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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
I hope that Trukk is going to get a full War Rig conversion, Grump, complete with Warboyz clinging to the side wearing white warpaint

One of the models for my good lady's mob is holding a can of silver spray paint... and she has a habit of yelling 'Witness Me!' while playing....

Megan (my good lady and confirmed nerd-girl), Julie (Jon's nerd-girl wife) and Trang (not a gamer, not a nerd-girl, but is really kicking our butts) are the folks that overruled me when I was starting to set up a Mordheim campaign...

Fury Road is a chick flick? Who knew? And all are married ladies. (Molly (the Younger) is neither a nerd-girl nor married - but is our resident RPG combat-wombat - is just playing for the chaos.)

Jake, Trang's husband, is not able to play in this campaign, scheduling for grownups sucks.... The orks that Trang currently uses were his - from the old 2nd edition 40K box....

These will be the first 40K models that I have painted in... six years? (My own mob is from Kromlech, as is my good lady wife's. For the record, my good lady is also kicking my butt - GorkaMorka is as much a game about risk management as it is about resource management - and I am much better at resource management than risk management. As a result, I avoid going too fast.... At heart, I am not an ork. )

The Auld Grump - the first new model that he got her was a new Boss for her mob - armed with a power klaw, which we ignore, since there are no power klaws in GorkaMorka - we treat it as a choppa instead.

*EDIT* Oh, yeah... the topic... The point that I forgot to make was that even having a modest savings on buying both the Trukk and the Boyz together was enough to tip a buyer from just looking to getting one in the hopes that it will help get his wife into gaming. Also. Trang is quite possibly an Ork, herself.... (She shares my birth date - I sometimes call her my evil twin. For her part, she also calls herself my evil twin....)

*EDIT 2* I was wondering if I had been to hard on GW, then looked at the 'Deff Dread' in the Start Collecting box and realized 'not all the time, no... 'cause [/i]that[/i] does look like crap... though the Boyz look okay.)

 filbert wrote:
It smacks of artificial scarcity, something that Nintendo have been accused of/got in trouble for in the past.

This, they did the same thing with that "Limited" Sister model, all you had to do was go in and ask for one and they had them or could get them.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Well, I don't think they've improved that much. The only money I've spent on GW in 2016 was my White Dwarf subs.
However, I've been tempted a few times by those new Admech models.

Anyway, low and behold, out of the blue the other day comes an email from GW with a "New Year, New Army" type title. There's a bargain of models up. So, within an hour of receiving the email, I've clicked the link to buy it.

Well, the image I've hopefully posted shows the email at the top with the click link.
The lower part of the image shows what I was greeted with.

If GW are improving, why are they sending me emails trying to get me to buy models that are "no longer available"?
I'd understand it if I was clicking on a link for a Limited Edition model or book, but to have 3 out of 4 of their "New Year, New Army" as No Longer Available. How the heck do they expect people to bother playing (or collecting) again?

Seriously? That's what you're going to complain about?

They're just getting rid of Christmas stock. Given how they run multiple web stores, it's probably very sensible idea for them to create a single email that goes to everyone (all are still available on the Aus web store). And in reality it looks far better for them to offer you 4 things and have 3 out of stock than to send you an email offering only the space wolves.... plus you can still browse the damn web store and find all the other Start Collecting bundles...

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The FoC system to me is silly because not all choices in a slot are equal and the restriction of a FoC is highly dependent on both the army choice and the points value. You often feel arbitrarily limited in some armies and points levels while other armies and points levels are quite free.

Both of those arquments fit also to % system just as well...

tneva82 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The FoC system to me is silly because not all choices in a slot are equal and the restriction of a FoC is highly dependent on both the army choice and the points value. You often feel arbitrarily limited in some armies and points levels while other armies and points levels are quite free.

Both of those arquments fit also to % system just as well...

I'd say "not quite just as well". A % system isn't perfect and as I said originally I'd probably combine it with separate restrictions (and maybe allowances), but a FoC system is trash by design.

Also a % system doesn't suffer if not all choices in a slot are equal, if one choice is worth less you're allowed to take more of it, compared to a FoC system where even if a choice is worth 50pts it takes up a slot the same as another choice that might be 200pts. And a % system isn't as dependent on army choice and points, in a FoC the maximum allowance hits an MSU army more than a deathstar army.

