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Hi

Have two armies that I currently play, Eldar and Ad Mech and am currently becoming more and more disheartened with each.

Eldar: Here I feel that the codex is just too strong, you almost can't lose and I end up gimping my army so that the games are still competitive, and I only play causal without spam (don't take D Flamers etc). Also the dated models are annoying too. This was my first army so I do have a affinity with them.

Ad Mech: The second army I bought and to me there is just no variety whatsoever. Don't get me wrong I love the models so so much but just find the army one dimensional and lacking the favour of a proper codex.

Have been seriously considering selling the two armies and replacing them. Mainly looking at Tau and Dark Eldar, with Orks and Tyrannids optionst as I haven't tried a horde army.

So Should I stick with what I've got? Am I experiencing an itch that every player goes through? Any one else experienced the same?

Thanks for your thoughts...

We've all been there. Don't sell them yet. Start a new project that you are more excited about to keep it fresh. New rules/units/codices will be arriving before too long, and they might breathe a bit of new life into the armies you are presently finding dull.

It's always nice having options on which army to play with as well, and the more the merrier

If you don't like them sell them, they are popular right now so they should be easy to sell, Don't wait until a new edition / codex / meta shift makes those units obsolete.

I agree with the don't sell them. If you like them than keep them, but start another army with a Kill Team sized force, and then grow from there.

I would advice you against any horde army tough.
Horde armies seem cool but starting and playing them is one of the worst ideas in the hobby really. Just some downsides.

- You will have to buy 2-8x as much models as you would normally have to as roughly the same price per model.
- You will have to paint 2-8 armies worth of models just for this one army to be finished. Spoiler most players can't find the time and endurance to pull this off resulting in a forever halfpainted or sup par painted army.,
-Most horde armies have abysmal rules right now. Genestealer Acolytes are the exception to this .
-Most horde armies do not have that much diversity or movement options. MSU armies have lots of cool options when you play with them, most armies have just 3-8 slow moving large unwieldy blobs.
-Horde armies are a pain to transport. Just imagine having to transport 4+ normal armies in some sort of transport container.


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Do not switch to an army without having tried them out. But NEVER invest in a army you don't like, this will just waste more of your money and time. So if you are sure you don't like them you should stop buying into them it simpler and less wasteful to switch in the beginning of your army.

I would never flat out sell an army for a switch. Either try running some units as a small allied force or pick up a get started box. I would advise against Orks and Tau. Tau is as one dimensional as admech with close to the power levels of eldar. Orks are also one dimensional and a PITA to buy, paint and maybe even play (depending on meta and idea of fun). However from a modeling perspective, they're one of the greatest armies out there.


Dark Eldar have arguably the steepest learning curve of any army, but modeling and conversions can be awesome and they can be played multiple ways (and you can always ally in some eldar to mix things up).

As much as people hate on bugs, I love em to death. They can be run as a shooting, CC or psychic bully army. Run hoarded or nidzilla and the conversion options are second only to orks. And with the GSC release you can run some pseudo -IG that can summon alongside your bugs.

I started in 3rd ed with Chaos but used loyalist marines.

Then I switched to loyalists. With my own colors I was able to make the army last by using the rules for Space Marines, Black Templars, Salamanders and Space Wolves.

Then I sold them and Started Tyranids. Then I sold them and started Necrons.

Then I sold them and Started Tau. Then I sold them and started Orks. Then I sold them and Started Ultramarines.

I kept them for a few editions. I started collecting Orks again in the meantime.

Then I sold them and started Chaos. Then I sold them and started Death Guard. Then I sold them and started Eldar. Then I started Blood Angels. Then Orks again.

Then I sold the Orks and and finished the Blood Angels and traded them for Daemons. Then I finished the Eldar and traded them for more Daemons.

Then I started AoS with Khorne Daemons using the Daemons I have. I also started collecting a few Genestealer Cult things.

Now I'm selling the GSC stuff and I'm trying to sell the Daemons.

All the while I've been amassing Slaanesh Diaz Daemons... which I have in the Swap Shop at the moment.

Nothing wrong with being fickle. Sell them and start something new.

