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It will be pricey here in Japan, but damn, Sister of silence and custodes and MK3 armor i one box!

It's a great time to be alive.

I'm going to have to stand trial for the abuse I am putting my wallet through.

"I swear your honor, Games Workshop made me do it."

I think it will be funny if the rules for SOS make them a better anti daemon army than Grey Knights

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
I think it will be funny if the rules for SOS make them a better anti daemon army than Grey Knights

Their fluff is that they sacrificed members of the organization that became the Grey Knights to gain extra special immunity

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
I think it will be funny if the rules for SOS make them a better anti daemon army than Grey Knights

Especially if they become better at countering daemons than they are at hunting psykers, much like how the elite daemon-hunters of the Imperium are much better at killing psykers than they are daemons.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
I think it will be funny if the rules for SOS make them a better anti daemon army than Grey Knights

Especially if they become better at countering daemons than they are at hunting psykers, much like how the elite daemon-hunters of the Imperium are much better at killing psykers than they are daemons.

As they are pariahs then it would make sense that they are capable of countering both.

Maybe there could be a story of SoS slaughtering some GKs to bathe in their blood to better mess with some psykers?

Found this on B&C

From 4chan:
According to a mate, these are the profiles for custodes and sisters:

Custodes:
ws6, bs4, s5, t5, w2, i5, a3, ld10, 2+/4++.
hatred, furious charge, rampage.

Sisters:
ws5, bs4, s3, t3, w1, i5, a2, ld10, 2+.
Preferred enemy (psykers), hatred (psykers)
furious charge and a pariah blade which inflicts ID on any model with the psyker special rule and otherwise is ap3.
they will have the pariah rule meaning they can never be the target of any psychic power. and all psychic powers cease to be in effect within 6" of the unit

If true, so hawt.

Damn, 2+ armor on SoS? Dats some nice artificer armor.

I'm breathing so heavy right now.

I hope those rules are true

 MrFlutterPie wrote:
I'm breathing so heavy right now.

I hope those rules are true

Look about right so hopefully yes

The quantity of bad-assery on those Custodes and Sisters



Can't wait to see what the Custodes' weapons stats are. The spear may be different from the DW one.

The point costs will make or break them... Those Custodes have some serious stats, and out Wulfen, my Wulfen.... So if they do so while costing less. DAMN.

Also, allied SoS are going to be EVERYWHERE like Culexus Assassins if they really have a psychic-voiding aura.

Ouch I hope magnus has eternal warrior. Also ouch for the soon to be released thousand sons.

 streetsamurai wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Here are the only pics worth posting imo

Spoiler:

I'm honestly not that impressed, armour looks like something from Age of Sigmar rather than 40K.
They have the same lightning as Sigmarines do if I'm not mistaken.

Agreed a 100%. Custodes and SOS look like models straight oupt of a fantasy game. Not too impressed.

Consulting the Visions of Heresy book, the Sisters look exactly like they're supposed to (barring the fact I"m not sure if the minis have the oversized flange hanging off their couters) and GW have done a superb job translating the illustrations to plastic.

Which doesnt change anything that I said, since even if they look exactly like they were described, they still really look out of place in a sci fi setting (IMO at least).

Which is where your confusion is coming from - 40K/30K is not a sci-fi setting, it's a sci-fantasy setting. It's futuristic, it makes an effort to systematize and explain things, but 30K is a Greek mythological tragedy with laser guns and 40K is a gothic fantasy with laser guns, hence why they include literal sorcery, daemons, religious belief that can manifest physical effects in reality, space Elves, space Orcs, space robo-Undead and so on.

I suppose this was inevitable, AoS so transparently ripping off 40K/30K aesthetic elements means now when those elements are realised in model form people who didn't know any better think the opposite is true and 40K/30K are ripping off AoS. It's like people thinking Warhammer is a Warcraft ripoff.