For someone who cried so much about me daring to mention "0-1" you're weirdly attached to a FoC system which basically amounts to "1-2 of this, 0-2 of that, 2-6 of this, 0-3 of that and 0-3 of that and 0-1 of that other thing".

Trasvi wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Well, I don't think they've improved that much. The only money I've spent on GW in 2016 was my White Dwarf subs.
However, I've been tempted a few times by those new Admech models.

Anyway, low and behold, out of the blue the other day comes an email from GW with a "New Year, New Army" type title. There's a bargain of models up. So, within an hour of receiving the email, I've clicked the link to buy it.

Well, the image I've hopefully posted shows the email at the top with the click link.
The lower part of the image shows what I was greeted with.

If GW are improving, why are they sending me emails trying to get me to buy models that are "no longer available"?
I'd understand it if I was clicking on a link for a Limited Edition model or book, but to have 3 out of 4 of their "New Year, New Army" as No Longer Available. How the heck do they expect people to bother playing (or collecting) again?

Seriously? That's what you're going to complain about?

They're just getting rid of Christmas stock. Given how they run multiple web stores, it's probably very sensible idea for them to create a single email that goes to everyone (all are still available on the Aus web store). And in reality it looks far better for them to offer you 4 things and have 3 out of stock than to send you an email offering only the space wolves.... plus you can still browse the damn web store and find all the other Start Collecting bundles...

So you're really saying that because the item I wanted wasn't in stock, I should have just browsed and bought something else because I'd been suckered into following a link to something they no longer offer. Wow. You must be a) easy to please and b) an ideal GW customer.

I get your point about mass emails, but if it had said 'last chance to buy christmas box sets' I would have understood, but on the 1st of January to say 'new year new army' made it feel like a new deal or place to start.

Mybe you just missed out and other people brought them before you. Unfortunatly we will never know if the stock ran out before or after the email. I think games workshop has got better its far from perfect but what is

 Asmodai wrote:

 Mangod wrote:
... would some kind of revised "core tax" help here?

Like... all non-Character units in your army are divided into Common, Uncommon and Rare categories; for every 2 Common units in your army, you get to add 1 Uncommon unit; for every 3 Common Units, you get to add 1 Rare unit?

Nah, that sort of thing just leads to people taking squads of 5 Scouts to unlock the good stuff. It doesn't solve the stuff that many units are miscosted and super-heavies and gargantuans shouldn't exist in small games.

I'd like faction-specific FoC's, but I'm also good with a percentage system, e.g. >40% on Troops, <20% for each of HQ, Elites, Fast Attack, Heavy Support, <10% Flyers, <10% Fortifications, <10% Lords of War. You could vary that for different factions.

That would restrict the huge things to larger games and prevent flyer-spam but also allow a huge amount of flexibility in how an army is built.

It would require some basic math skills, however, which probably rules it out.

Yes because it's so much fun when you have to fill your army with crap you don't want to play, don't like the models and ... right.


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 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:


I'd like faction-specific FoC's, but I'm also good with a percentage system, e.g. >40% on Troops, <20% for each of HQ, Elites, Fast Attack, Heavy Support, <10% Flyers, <10% Fortifications, <10% Lords of War. You could vary that for different factions.

This does not fix Phil Kelly and Jeremy Vetock undercosting Eldar and Tau stuff because are their armies.

Yes, and who wrote Necrons and Space Marines... because those are clearly just as bad.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:


The price of chaos warriors and the like has gone down on a model per model basis. It was 31 euros for 12 chaos warriors, now they charge you 35 euros for sixteen chaos warriors.

So GW slapped in an extra sprue that costs them about 2p to make and charges us an extra 4 euros.
How generous of them.

I understand how this is 'better value', but overall for a kid going into a shop to buy models with his pocketmoney, it's yet another item drifting to higher prices.

Didn't caught this on the moment but nevertheless, your argument is laughable. A kid ain't going to start wargaming (or build up its armies) with his pocket money. I began wargaming at age fifteen and I didn't do so with my pocked money, nor any of the friends of my age did so. I waited for christmass or a celebration and then get the cash from my gifts to buy as much as I could. And this is something kids do that I've seen all over the place, not just in wargaming: wait for a big haul and then buy it. It's something tied in to not having a steady income.

