even that would be mitigated by the nature of how Space Marines gain their superhuman capabilities, and the further potential that Space Marine biological changes would explicitly not allow for the geneseed-specific genetic changes to apply to the changed human's production of gametes. Again, this was old fluff, but I believe the child was a normal human, despite the Space Wolf father, suggesting that reproduction wouldn't pass on SM genetics.

Because Primarchs ARE their genetic makeup from the get-go, they would need to be hard-wired through design to not produce gametes, or to produce gametes that are not viable when combined with normal human genetics (whether that viability be limited by death-in-the-womb or sterility, like mules).

Notably, the Emperor is (again, in older fluff) suggested to have produced offspring from previous... dalliances... with superhuman qualities... but that could still fit within the above, given the Emperor did not design his own body on the genetic level.

 Unusual Suspect wrote:
The standard answer I hear, when it comes to interpreting that particular gap in knowledge ("Can Primarchs reproduce?"), is that the Emperor of Mankind had a specific purpose in his creation of Primarchs, but that purpose was secondary to his primary purpose in taking the reigns of power to begin with: To protect and expand human-kind's influence over the universe, and to give them sufficient time to evolve past the "terrible two's" equivalent of awakening psionic potential without a species-wide control over the same.

Given the Emperor did the designing of the Primarchs with the purpose of the ascendancy of human-kind, and not with the concept of replacing humans with a new race/species of superhumanity, that design would logically include a hard-wired prevention of any reproduction.

The only issue that might come up would be older fluff which, IIRC, involved a Space Wolf fathering a child on Fenris...but even that would be mitigated by the nature of how Space Marines gain their superhuman capabilities, and the further potential that Space Marine biological changes would explicitly not allow for the geneseed-specific genetic changes to apply to the changed human's production of gametes. Again, this was old fluff, but I believe the child was a normal human, despite the Space Wolf father, suggesting that reproduction wouldn't pass on SM genetics.

Because Primarchs ARE their genetic makeup from the get-go, they would need to be hard-wired through design to not produce gametes, or to produce gametes that are not viable when combined with normal human genetics (whether that viability be limited by death-in-the-womb or sterility, like mules).

Notably, the Emperor is (again, in older fluff) suggested to have produced offspring from previous... dalliances... with superhuman qualities... but that could still fit within the above, given the Emperor did not design his own body on the genetic level.

Also let's not forget that whomever bed the Primarchs would have been left a bloody wreck by the of the session.

Very true, barring the Primarchs bedding with Ogryn females...

 Unusual Suspect wrote:
Very true, barring the Primarchs bedding with Ogryn females...

Don't give Fulgrim even more weird ideas (though I think he must have tought of it at least 10 times in this time).

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
So, Here's a question that may or may not be fan-fic territory or too stupid/awkward to think about, but I ask anyways

Could there be biological children of the primarchs that were born the "traditional" way? Say Leman russ or the Khan got lucky at one of his parties and got a girl knocked up? Maybe fulgrim was paired up in his society with someone, or Dorn had a Queen or something like that. Stupid shipping fuel I'm sure but the question is bugging me.

Hell, What about Demon Primarchs? I'm sure Fulgrim has no moral compass with his devotion to Slanessh, and would stoop low to the "Base" pleasures of man? Could he even sire a child then?

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_High#The_Daughters

There you go. BTW, you've got 10 minutes before the composed kill team of inquisitorial stormtroopers, sororitas, grey knights, deathwatch and assassins start hunting your for heretical inquiries. Carry on citizens.

Better run man

To put it simply: no. The Primarchs could not possibly reproduce in the traditional way, they are simply too big compared to a human. The only way they maybe could get kids is by artificial methods. And even then we don't know if Space Marines are fertile and able to produce children (yes, Space Wolves, but SW are a bit... special), let alone Primarchs. Maybe Russ could. It would kinda be in character for him to have a ton of bastards running around.

Definitely Russ would have some, if any of them did. But I agree with Captain and the others that it would be anatomically impossible via regular means, although possibly via artificial insemination (Dr. Bile would certainly try).

Also, I would imagine most of humanity is too busy trying to catch and kill pigeons for dinner to worry about primarchs.

There is no reason any of them may not have fathered children before their discovery, barr the errr.... Anatomical questions. With enough foreplay though, and considering what a vagina can do during child birth, if the primarch was well, careful shall we put it, then sex could happen. Whether they are fertile or have male genitals is another matter though.

Wasn't Abaddon meant to be very Horus like before he was even implanted?

 Unusual Suspect wrote:
Primarchs bedding with Ogryn females...

I got a warning on warseer for this one ... in fact I didn't even mention bedding, I just said they partnered well in stature!

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
There is no reason any of them may not have fathered children before their discovery, barr the errr.... Anatomical questions. With enough foreplay though, and considering what a vagina can do during child birth, if the primarch was well, careful shall we put it, then sex could happen. Whether they are fertile or have male genitals is another matter though.

Okay, the primarch could flip tanks. Screw foreplay the bone structure would shatter from the massive force.

Lord Kragan wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
There is no reason any of them may not have fathered children before their discovery, barr the errr.... Anatomical questions. With enough foreplay though, and considering what a vagina can do during child birth, if the primarch was well, careful shall we put it, then sex could happen. Whether they are fertile or have male genitals is another matter though.

Okay, the primarch could flip tanks. Screw foreplay the bone structure would shatter from the massive force.

There's a humungous difference between having the force to flip a tank, and using the force to flip a tank. If they were that naturally powerful at all times, they would produce enough force to destroy humans by just walking into them at a casual pace.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
To put it simply: no. The Primarchs could not possibly reproduce in the traditional way, they are simply too big compared to a human. The only way they maybe could get kids is by artificial methods. And even then we don't know if Space Marines are fertile and able to produce children (yes, Space Wolves, but SW are a bit... special), let alone Primarchs. Maybe Russ could. It would kinda be in character for him to have a ton of bastards running around.

