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 General Annoyance wrote:
On their own, most likely - they may be very accepting and caring for other races, but they still see themselves as being the best. Advancements in bioscience would only strengthen that

We could also entertain the idea that it doesn't work with their race. They've already tried it an they failed, so that's why they made battlesuits

 TheLumberJack wrote:


We could also entertain the idea that it doesn't work with their race. They've already tried it an they failed, so that's why they made battlesuits

True, but I'm still certain that they would try any new developments on their own people "for the Greater Good" before turning to any of the other Empire members.

And here we go again, I should have known it was too good to be true, 'All Tau suck and will die' and 'Imperium government great, just some bad governors, all else is perfect' tropes incoming. I must stop doing this and tap out.

@Iron_Captain: You do realize that in Mont'ka it was canonically stated the clash of vehicles was the greatest the Imperium has seen since the Horus Heresy, right? That sounds pretty big to me. Besides the book itself doesn't give a full loadout of the exact numbers involved (particularly it doesn't list the number of capital ships as you're suggesting) and you're making no mention of the Mechanicus forces involved at all.

Sure it doesn't compare to the Third Armageddon War, but if that's your standard for 'large' than you're just creating a silly argument since the only theaters which can compete with it are Leviathen and the 13th Black Crusade. Just because what happened in Mont'ka isn't one of the three largest Warzones in the galaxy doesn't mean it isn't a significant show of force.

Also people in the Imperium clearly do care, since Kauyon shows the Tau being elevated to a new threat status on Terra itself, and we're even told the Imperium as a whole took note of the loss of Severax and chose to respond with enormous force (did you read Kauyon and Mont'ka?). Also how is the Tau victory meaningless? It shows enormously quick growth of power; in the first Damocles Gulf Crusade the Imperium forces swept the Tau back to Dal'yth before they were stopped now, in a tiny amount of time for 40k, an even larger Crusade can't dislodge the Tau from the very first world they attack. The growth of the Tau is already demonstrated in that, and the significance of it is clearly not negligible.

Also I love this 'they will overextend themselves' as if, in the fluff, all the Tau ever do is make mistakes. I mean...you realize they are a faction in the game who people invest in and GW tries to make appealing to the customer base, right?

Also how does 'struggle to beat Tyranid' and 'need help to beat Tyranid' suddenly mean that the Tau don't stand a chance or are all going to die? That's literally the same for the Imperium (they always struggle to beat the Tyranid and needed Iyanden's help to break Kraken) so what's different here?

Also, seriously, the Tau straight up stopping an Imperium Crusade and killing the Chapter Master of the Raven Guard isn't significant? What, pray tell, is significant then?

@N0t_u: 'The Imperium is actually alright in some areas' doesn't really change that its a horrible despotic and tyrannical government. The 'Nazi's were actually alright in some areas' as are all governments, that doesn't make them 'good' or 'great' though. Not saying that's what you meant to say, so sorry if it wasn't, but I just wanted to make clear my position on it in case.

Governors are in complete control of their planet because that is Imperium legislation, it is literally how the Imperium runs. Also, I'm sorry, but the fluff repeatedly demonstrates that the Tau provide far better living conditions on average for citizens than the Imperium does. I don't really see what the problem with this is, the day-to-day technologically advanced nature of the Tau as contrasted with the 'advanced-but-backwards' conceit of the Imperium, and in particular the fluff's constant repetition that being a commoner in the Imperium is horrible, is just the background fluff. Life is harsher, on average, for a citizen of the Imperium than a citizen of the Tau Empire. This is repeatedly demonstrated. I don't see the problem with it, a lot of the fluff often goes out of its way to contrast the 'brutality' of the Imperium with the 'naivete' of the Tau. In Blades of Damocles we even have Cato thinking to himself as they withdraw from Dal'yth that the Tau aren't brutal enough, and that the galaxy they find will be more brutal because, in Cato Sicarius' own words; 'The Imperium had made sure of it,'.

What's the point of the fluff constantly describing the Tau as the 'technologically advanced' and 'economically efficient' species to contrast them with the Imperium if none of it is true?

*Sigh* on a positive note I would really love to see the other member races of the Tau Empire more, yes. I think the Demiurg and the Kroot in particular have potential.

 Unusual Suspect wrote:

 Ginsu33 wrote:
Foolish that for sheer greed some systems would ultimately sacrifice their freedom.