That or just be a spoiled kid that gets to buy everything he wants because parents have more cash than care.

Pocketmoney was (and is) for day to day stuff, not, assuming perry miniatures prices, sacrificing 3 weeks of instant gratification for a couple of days of having to spend days doing assembling and painting (I mean, I've met more kids who asked GW employees to assemble the minis for them than the opposite) using materials that would well cost another week of pocket money and instant gratification, all for having a small part of what I need (because even with PM I'd be nowhere close to build a fully fledged bretonnian army with just one box).

Wayniac wrote:

 Polonius wrote:

I think we can agree that, yes, GW has gotten better, and based on this thread, we can also agree that many people don't understand what "getting better" means.

You mean people have different views on what "getting better" means. That does not at all mean they "don't understand" because "getting better" is 100% subjective. For some, the small steps they have done is enough. For others, the game rules being a mess and prices still being high across the board mean it's not so much better.

Actually, I think there's a very simple proof that they do not understand what "getting better" means.

Basically, it's supposed to be the opposite of "getting worse".

I'm sure all the GW haters will agree that the following list of actions would consist in GW "getting worse":

- Releasing less standalone games
- Releasing less miniature ranges
- Leaving AoS to rot without any new rules
- Keeping the pile of 2nd Ed miniatures as high as ever
- Not offering any 40% off bundles
etc.


If you don't agree that these are examples of "getting worse", then maybe you have a very different opinion.

If you do agree, that means that GW has indeed "gotten better" even if you don't give a gak that they did.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:


The price of chaos warriors and the like has gone down on a model per model basis. It was 31 euros for 12 chaos warriors, now they charge you 35 euros for sixteen chaos warriors.

So GW slapped in an extra sprue that costs them about 2p to make and charges us an extra 4 euros.
How generous of them.

I understand how this is 'better value', but overall for a kid going into a shop to buy models with his pocketmoney, it's yet another item drifting to higher prices.

Didn't caught this on the moment but nevertheless, your argument is laughable. A kid ain't going to start wargaming (or build up its armies) with his pocket money. I began wargaming at age fifteen and I didn't do so with my pocked money, nor any of the friends of my age did so. I waited for christmass or a celebration and then get the cash from my gifts to buy as much as I could. And this is something kids do that I've seen all over the place, not just in wargaming: wait for a big haul and then buy it. It's something tied in to not having a steady income.

That or just be a spoiled kid that gets to buy everything he wants because parents have more cash than care.

Pocketmoney was (and is) for day to day stuff, not, assuming perry miniatures prices, sacrificing 3 weeks of instant gratification for a couple of days of having to spend days doing assembling and painting (I mean, I've met more kids who asked GW employees to assemble the minis for them than the opposite) using materials that would well cost another week of pocket money and instant gratification, all for having a small part of what I need (because even with PM I'd be nowhere close to build a fully fledged bretonnian army with just one box).

Your argument is "laughable", growing up I bought a blister pack with my pocket money each week and would slowly build up my army. The reason this is no longer viable is because GW raised its prices to absurd levels.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 filbert wrote:
It smacks of artificial scarcity, something that Nintendo have been accused of/got in trouble for in the past.

Totally. I mean, they clearly didn't sell that well (except maybe the mechanicus/DW) because they haven't re-released them (which they'd have done like with spire of dawn). But we don't know for sure so that's especulation.

Really ???

In a market where every single buyer complains about the price, you think that a vast majority are going to pass an offer to get produce at 30% off before any resale rebate ?

I have way too many Eldar and I could have bought one of these boxes if there was one for Eldar.

That's how much we're looking for a bargain.

Hell, people are buying entire armies of chinese recasts at 40-50% off when the resin just can't be as good as the plastic (glue, warp, risk of paying customs, ...), so there clearly is a large market of bargain hunters.

morgoth wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 filbert wrote:
It smacks of artificial scarcity, something that Nintendo have been accused of/got in trouble for in the past.

Totally. I mean, they clearly didn't sell that well (except maybe the mechanicus/DW) because they haven't re-released them (which they'd have done like with spire of dawn). But we don't know for sure so that's especulation.