You should watch some videoes about what females are able to do.
I think it is possible, although certain primarchs would just not be interested in intercourse with females, some would like Sanguinius, Fulgrim (only artists :p), Vulkan could have been a family man. And we don't know if Primarchs before they were found on their planet had fake/or real families.

I feel some Alpha/Omegon fanfiction coming on

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I feel some Alpha/Omegon fanfiction coming on

Such as they were father/son and not really twins?

Why would they though, they don't seem to be interested in having families or settling down. They don't seem to have been created that way, the need to breed not part of their genetic makeup. If they were off making and raising babies, would they be doing what they were supposed to do and would their minds be able to concentrate on fighting wars if they did have offspring.

Some do have adopted families like Dorn and Guilliman, but I think that's due to their adopted parents rather than the Primarchs themselves. Brotherhood is more important than parenthood.

Maybe the missing primarchs aren't actually missing but because they somehow managed to sow their oats a great deal and had large families the Emperor left them be. He didn't give them a Legion because they already had a legion of mini primarchs.

Many Primarchs (or all?) ended up as rulers of the worlds they were scattered to. Rulers are generally expected to marry, and one would imagine even those Primarchs not interested in women could have married for political reasons. A nice bloody war is all well and good but getting a strong tribe/clan/faction to join yours through marriage is also good.

Whether there was any offspring is another question. As mentioned the Emperor didn't intend to replace humanity with marines, he made tools to help humanity fight wars.

Spetulhu wrote:
Many Primarchs (or all?) ended up as rulers of the worlds they were scattered to. Rulers are generally expected to marry, and one would imagine even those Primarchs not interested in women could have married for political reasons. A nice bloody war is all well and good but getting a strong tribe/clan/faction to join yours through marriage is also good.

Whether there was any offspring is another question. As mentioned the Emperor didn't intend to replace humanity with marines, he made tools to help humanity fight wars.

The issue is that none of you guys are properly thinking about the figure of the primarchs. They aren't mere "rulers" or "men". They are demi-gods walking the earth, capable of breathtaking acts and surpassing humans in almost every aspect. There's a whole world of difference for them to relate or desire about humans, regardless of care and the like.

Lord Kragan wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:
Many Primarchs (or all?) ended up as rulers of the worlds they were scattered to. Rulers are generally expected to marry, and one would imagine even those Primarchs not interested in women could have married for political reasons. A nice bloody war is all well and good but getting a strong tribe/clan/faction to join yours through marriage is also good.

Whether there was any offspring is another question. As mentioned the Emperor didn't intend to replace humanity with marines, he made tools to help humanity fight wars.

The issue is that none of you guys are properly thinking about the figure of the primarchs. They aren't mere "rulers" or "men". They are demi-gods walking the earth, capable of breathtaking acts and surpassing humans in almost every aspect. There's a whole world of difference for them to relate or desire about humans, regardless of care and the like.

You should read about Norse and Greek Gods, they were Horny buggers and had a slew of offspring roaming the earth

I'm of the opinion that the Primarchs wee unable to breed with base humans. I concede that they may have had 'urges' and many probably acted on them, or at least tried, but I don't think they would have been capable of producing offspring, as the Primarchs weren't human, they were their own species, made by the Emperor, simply based on the human genome, but taken above and beyond it.
What Primarchs would/could have undertaken romantic relationships is probably better left for another discussion, but it does make sense that many may have been betrothed at points in their lives.

I don't think a Primarch and a human would be genetically compatible.

In some texts of the Wolves they tell the story of a guy called "Lukas the thrickster" that used to go to the villages of humans in Fenris to have fun with the ladies and none blamed him because "in the end, he was not able to get any of them pregnant, so no harm was done". As the marines are not genetically compatible with humans, we may assume that primarchs are even less able to have real "children", so nope, I dont think its possible in the "typical way of having a child" for them. You can ask Fabius anyway, I'm sure he'd be able to find a scientific way for that....

i agree with the whole thing about Primarchs and Space Marines being sterile for a couple of reasons

1) They already mentally condition space marines to get rid of fear and all that. I don't think it'd would be hard at all to add in not feeling any fatherly ties to children or families and establish a breeding program of some kind, something like what has been mentioned on Krieg and the Dk.

2) If they could breed I think it would make the whole selection/transformation process pretty irrelevant for space marines. I mean if you could breed the perfect warrior and raise it from birth to fight (Sparta?) then why even have a selection process. It seems to take just as much time to select, transform, and train a space marine as it would take to raise one. Maybe even shorter if they have an accelerated growth like the Primarchs and space marines. Not to mention the time saved for fleet based chapters having to move from planet to planet.

3) Its a control issue. Space Marines and the Primarchs are dependent on Geneseed and the Imperium and what not when it comes to making space marines. I mean a lot of work and technology goes into it. Plus, space marines are limited to how many they can make at any one time by the amount of possible candidates, recruiting worlds, etc. If they could just breed whenever they wanted it wouldn't take long for space marines to be back to Pre-Heresy legion strength or bigger and they could found a new chapter pretty easily by setting aside one generation. I mean they could just say that every marine has to farther 4 children before ascension and boom. 1000 becomes 4000 in about 20 years or less (granted there would be battlefield losses).


The only Space Wolf I can think of that fathered a child is Ragnar Blackmane. IIRC, he was a little older than most candidates when he's taken and has already had a kid but I wouldn't really consider this being a space marine as having a child because he wasn't a space marine then. I could be completely wrong about this though.

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