...What freedom have they sacrificed? At worst, they've changed one Empire's control for another, and at least the Tau Empire has a decent track record on its treatment of humans.

The only exceptions would be the non-canon ending for the first Dawn of War (As the Tau didn't win that engagement in the fluff, they never actually implemented the hinted sterilization) and the use of Humans as laborers in Warzone Damocles: Mont'ka (which is, given the common condition of laborers in the Imperium, is at worst a sidegrade). Meanwhile, there were instances in that same Warzone book in which Tau forces protected human civilians from IMPERIUM attacks.

I think that's what Anemone is talking about in the slightly rantish post you responded to about treating the Imperium as some sort of utopia. Being a member of the Tau Empire is certainly not necessarily a position of freedom (though there are exceptions - The Kroot are quite independent, being bound mostly by honor and appreciation, and the Demiurg clans that have allied with the Tau Empire also have a fair amount of independence), but your post presumes that being a member of the Imperium of Man involves having freedom, which is generally depicted as equally or more fascist than the Tau Empire.

Others have covered what the reality of Tau treatment is to Humans, which isn't much different from other races absorbed into the Tau collective, so we know it's disgusting considering that we are discussing a species (humanity) which is by divine right, destined to dominate the galaxy.

Remember that the Imperium consists of millions of worlds, quality of life is as diverse as it gets, from feral, to feudal, to Hive worlds, and even Forge worlds. You also have colonies, worlds dedicated to agriculture, civilized worlds, paradise worlds, cardinal worlds. I will say that the Imperium is at fault for not establishing a galactic standard of humanitarian rights and for not setting a clear outline for Planetary Governor responsibilities to their citizens. However the Imperium exists to ensure the continued survival of Humanity, above all else.

 Gamgee wrote:
Except that is clearly a biased view since the main rulebook is written assuming most players will be playing IoM. In the Tau lore and books its very clear humanity isn't doomed and that is what kind of makes us so threatening because we offer an alternative to the typical IoM worldview.

End of mankind as a political power in space? Almost certainly. End of humanity? Not if the Tau survive longer then the IoM which looks likely.

Well, if I want to dig through the galactic trash heap of blasphemous Xeno civilizations for some clarity, I would listen to the Eldar. Arrogant rhetoric perhaps, but like the Imperium their civilization had once spanned the galaxy and experienced great hardship.

Tau on the other hand, are backwater folk, all drinking the same tap water and tapping to the tune of a Government body that has been in power for less than 5-6 thousand years. The far future is a galactic game of natural selection, and the Tau by sheer luck have managed to survive long enough where other countless races were knocked out of existence. This makes them an interesting faction, not the irrational idea of them toppling any existing power.

Regarding the ultimate failure of attempted genocide during the Gulf crusade, you said:

 Gamgee wrote:
Exactly you don't have the manpower. That's what all that gab boils down to. It's another "When I have all my friends I'll beat you up" thing except you don't have all your friends they're all too busy.

What would be the alternative? The Imperium decides to cut losses and abandon X amount of systems to annihilate the Tau just to prove a point? Or should they be strategic about it and in reality, keep supporting the Tau as a collectible faction?
If GW want the Tau to get squatted, they can easily do so and well within plausibility of the lore making that race a distant memory by M42. As a Tau fan you should appreciate the good fortune the faction has been receiving as GW continue to enjoy the fortune made from them.

 Unusual Suspect wrote:
(directed at Gamgee)...Did they, though? They seemed to come to the conclusion that enough Imperium forces could obliterate the Tau Empire (which is absolutely true, based entirely on scale), but that the Imperium's desperate position on a galactic scale means they won't ever realistically have enough free manpower to actually carry that out.

Again to put it in to perspective, natural selection is not on the side of the Tau and every effort is being made to prevent what would otherwise be an inevitable annihilation of the Tau which makes them a dramatic and interesting faction to enjoy as every threat they face could be their last. If the Imperium decide to muster an actual crusader fleet and mobilize armies and set a date for 100.M42 the Tau have an appointment with total annihilation. It's up to GW to continue delaying or side-tracking this from occurring by whatever creative means possible.