Really ???

In a market where every single buyer complains about the price, you think that a vast majority are going to pass an offer to get produce at 30% off before any resale rebate ?

I have way too many Eldar and I could have bought one of these boxes if there was one for Eldar.

That's how much we're looking for a bargain.

Hell, people are buying entire armies of chinese recasts at 40-50% off when the resin just can't be as good as the plastic (glue, warp, risk of paying customs, ...), so there clearly is a large market of bargain hunters.

Mind you, they sold out well, but I doubt they sold as fast and well as the Gee-dubs guys wanted. IoB got a re-release and it was sold out literally almost seconds after release (I wanted to buy, went on 11:20 to buy it and found there were none already, it sold that fast).

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Lord Kragan wrote:


Didn't caught this on the moment but nevertheless, your argument is laughable. A kid ain't going to start wargaming (or build up its armies) with his pocket money. I began wargaming at age fifteen and I didn't do so with my pocked money, nor any of the friends of my age did so. I waited for christmass or a celebration and then get the cash from my gifts to buy as much as I could. And this is something kids do that I've seen all over the place, not just in wargaming: wait for a big haul and then buy it. It's something tied in to not having a steady income.

That or just be a spoiled kid that gets to buy everything he wants because parents have more cash than care.

Pocketmoney was (and is) for day to day stuff, not, assuming perry miniatures prices, sacrificing 3 weeks of instant gratification for a couple of days of having to spend days doing assembling and painting (I mean, I've met more kids who asked GW employees to assemble the minis for them than the opposite) using materials that would well cost another week of pocket money and instant gratification, all for having a small part of what I need (because even with PM I'd be nowhere close to build a fully fledged bretonnian army with just one box).

Well... I bought and built up my Citadel figures buying a blister weekly with my pocket money.

Not everyone is quite as young and spoilt as you came across in that post. Just remember that as less and less people afford the hobby, there's less potential gamers in the future.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Well... I bought and built up my Citadel figures buying a blister weekly with my pocket money.

Not everyone is quite as young and spoilt as you came across in that post. Just remember that as less and less people afford the hobby, there's less potential gamers in the future.

This. My first army was Dwarves and I built them up by saving pocket money for blister packs.

Well, when I wasn't buying pokemon cards

Lord Kragan wrote:

morgoth wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 filbert wrote:
It smacks of artificial scarcity, something that Nintendo have been accused of/got in trouble for in the past.

Totally. I mean, they clearly didn't sell that well (except maybe the mechanicus/DW) because they haven't re-released them (which they'd have done like with spire of dawn). But we don't know for sure so that's especulation.

Really ???

In a market where every single buyer complains about the price, you think that a vast majority are going to pass an offer to get produce at 30% off before any resale rebate ?

I have way too many Eldar and I could have bought one of these boxes if there was one for Eldar.

That's how much we're looking for a bargain.

Hell, people are buying entire armies of chinese recasts at 40-50% off when the resin just can't be as good as the plastic (glue, warp, risk of paying customs, ...), so there clearly is a large market of bargain hunters.

Mind you, they sold out well, but I doubt they sold as fast and well as the Gee-dubs guys wanted. IoB got a re-release and it was sold out literally almost seconds after release (I wanted to buy, went on 11:20 to buy it and found there were none already, it sold that fast).

The Battleforces were created specifically as christmas bundles. Its only an insidious 'artificial scarcity' ploy if you consider every other company doing christmas sales 'artificial scarcity' as well.
GW wants to sell as few of them as possible, and get back to selling full price bundles again. This is a particular problem for many GW sets as many of the battleforces appeal to veteran players. Many other games get around that by having a portion of the 'value' of a starter set tied up in a one-of miniature (eg, Warmachine bundles come with a Warlock that you have no use for a second one), but GW doesn't do that.
What is evident is that GW has issues anticipating demand. Selling out is better than having stuff sitting on shelves, but selling out in days/hours is also bad. I have a feeling that's purely to do with inventory management and just-in-time production, but they're not quite getting the numbers.

I think GW are running quite a few experiments, and the battleforces may be one of them.