Admech?
Lacking variety?
Are we reading the same codex?

Same codex? I sometimes wonder if I'm playing the same game...

I haven't built my AdMech yet, so can't comment on their gameplay. Eldar, as you know, have LOTS of variety. If you dislike the models, get some Dark Eldar models and start converting.... (or Harlequins).

If you're looking for alternatives, both Tyranids and Orks are FUN. Tyranids offer a range of playstyles. You want horde? Boy they can do hordes. (As can Orks). You want lots of monsters? they can do that too. Orks make me laugh every time I play them. No doubt they're not stunning in tournament play, but they offer huge conversion and painting opportunities, and my regular Eldar opponent simply can't shoot enough of them before I get stuck in with the choppas.

But as others have said elsewhere, go for the models you LIKE. Start a killteam and take it from there. Have fun!

If storage space isn't a concern, I'd advise against selling immediately. Nothing worse than selling your army only to realise the grass isn't always greener.

Pick a new faction, start small and progress a little at a time. I'd probably advise starting off with a faction that can be allied to your main army. This allows you to build up a second force and still bring it to larger games. Eventually as you work your way through the modelling and painting, you can phase the original army out of the lists more.

Thanks for the advice so far everyone.

This certainly isn't a knee jerk reaction, have been feeling it for a while now. I know that an army can and will get stale from time to time. With Eldar their variety is great and they are fun to play it's just really not feeling the challenge with them, great advice on introducing dark eldar and harlequins to start building up from there. Plus I guess then eventually will have enough models for an apocalypse game!

As for Ad mech have played them with war convocation and tried out their other formations but still find them so limiting. Going to have a look at bat reps and codex reviews of other armies to see if there are any alternatives.

In peoples opinion what are the armies that offer the most variety?

I don´t recommend to sell, if you had painted this miniatures with your time and dedications they are a piece of you, your creation. You can take a break and don´t play with him for a few years, but don´t sell them.

When the AoS started I sell my Lizardmend army, now I think that it was a mistake. Not because I want to play AoS, but because they were mine. I sell too my first army long years ago, a Bretonnian army painted like a noob teenager. But it was part of my history, I spent hundreds of hours dreaming with them and painting.

My suggestion is park them for a thime, maybe you could try the horus heresy rules with the mechanicum, is a awesome and balanced sistem with a perfect background. Or play another game (Bloodbowl, malifaux, infinity).

I have thousands of points of Chaos, Grey knights, Orks, Blood angels... But I prefer to wait than sell them and commit the same mistake.

True variety doesn't really exists in (semi) competitive play all armies will just choose the better options.

But when you ignore this you will strangely find that CSM + Daemons and Fw units is one of the most varied armies you could ever choose.

If you want a challenge then Dark Eldar are your go to. Plus they have Covens and if you want to use some Harlequins with them check out the 'Freakshow' list. Pretty versatile but suffer from God awful rules at the moment.

oldzoggy wrote:True variety doesn't really exists in (semi) competitive play all armies will just choose the better options.

But when you ignore this you will strangely find that CSM + Daemons and Fw units is one of the most varied armies you could ever choose.

NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:If you want a challenge then Dark Eldar are your go to. Plus they have Covens and if you want to use some Harlequins with them check out the 'Freakshow' list. Pretty versatile but suffer from God awful rules at the moment.

Great idea for both of these. Always liked the thought of Chaos but thought they were just so so bad it wasn't worth looking into. I only play casually so don't have to worry too much about competitiveness (main reason why Eldar are becoming trying). Do you have an example list to look at?

A freakshow list sounds intriguing, what would the list look like?

Cheers

 Xeones7 wrote:

oldzoggy wrote:True variety doesn't really exists in (semi) competitive play all armies will just choose the better options.

But when you ignore this you will strangely find that CSM + Daemons and Fw units is one of the most varied armies you could ever choose.

NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:If you want a challenge then Dark Eldar are your go to. Plus they have Covens and if you want to use some Harlequins with them check out the 'Freakshow' list. Pretty versatile but suffer from God awful rules at the moment.