 Anemone wrote:

Also people in the Imperium clearly do care, since Kauyon shows the Tau being elevated to a new threat status on Terra itself, and we're even told the Imperium as a whole took note of the loss of Severax and chose to respond with enormous force (did you read Kauyon and Mont'ka?). Also how is the Tau victory meaningless? It shows enormously quick growth of power; in the first Damocles Gulf Crusade the Imperium forces swept the Tau back to Dal'yth before they were stopped now, in a tiny amount of time for 40k, an even larger Crusade can't dislodge the Tau from the very first world they attack. The growth of the Tau is already demonstrated in that, and the significance of it is clearly not negligible.

This exposes the growing failures within the Imperium, and not so much the strength of the Tau. Rebellious human worlds and other minor Xeno civilizations will begin to carve out their own little slices of empires soon if things keep going this way and it seems that is the course which will allow the Tau and possibly other new races to continue their existence.

 Anemone wrote:
And here we go again, I should have known it was too good to be true, 'All Tau suck and will die' and 'Imperium government great, just some bad governors, all else is perfect' tropes incoming. I must stop doing this and tap out.

Just when we were doing so well!

@Iron_Captain: You do realize that in Mont'ka it was canonically stated the clash of vehicles was the greatest the Imperium has seen since the Horus Heresy, right? That sounds pretty big to me. Besides the book itself doesn't give a full loadout of the exact numbers involved (particularly it doesn't list the number of capital ships as you're suggesting) and you're making no mention of the Mechanicus forces involved at all.

Sure it doesn't compare to the Third Armageddon War, but if that's your standard for 'large' than you're just creating a silly argument since the only theaters which can compete with it are Leviathen and the 13th Black Crusade. Just because what happened in Mont'ka isn't one of the three largest Warzones in the galaxy doesn't mean it isn't a significant show of force.

I think the point was that the Damocles Crusade is far from the largest mobilisation of Imperial forces in recorded history. Doesn't mean it wasn't large, and it doesn't mean the casualties weren't big, but by Imperial standards, it wasn't.

Also people in the Imperium clearly do care, since Kauyon shows the Tau being elevated to a new threat status on Terra itself, and we're even told the Imperium as a whole took note of the loss of Severax and chose to respond with enormous force (did you read Kauyon and Mont'ka?). Also how is the Tau victory meaningless? It shows enormously quick growth of power; in the first Damocles Gulf Crusade the Imperium forces swept the Tau back to Dal'yth before they were stopped now, in a tiny amount of time for 40k, an even larger Crusade can't dislodge the Tau from the very first world they attack. The growth of the Tau is already demonstrated in that, and the significance of it is clearly not negligible.

Really it was a loss for both sides on the whole. The Imperium underestimated the Tau Empire, and the Empire underestimated the Imperium. One side is much stronger than the other on the whole, however the point of the Crusade was to demonstrate to both sides that an all out conflict would result in yet more casualties as both sides would end up in a deadlock for a long period of time. The Imperium therefore deemed any further attempts at destroying the Empire to be a waste that currently cannot be afforded in the long run. It is certainly in their power to smash the Tau into the dirt, but an option that would take too much time and effort to carry out, for such little gain. The worst that the Tau can do to them at the moment is seize a few worlds on the Eastern Fringe that are in the path of the approaching Hive Fleets anyway.

Also I love this 'they will overextend themselves' as if, in the fluff, all the Tau ever do is make mistakes. I mean...you realize they are a faction in the game who people invest in and GW tries to make appealing to the customer base, right?

The Tau make their mistakes as much as the Imperium does in some areas. One time they're outwitting some of the finest Imperial minds in battle, next they're trying to befriend Orks and absorb them into their Empire. To say they only make mistakes, however, is silly.

Also how does 'struggle to beat Tyranid' and 'need help to beat Tyranid' suddenly mean that the Tau don't stand a chance or are all going to die? That's literally the same for the Imperium (they always struggle to beat the Tyranid and needed Iyanden's help to break Kraken) so what's different here?

Also, seriously, the Tau straight up stopping an Imperium Crusade and killing the Chapter Master of the Raven Guard isn't significant? What, pray tell, is significant then?

The simple answer is that the Imperium can afford such loss where the Tau would not be able to on the same level. Mind you, the Hive Fleets are a threat to everyone, as Behemoth and Kraken have demonstrated.

I'm surprised nobody has put up a Galaxy Map yet, so here ya go folks:



Sorry that it's in Italian (I think), but you can see how small the Empire is on the grand scale of things, and how far away it is from key Imperial Worlds. Thanks to the Empire's location within the Galaxy, they've been given a saving grace from Imperial retribution... for now at least.