I would be very surprised if they don't reprint them and if those don't become a permanent part of their product line once more.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:


Didn't caught this on the moment but nevertheless, your argument is laughable. A kid ain't going to start wargaming (or build up its armies) with his pocket money. I began wargaming at age fifteen and I didn't do so with my pocked money, nor any of the friends of my age did so. I waited for christmass or a celebration and then get the cash from my gifts to buy as much as I could. And this is something kids do that I've seen all over the place, not just in wargaming: wait for a big haul and then buy it. It's something tied in to not having a steady income.

That or just be a spoiled kid that gets to buy everything he wants because parents have more cash than care.

Pocketmoney was (and is) for day to day stuff, not, assuming perry miniatures prices, sacrificing 3 weeks of instant gratification for a couple of days of having to spend days doing assembling and painting (I mean, I've met more kids who asked GW employees to assemble the minis for them than the opposite) using materials that would well cost another week of pocket money and instant gratification, all for having a small part of what I need (because even with PM I'd be nowhere close to build a fully fledged bretonnian army with just one box).

Well... I bought and built up my Citadel figures buying a blister weekly with my pocket money.

Not everyone is quite as young and spoilt as you came across in that post. Just remember that as less and less people afford the hobby, there's less potential gamers in the future.

Then again, country differences I guess. Where I come from, pocket money is described as minimal and you generally wait for big hauls and go big.

Now, what are we going to resort to namecalling? Whow, so it turns out that, when combining three festivities' worth of money, I can buy a handful boxes makes me a spoilt brat, apparently. nevermind that I did not have pocket money until I hit the university, because I was not given allowances! (Which is not really a thing where I come from, minors usually don't have their own pocket money). Nevermind that the argument was that children (so that kind of throws out of the equation the young part) generally speaking won't sacrifice a month worth of going to the cinema/hanging with friedns/or other things for a single box that will just be a minor part of the whole picture. A blister ain't a whole box and you know it, and just by work of inflation the prices weren't the same 30 years ago.

I remember that this is actually more affordable. You'd need three boxes (93 eur on old price) versus the two boxes now (70 eur on current price) to have a functional force of WoC in AoS (not quite 1k pts but surely a bit smaller game just to get a handle of it). Your argument is totally lopsided because the evidence is showing that the prices go down in terms of content needed. To further your argument of "it will stretch the goal futher away" yeah, it will stretch it a bit, and take one out of the way. If I need three goals to start and suddenly they move the goalposts of two a bit further away while removing the third I'll take less to reach the end.

Pocket money was always pretty low in the UK too, but then so were GW prices. I'd easily be able to buy a blister every weekend or so (maybe £5 pocket money, £3 blister, and some sweets).

That'd be a lot harder to achieve now because (a) in-store blisters are all plastic and start at about £9, and (b) there's a lot less blisters as it's all moved to larger boxes.

To be fair, very few gaming companies have genuinely pocket money blisters now (Reaper and Warlord being 2 of them). Perry blisters are fairly rare, and a troop box at £20 is not in pocket money range, despite it being about £0.50 per mini.

Even as a 30 year old with a good wage, there's very little in a GW store under my impulse-buy radar. My FLGS is dangerous for my wallet largely due to the Reaper shelves and bargain bin.

Can we all agree GW needs to pump their breaks on single blister pack models? I mean, $20.00 USD for a single, often times, mono pose no option model.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Can we all agree GW needs to pump their breaks on single blister pack models? I mean, $20.00 USD for a single, often times, mono pose no option model.

What is not fair is go beyond that for any kind of character, like ahriman or kharn did, or the magos dominus. 13-15 (18-20 dollars) euros should be acceptable for what is essentially a model you'll only buy once per army, so long he's well detailed and has a options. The monopose can be given a pass IMO.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Can we all agree GW needs to pump their breaks on single blister pack models? I mean, $20.00 USD for a single, often times, mono pose no option model.

What is not fair is go beyond that for any kind of character, like ahriman or kharn did, or the magos dominus. 13-15 (18-20 dollars) euros should be acceptable for what is essentially a model you'll only buy once per army, so long he's well detailed and has a options. The monopose can be given a pass IMO.

Well I really bring forward this complaint with the most recent issue of it.

That ugly ass apoth they sold that was from forge world was 40 bucks USD it's just getting down right ridiculous. I could see 20 bucks max but more then that is just silly, again, my opinion that is.