As to the pics - brilliant. True to the artwork and if they're a multipart set with options as Atia says that just makes them even more appealing. Glad I started saving for this as soon as Sad Panda first rumoured SoS were in. EDIT: Although T3, 1W, and no Invulnerable save means those Sisters probably won't be around long in a 30K game - 2+ is all very well, but any opponent with psyker or daemon units is a fool if they don't drown the Sisters with bolters asap; what's the mathhammer on 5 SoS trying to endure a 20 man Tactical FotL?

Well that's quite fitting given how that's exactly what happened on Prospero once the Thousand Sons realised the Sisters were the ones who were stopping them from dominating the battlefield with their psychic powers.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Here are the only pics worth posting imo

Spoiler:

I'm honestly not that impressed, armour looks like something from Age of Sigmar rather than 40K.
They have the same lightning as Sigmarines do if I'm not mistaken.

Agreed a 100%. Custodes and SOS look like models straight oupt of a fantasy game. Not too impressed.

Consulting the Visions of Heresy book, the Sisters look exactly like they're supposed to (barring the fact I"m not sure if the minis have the oversized flange hanging off their couters) and GW have done a superb job translating the illustrations to plastic.

Which doesnt change anything that I said, since even if they look exactly like they were described, they still really look out of place in a sci fi setting (IMO at least).

Which is where your confusion is coming from - 40K/30K is not a sci-fi setting, it's a sci-fantasy setting. It's futuristic, it makes an effort to systematize and explain things, but 30K is a Greek mythological tragedy with laser guns and 40K is a gothic fantasy with laser guns, hence why they include literal sorcery, daemons, religious belief that can manifest physical effects in reality, space Elves, space Orcs, space robo-Undead and so on.

I suppose this was inevitable, AoS so transparently ripping off 40K/30K aesthetic elements means now when those elements are realised in model form people who didn't know any better think the opposite is true and 40K/30K are ripping off AoS. It's like people thinking Warhammer is a Warcraft ripoff.


As to the pics - brilliant. True to the artwork and if they're a multipart set with options as Atia says that just makes them even more appealing. Glad I started saving for this as soon as Sad Panda first rumoured SoS were in. EDIT: Although T3, 1W, and no Invulnerable save means those Sisters probably won't be around long in a 30K game - 2+ is all very well, but any opponent with psyker or daemon units is a fool if they don't drown the Sisters with bolters asap; what's the mathhammer on 5 SoS trying to endure a 20 man Tactical FotL?

nah man. I'm an old school 40k and whfb player, I know full well that it is more of a space fantasy game than a hard sci-fi one, I said so in one of my post. Still, it is one of the first time that I see a model that seems to have been taken directly from WHFB bar the mandrake (and as someone has said, DE Incubi could also be included, but I think they have more of a sleek sci-fi look). The armor of the SOS look like a common plate armor (unlike the regular power armour which is directly inspired from plate armor, but still includes sufficient sci-fi elements to make it look like a futuristic armor, and the sword look like a stylized claymore not a power sword). As I said, the SOS leader could have been a character model in WHQ Silver Tower, and nobody would think it would be out of place. Which is not the case for pretty much every other 30/40k minis.

And, as you said, they do look very similar to sigmarinee, even if Sigmarine are a fantasy version of space marines. It's like they ripped off, the bad fantasy rip off of space marines (they even have the comet/lightning design that is plastered all over stormcasts. Yeah I know, this design was present in some old 40k art, but not to that extent).

As I said, It seems like i'm in the minority when it comes to disliking them, but I have a lot of trouble believing that most dont see them as much more fantasy looking than pretty much every other 30/40k minis.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
No Mk3 heavy weapons? I was hoping for autocannons.

You can get auto cannons that fit bolter arms from FW right now.

You can get Mk3 armor from FW right now. I don't see your point.

You can buy them there, if that's so disappointing to you.

Did I miss it some where?? Is this compatible with Betrayal at Calth???

Whelp guess I need a loyalist Emperors Children commander!