Regarding Imperial worlds themselves and their lifestyles, look up the Paradise Worlds in the Imperium - they're very much nice rocks to live on. Agri Worlds can often be reasonably governed too, although life as a whole can be rather dull for the common citizen. Hive Worlds are typically where you see Governors who need to rule by force rather than by reason, but ultimately, as long as a Governor pays his Imperial Tithes, he can govern his world with very few restrictions.

G.A

@Ginsu33:

Others have covered what the reality of Tau treatment is to Humans, which isn't much different from other races absorbed into the Tau collective, so we know it's disgusting considering that we are discussing a species (humanity) which is by divine right, destined to dominate the galaxy.

Is this serious? I just...cannot imagine you actually mean this as a serious sentiment or believe this to any extent.

However the Imperium exists to ensure the continued survival of Humanity, above all else.

Not it exists to ensure the continued survival of a particular brand of humanity and system of human governance it desires, not to simply ensure the blanket survival of humanity.

Tau by sheer luck

By sheer luck humanity wasn't wiped out be Eldar or Orks, by sheer luck Eldar were created by Old Ones, by sheer luck the Necrontyr didn't get wiped out because the Old Ones spared them, this is literally true of every faction of the game (barring the Tyranids) so what is your point?

If GW want the Tau to get squatted

Okay, what? The Imperium isn't 'real', any faction can of course be squatted by GW easily, they're just a fictional property. What are you saying?

This exposes the growing failures within the Imperium, and not so much the strength of the Tau.

Ah yes, one of the oldest rhetoric tactics in history, nothing is an achievement by the enemy, everything is either luck or a mistake by the other.

Seriously this 'all Tau suck and will die' trope gets so tiring to me.

@General Annoyance:

Just when we were doing so well!

Agreed.

but by Imperial standards, it wasn't.

But based on what do you make this claim? The fluff described it as large by Imperium standards, just because it is not one of the three largest Warzones in the Galaxy doesn't mean it isn't large.

Regarding Imperial worlds themselves and their lifestyles, look up the Paradise Worlds in the Imperium - they're very much nice rocks to live on. Agri Worlds can often be reasonably governed too, although life as a whole can be rather dull for the common citizen. Hive Worlds are typically where you see Governors who need to rule by force rather than by reason, but ultimately, as long as a Governor pays his Imperial Tithes, he can govern his world with very few restrictions.

Then why the constant repetition in fluff of the Tau providing better living conditions and more access to technology if it isn't true? In the fluff I've read I've very rarely come across any Imperial world in which common citizenry are described as having easy and universal access to the technologies they're described as having in the Tau Empire.

As for the Governor thing; I don't see how that changes anything, they are still part of the Imperial Government and endowed with their authority by it. They are endowed with a great deal of autonomy by the Imperium government, but that doesn't change that they are the representatives and agents of that Government.

 Anemone wrote:
@N0t_u: 'The Imperium is actually alright in some areas' doesn't really change that its a horrible despotic and tyrannical government. The 'Nazi's were actually alright in some areas' as are all governments, that doesn't make them 'good' or 'great' though. Not saying that's what you meant to say, so sorry if it wasn't, but I just wanted to make clear my position on it in case.

Governors are in complete control of their planet because that is Imperium legislation, it is literally how the Imperium runs. Also, I'm sorry, but the fluff repeatedly demonstrates that the Tau provide far better living conditions on average for citizens than the Imperium does. I don't really see what the problem with this is, the day-to-day technologically advanced nature of the Tau as contrasted with the 'advanced-but-backwards' conceit of the Imperium, and in particular the fluff's constant repetition that being a commoner in the Imperium is horrible, is just the background fluff. Life is harsher, on average, for a citizen of the Imperium than a citizen of the Tau Empire. This is repeatedly demonstrated. I don't see the problem with it, a lot of the fluff often goes out of its way to contrast the 'brutality' of the Imperium with the 'naivete' of the Tau. In Blades of Damocles we even have Cato thinking to himself as they withdraw from Dal'yth that the Tau aren't brutal enough, and that the galaxy they find will be more brutal because, in Cato Sicarius' own words; 'The Imperium had made sure of it,'.

What's the point of the fluff constantly describing the Tau as the 'technologically advanced' and 'economically efficient' species to contrast them with the Imperium if none of it is true?

*Sigh* on a positive note I would really love to see the other member races of the Tau Empire more, yes. I think the Demiurg and the Kroot in particular have potential.