Great idea for both of these. Always liked the thought of Chaos but thought they were just so so bad it wasn't worth looking into. I only play casually so don't have to worry too much about competitiveness (main reason why Eldar are becoming trying). Do you have an example list to look at?

A freakshow list sounds intriguing, what would the list look like?

Cheers

Look for Jimsolo's Freakshow Tactica thread, it's pretty in depth and it's all about using Leadership debuffs and attacks against the Leadership value and works best by allying Dark Eldar (who have most of the Ld debuffs) with Harlequins, Corsairs and /or Craftowrld Eldar who have access to the Psychic Powers that deal the most damage in this way.

Personally I'd stick with the Craftworld Eldar and add in other Eldar factions to change things up a bit or just flat out start a new army and switch between them as you want. My main army is Dark Eldar, but I do like running my Aspect Warrior force for Craftworld Eldar (whilst strong, an army of almost nothing but T3 dudes has a very obvious weakness), my Corsair Jet Pack dudes and even throwing in some Harlequins from time to time.

Chaos is too vast to write about in a short post really.
Just you will have to dig around yourself but do not forget to look at IA13 and the new betrayers hate and the updated chaos daemon codex or even the khorne daemon kin book if you are into that stuff.



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There are a lot of good tournament killing chaos lists that we could list to help you on the way but I don't think that you are looking for those if you are no longer wanting to play high power eldar lists.

For example there are multiple top tier lists that abuse units with the beasts(Chaos spawn, khorne hounds beast of nurgle etc, or jetbike (Tzeentch screamer & heralds) special rule by putting powerful characters, you could just choose to be discount Imperial guard and go full chaos renegade and have insanely cheap but hyper effective artillery, you could go full power dice and summon hordes of daemons while wielding 30+ power dice, an list entirely made out daemon chariots or you could even go for Daemon prince flying monster lists. The options are huge especially if you deviate from the power builds. Just don't expect grav weapons, most of the other loyalist tricks or to be able to build a good list that looks like a vanilla SM list.

As Imateria said, check out his/her suggestion. Basically a Freakshow list is all about stacking Ld debuffs. Pretty devastating against Orks and not bad against anything without ATSKNF.

Haven't played one myself but I doubt you will be worrying Necrons and C:SM any time soon with one.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
As Imateria said, check out his/her suggestion. Basically a Freakshow list is all about stacking Ld debuffs. Pretty devastating against Orks and not bad against anything without ATSKNF.

Haven't played one myself but I doubt you will be worrying Necrons and C:SM any time soon with one.

You only really have to worry about ATSKNF and Fearless if using only Dark Eldar, throw in Farseers and the like and suddenly Psychic Shriek against a unit with -4 to it's Leadership can be deverstating.

If you can wiggle the Taghmata (30k AdMech) into your 40k scene, like I've been lucky to manage (and without any hitches, which is wonderful), you'll suddenly find you have a metric fudge-tonne of stuff to try out and pull off.
I've gotten, I think, ~30 odd matches in now over the 10 months I've been playing, using a different list every time.
A few similiarites, different combos of the same formations, but at core, something new every game. I've also dabbled in Custom units, delving into the fluff and fishing out curious things such as the Baharat and Araknakratos.
(Another thing I've been lucky with is the co-operation and lack of qualms about having a go with custom rules; been pretty on point with balance).

So you may be disillusioned with Eldar and AdMech, but there's a heck of a lot you can branch into with those two armies.

I've found AdMech can more or less replicate any play style; one of the reasons I like them so much.
Horde? Skits and Respawning Adsecularis out the backside.
Deathstars? Cybernetica cohorts. (Domitar are very fun for this)
Mobility? A fair-doo of Deepstrike and Jetpack available.
Unkillable armour? Flareshielded tanks, crazy repair shenanigans.
...the list goes on.
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On the point oft. stated above: Don't sell your army until you're damn sure you know what you want to replace it with.
Dip your toes into Start Collecting boxes and Killteam, until you find what you're looking for.
Or, proxy stuff to test new strategies and units before buying the actual models; might rekindle your want of Pansies and Metal men.