How much do you think the custodes and sisters will cost seperate? I'm gonna start saving in case they get real cheap when the game comes out

 Genoside07 wrote:
Did I miss it some where?? Is this compatible with Betrayal at Calth???

It's a separate board game, if that's what you're asking.

No one has mentioned if they use the same board game rules or anything.

However, you cannot mix the MKIV armor bits with MKIII armor bits, your you'll make purists cry.

Or, you can mix the bits but you HAVE to make a broken legion like Salamanders or Iron Hands.

 Genoside07 wrote:
Did I miss it some where?? Is this compatible with Betrayal at Calth???

As a board game? I don't think so. The board sections don't seem to have the hex layout and(IMO very cool) system for fitting together. It also has different dice than Calth.

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
I think it will be funny if the rules for SOS make them a better anti daemon army than Grey Knights

They aren't an army, they never will be.
They are a small squad to ally.

 Ashiraya wrote:

ursvamp wrote:
Really dig the SoS-models. They look amazing!
Dissapointed about still seeing boobplate on them, though.
Would really like to see GW do something different with female models in the future.

At least they have made all their female tau commanders without it (though, they are i. Mechs, so that would be a little extreme, had they done that ).

Oh, and if anyone is curious, here's link has a little rundown of some of the problems with boob plate
http://www.tor.com/2013/05/06/boob-plate-armor-would-kill-you/

Agreed 100%.

That said, the Custodes remain very interesting indeed. I expected them to be all Guardian Spears but it seems not?

Wow, you really missed this:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

Davor wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:

Davor wrote:

Oh look, BOOB ARMOUR. Yes they are females.

I actually thought GW would get away from boob armour. Sadly they didn't.

Can we please, please, please have one god damned discussion about female miniatures without derailing it by talking about boob armor for the fifteenth billion time? I can't wait for the plastic SoB to be released so we can listen to the same complaining for the fifteenth billion and one time. Boob armor isn't going away, so maybe it is best that find some way for you to deal with this obviously troubling matter on your own.

How about No. This is a discussion after all. Before I didn't care, it was a joke, but now that you mention it and make it personal, yes we can keep talking about it now. I wouldn't have said any more but since you are so passionate about it and had to say "matter on your own", I think I will keep bringing it up now. You want to get personal, so can I.

Actually, how about no, don't do that.

Start a separate thread about that particular topic if you like, but if you keep bringing it up here, it will be considered spam, off topic and possibly against Rule 1 as well, depending on context.

I'll go with maybe people that this was directed ONLY at a specific user?

When it fact it really is for EVERYONE.

Feel free to take this tangent to its very own topic elsewhere - do NOT continue to harp on and on and on about it in this thread.

FINAL WARNING.

 kronk wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
No Mk3 heavy weapons? I was hoping for autocannons.

You can get auto cannons that fit bolter arms from FW right now.

You can get Mk3 armor from FW right now. I don't see your point.

You can buy them there, if that's so disappointing to you.

But not in plastic and not without paying FW shipping and VAT markup.

But you knew that's what I meant.

I wonder how that rule for the SoS will function with Shadow in the Warp. If it breaks or nullifies Synapse, that cements the need for Flyrant only lists. Maybe it will help with Deathstars in general too.

On another note, those are some fantastic miniatures and the rules match them fairly well.

 Carnikang wrote:
I wonder how that rule for the SoS will function with Shadow in the Warp. If it breaks or nullifies Synapse, that cements the need for Flyrant only lists. Maybe it will help with Deathstars in general too.

On another note, those are some fantastic miniatures and the rules match them fairly well.

Considering that any competitive list that can spare the points for it, includes a Culexus, I would say yes... any model that outright shuts down psychic powers automatically gains immense value.

Is there any actual balance to the content of these games? I know the thousand sons get their arses handed to them on Prospero, but does that mean the loser who has to play as the thousand sobs has no chance of winning? The odds seem to be stacked against them given the stats and abilitys of the imperial troops. Is Ahriman going to be that powerful to counter?