I didn't once say the Imperium was better, I was saying the Imperium is inconsistent. Inconsistency and inefficiency is the Imperium's thing while the Tau's is being consistent and efficient; its the difference in size that allows this. There are good planets in the Imperium and there are many many bad planets and we hear far more about the planets where crap happens because it makes for a more interesting story than some tiny peaceful agriworld somewhere. So generally if we hear about any good planet it's because everything just jumped from a 4/10 to a daemonsburstingoutofthefacesofthepdf/10.

The Imperium could not function if every single planet was as bad as most of the ones we hear about. Something has to be at least kind of working somewhere.

The tau are definitely more economically efficient, it's because of that that I find stuff like the taunar to be a weird direction to be taking them since they're putting so many resources into one place.

 Anemone wrote:
And here we go again, I should have known it was too good to be true, 'All Tau suck and will die' and 'Imperium government great, just some bad governors, all else is perfect' tropes incoming. I must stop doing this and tap out.

Do you have to be a victim or something? The Imperium sucks.


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 Anemone wrote:
Then why the constant repetition in fluff of the Tau providing better living conditions and more access to technology if it isn't true? In the fluff I've read I've very rarely come across any Imperial world in which common citizenry are described as having easy and universal access to the technologies they're described as having in the Tau Empire.

It doesn't make it untrue. Good living conditions are way more consistent in the Tau empire, which is probably the point of repeatedly saying that in the background.

Tau have a better approach to tech as well than the Imperium, who are rightfully scared of their tech after stuff like the men of iron, etc. The Tau approach to tech could be seen as naive compared to the ad mech, but the ad mech is very much a problem of itself with how backwards they have everything.

@n0t_u: As I said, I apologize if that isn't what you meant, I just wanted to make my position clear in case.

My problem with this 'there are great planets in the Imperium' bit is just, well, I want someone to point me to a planet in the fluff which is this 'hidden utopia' I keep getting told exist within the Imperium. Where are these worlds with 'impartial' judiciaries, universal sanitation, mechanized industry, no slave labour, no aristocracy, freedom of religion, democratic governments or even just some combination of these, and such, where in the fluff do they appear?

It just feels like people keep telling me 'they exist' but then don't actually give me any good example of a place I can read about them.

Yes I'm not fond of the Tau'nar either, I would have preferred the Tau focusing on making aircraft which hunt Titans. More of the member races too.

As for being a victim, not really sure what you mean to be honest, I've just become tired by the online fanbase's position regarding anything non-Imperium. That's why I quit /tg/ this year after all and 1d4chan shortly afterwards. It grates me particularly when I see people on the one hand the moment they are confronted by anything regarding the immorality of the Imperium go 'there are no good guys' and 'it is all necessary' and yet if anything happens concerning any other race or faction it is 'evil/heresy/disgusting/purge/cleanse/divine right/genocide' and such. I just want some consistency, stick to 'no good guys' if that is what a person believes.

But that is, of course, me. I just become tired, particularly, of people online who genuinely tell people who don't play an Imperium faction that they are 'unclean' and need to be 'purged' or some such.

 Anemone wrote:
@Ginsu33:

Others have covered what the reality of Tau treatment is to Humans, which isn't much different from other races absorbed into the Tau collective, so we know it's disgusting considering that we are discussing a species (humanity) which is by divine right, destined to dominate the galaxy.

Is this serious? I just...cannot imagine you actually mean this as a serious sentiment or believe this to any extent.

It's a fictional story with Humanity firmly at the center and being in a position of power where they could decide the outcome of things.. see how boring that sounds when I put it that way? No, by divine right and the will of the Emperor that sounds more funny to me.

Not it exists to ensure the continued survival of a particular brand of humanity and system of human governance it desires, not to simply ensure the blanket survival of humanity.

It's a government body.. what government body doesn't ensure it's dominance over it's own people? Point is, it has to act as a government body and prevent the destruction of Humanity at the same time.

By sheer luck humanity wasn't wiped out be Eldar or Orks, by sheer luck Eldar were created by Old Ones, by sheer luck the Necrontyr didn't get wiped out because the Old Ones spared them, this is literally true of every faction of the game (barring the Tyranids) so what is your point?

Refer to *divine right* again.

Okay, what? The Imperium isn't 'real', any faction can of course be squatted by GW easily, they're just a fictional property. What are you saying?