RE: Clampacks, for special characters it makes sense to have the mono-pose. But they go overboard, in that many characters in general are monopose kits when they should be multi-part kits. A "Space Marine Chaplain" kit for example should come with a regular body, a terminator body, and a jump pack as an example, with a variety of weapon options (bike would have to be left out, but should be easy to get a bike and add the Chaplain-specific torso to it).

The biggest thing for me has always been how they package weapon options. It is absolutely beyond stupid to have a box that has 1 of each weapon, and then only a single type of another (looking at you, Tactical Squad/Chaos Squad), when you have the option for a variety. Either give the entire gamut of options OR restrict them, by which I mean instead of being able to take up to 2 of each kind of weapon, you could only get 1 of each (because that's what comes in the kit). Especially with the removal of the bitz service, this is one of the most annoying things when you need to buy an entire second box, or scour ebay/bitz sellers and pay a marked-up price for a single special weapon because GW can't put enough choices in the box. It infuriates me, also on things like tau Crisis Suits, which was fine back in the original days as IIRC you couldn't take two of the same (it was twin-linked) so you mixed weapons, but now when you want like all plasma or something, well you don't get enough plasma rifles in a single Crisis box to give all of them plasma rifles (unless that changed with the new kit, which I doubt), you have to buy a second or even third kit or extra commanders or whatever just to get the options to kit out one freaking squad the way you want. It's ridiculous.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Well... I bought and built up my Citadel figures buying a blister weekly with my pocket money.

I did the same.

I had an interesting conversation on this topic recently with one of my Wife's friends. I keep a couple of display cabinets in my living room with some of my toys in them which she noticed and said that her son had expressed an interest in 40k so she had a look in the GW in town. She was so put off by the prices that she refused to get her son anything and she didn't even want any of my 40k stuff that is currently moldering away in the garage in case it would encourage him. She can certainly afford GW's prices, she went Skiing in France over Christmas, but the 'sticker shock' was obviously too much for her.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Well... I bought and built up my Citadel figures buying a blister weekly with my pocket money.

I did the same.

I had an interesting conversation on this topic recently with one of my Wife's friends. I keep a couple of display cabinets in my living room with some of my toys in them which she noticed and said that her son had expressed an interest in 40k so she had a look in the GW in town. She was so put off by the prices that she refused to get her son anything and she didn't even want any of my 40k stuff that is currently moldering away in the garage in case it would encourage him. She can certainly afford GW's prices, she went Skiing in France over Christmas, but the 'sticker shock' was obviously too much for her.

Yeah. The school club I ran, (UK. School years 7 to 11), had about 3 kids per year group, so around 15 regulars. As year 11's left, new year 7's replaced them. For the last 5 years, new year 7 kids have turned up, got excited, gone home to check out prices, then come back apologising they won't be joining as they'll never afford their own stuff. And this is from families that send these kids on school ski trips etc. Last year the last 3 kids in year 11 left and the club is no more. It is only down to price. (And before anyone asks, yes, I did have a couple of painted armies I'd done for people to use, but you know people, they want their own stuff).
I'm not a GW hater by any means. But I worry for the overall hobby as I know GW (especially 40k) was the entrance for a lot of people. Now they're gone, what'll happen to the hobby? Consoles will no doubt be blamed, but from the evidence I see, it's GW reducing a market in size with price.

I see there's some 3ml paint sets in the latest WD. Yep, 3ml. I mean wtf? That's how much you get dried up around the rim of those crappy pots. I know it's GW trying to bring in a cheaper pocket money item, but jeez, at least give them something for their money.

Here's one solid reason they are NOT getting better:

Apparently, Fall of Cadia is 136 pages and will cost ~$50 USD. Normal GW price right? But AOS is coming out with Battletome: Disciples of Tzeentch. It's also 136 pages and is supposed to cost like around $25USD (probably closer to $30), but for the same number of pages it's going to be less money, because reasons.

WTF?

Soft cover vs hardcover plus slip case.

Not a justification, but an explanation possibly.

Yeah, Hardcover tends to be pricier than soft cover. That's how it's always been with any book, GW or no.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, Hardcover tends to be pricier than soft cover. That's how it's always been with any book, GW or no.

But not double the price.