Do I have to explain it? You could knock off the Tau *in universe* without damaging the universe of 40k drastically changing it.

Ah yes, one of the oldest rhetoric tactics in history, nothing is an achievement by the enemy, everything is either luck or a mistake by the other.
Seriously this 'all Tau suck and will die' trope gets so tiring to me.

The Tau managed to carve out an existence for themselves and defend it. However notions of them rivaling any of the factions in 40K is absurd, and that's what has been outright stated here.

Then why the constant repetition in fluff of the Tau providing better living conditions and more access to technology if it isn't true? In the fluff I've read I've very rarely come across any Imperial world in which common citizenry are described as having easy and universal access to the technologies they're described as having in the Tau Empire.

As for the Governor thing; I don't see how that changes anything, they are still part of the Imperial Government and endowed with their authority by it. They are endowed with a great deal of autonomy by the Imperium government, but that doesn't change that they are the representatives and agents of that Government.

.... If I tell you to run a shop as you see fit and you abuse your staff is it my fault for allowing you to manage unchecked? yes it is.
Did I have any involvement in your decision making? no.
Was I present during your operation as manager? no.

So fine, -1 point for negligence on the Imperium. Otherwise as has been said repeatedly, aside from paying planetary tithes regard all Imperium planets for what they are: Independent planetary management. Key concern of the Imperium is keeping these damn worlds in line and in check, because they are not running it! There isn't an Imperium embassy or local Imperium offical's office in a strip mall/Hive/Factory to hear concerns. They can't manage every single world so they don't bother, hence the freedom governors have until they attract unwanted attention.

 Anemone wrote:

But that is, of course, me. I just become tired, particularly, of people online who genuinely tell people who don't play an Imperium faction that they are 'unclean' and need to be 'purged' or some such.

That is the fate of traitor's such as yourself for trying to align with the foul Xeno. LOL oh come on mate seriously? I'm sure people are just taking the piss with you. Without these foul creatures the Imperium wouldn't have such diverse enemies to fight. I don't think anyone actually judges you as an individual for playing a hobby with all sorts of aliens and stuff in it...

 Anemone wrote:


@General Annoyance:

But based on what do you make this claim? The fluff described it as large by Imperium standards, just because it is not one of the three largest Warzones in the Galaxy doesn't mean it isn't large.

Does it though? The forces deployed in the Damocles Crusade consisted of 4 IG Regiments, 8 Cruiser+ Vessels from the Imperial Navy, and Strike Forces from 9 different Chapters. The Crusade of Fire (the largest Crusade since the Macharian Crusade) involved 100 Regiments, significant elements from 5 Chapters, an entire Navy Battlefleet and a Titan Legion. Even the Aurelian Crusade involved an entire Chapter of Space Marines, as well as 3 IG Regiments, an Order of the SoB and even the Inquisition by the 3rd Crusade.

Damocles is listed as a Major Conflict, and it certainly was. There are many other campaigns that are of worthier notice to the Imperium, however - they just aren't as notable or interesting to the reader. And all of these campaigns are still a long shot from the top 3.

Then why the constant repetition in fluff of the Tau providing better living conditions and more access to technology if it isn't true? In the fluff I've read I've very rarely come across any Imperial world in which common citizenry are described as having easy and universal access to the technologies they're described as having in the Tau Empire.

For the most part, the Empire is better. However, conditions in Imperial space range massively from world to world, based on the governments in place and the local environment.

As for the Governor thing; I don't see how that changes anything, they are still part of the Imperial Government and endowed with their authority by it. They are endowed with a great deal of autonomy by the Imperium government, but that doesn't change that they are the representatives and agents of that Government.

Governors only have to do three things to remain as part of the Imperium - complete their annual Tithes, allow for the garrison and stationing of Imperial forces, and enforce the Imperial Creed through the Ecclesiarchy. As long as these are met, they have free reign over how to rule their planet. This is done mostly to keep Governors quiet and content, as they can preserve many of their planet's traditions if they have any. Naturally, it results in a mish mash of verdant and pleasant colonies right down to absolute hell pits. It's inconsistent at best, but good worlds do exist.


This isn't aimed at you specifically, but can everyone please drop or not consider these ridiculous notions about real life allegiances to our favourite factions? We're discussing, not roleplaying - anyone who actually takes the happenings of their collected factions personally and to heart is simply not fit for any lore discussion. I say this as a learned fan of every 40k faction, while also being a collector of IG, Orks, Space Marines, and Tau.

G.A

EDIT: I just read your other response Anemone, apologies. Here's one such world that you may be looking for, Reth. There are numerous other Paradise worlds with entries if you look them up afterwards. Hopefully that's the evidence you wanted

Don't even bother anenome. The group thinking going on here is intense. They've basically taken over a thread and lead it into another off topic discussion just to hate on Tau and ignore evidence and facts in the latest Tau lore as well as passive aggressively trying to hate on Tau fans.

 Gamgee wrote:
Don't even bother anenome. The group thinking going on here is intense. They've basically taken over a thread and lead it into another off topic discussion just to hate on Tau and ignore evidence and facts in the latest Tau lore as well as passive aggressively trying to hate on Tau fans.

Said the Tau sympathizer.... You started this by talking your nonsense about the Tau, clearly you don't have the kind of diplomatic skills of your.. hold on a second, I got a phone call.

Hello? Yes, this is him speaking... From the what? Tau Water Caste? Ha, don't think you can spin me around. No... Of course not. Yes... ok... well.. Yes but.. hm... hmmm... well I guess in that specific context.. right.. uhuh... hmm.. all right well until then, goodbye."

You know the Tau are a young race and considering what they have managed to achieve against such adversity, we should respect them.

 Gamgee wrote:
Don't even bother anenome. The group thinking going on here is intense. They've basically taken over a thread and lead it into another off topic discussion just to hate on Tau and ignore evidence and facts in the latest Tau lore as well as passive aggressively trying to hate on Tau fans.

I don't see why I'd want to hate on myself, seeing as I'm a Tau fan and collector.

My tribal allegiances don't matter at all; reasonable points have been made, and have been reasonably refuted. You are the only person stamping their feet in some apparent outrage because you've made too personal a connection with the Tau. I'd advise you don't contribute to background threads such as this one till you can speak departed from whatever you collect and accept things that have been written and are known in lore outside of the Empire's.

 Gamgee wrote:
Don't even bother anenome. The group thinking going on here is intense. They've basically taken over a thread and lead it into another off topic discussion just to hate on Tau and ignore evidence and facts in the latest Tau lore as well as passive aggressively trying to hate on Tau fans.

You've been trying to sidetrack this thread from the beginning. I like Tau a lot man, but I'm not going to sit here and make things up because you think your tau could demolish the imperium. If you want to add to the discussion, then add to the discussion. But if you're just gonna come here to stamp your feet in anger cause no one agrees with you then go somewhere else

Yeah well I was always more of a FSE sort of guy so my answer is to usually just blast people and leave the talking to the diplomats.

 Gamgee wrote:
Yeah well I was always more of a FSE sort of guy so my answer is to usually just blast people and leave the talking to the diplomats.

That's not a positive trait in Dakka discussions, or any discussion, really. Save your sentiment for the Tau when you're roleplaying and you can hurl appropriate insults at your enemies, not for what is meant to be a disambiguous conversation.

G.A

Still thinking I'm a psychotic Tau roleplayer. You stay classy with those passive aggressive insults. At least I'm honest about my opinions of people. The only reason I didn't want to debate is because the second I did you started insinuating I was some sort of crazy person. Gee no wonder I didn't want to waste my time with a manipulative asshat like yourself.

I'm sorry that no one agrees with your strange association with the Tau. I'd ask you to go light-years away but we all know the Tau are not very effective at that

 Gamgee wrote:
Still thinking I'm a psychotic Tau roleplayer. You stay classy with those passive aggressive insults. At least I'm honest about my opinions of people.

As though the last part of that sentence is meant to mean anything to me; the only person who's negatively called out people as "Space Marine fanboys" is you. The only person who has suggested that you are psychotic, is you.

I'd be honest about you if I could at this point, but that would be a breach of Rule no.1. I would just drop the strawman argument, and either discuss why you think we're incorrect, or leave.

We'll leave it to the mods to sort out.

 Gamgee wrote:
We'll leave it to the mods to sort out.

To sort what out? You've added nothing to the discussion but getting upset when no one agrees with your points. And I see you also have no excuse for your behavior, as you just want the mods to fix everything

The personal insults in the last page of this thread are completely inappropriate on Dakka - to discuss things like this in the future, please stick to the 40k background and avoid characterizing / insulting / etc other posters. What matters is the fluff, anyway!

Locking unless there's a reason to reopen this thread, in which case PM me please.