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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/27 06:56:44
Subject: Judge my painting (Iron Hands)
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Hello peoples, I've recently gotten back into Warhammer 40k. I haven't painted any miniatures since 2003-2004 and wanted to get opinions and or advice. Don't hold back, I can take it =)
I bought these models used, and the guy who owned them before me used so much glue I can't get them off the bases. Some of them I can't get apart either. They're OOP metal Iron Hands upgrade kit.
Bases aren't finished
http://imgur.com/a/7iGcd
Kinda screwed this guy's eye up(heavy bolter) I had to buy a elite heavy bolter for this guy off Ebay, couldn't find a regular one.
http://imgur.com/a/TJESk
This guy is the worst looking I think
http://imgur.com/a/GxEFv
Razorback
http://imgur.com/a/bm6lZ
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/27 07:14:58
Subject: Judge my painting (Iron Hands)
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
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Your pics ain't showing on dakka.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/27 07:23:47
Subject: Judge my painting (Iron Hands)
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Yeah I saw that. I included links under the pictures instead.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/27 13:15:40
Subject: Judge my painting (Iron Hands)
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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They're painted and based which is a plus (more than I can say about 90% o the Warhammer games I've seen in the past few years). The painting is pretty basic/beginner level --- but it looks exceptionally thick/chalky. It may be paint under yours or glue/failure to clean the miniatures before painting them. For instance you can see large patches of something under the shoulder pads and on the backpacks etc.
Did you strip the models down before painting them?
They look fine for gaming, but there are a lot of areas for improvement. That being said I'd gladly play against them. They could benefit from some cleaner (more precise) painting, definitely thinner paints.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/27 13:31:31
Subject: Re:Judge my painting (Iron Hands)
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Not bad at all, seeing as you've just got back in the saddle! The Razorback in particular looks quite well done, actually Step one on the road to improvement is to definitely thin your paints - that should stop that black and metallic from looking clumpy like it is right now. Either lightly dab the tip of your brush into some water after you've put the paint onto a palette, and mix it into the paint, or make a wet palette to do the job for you: This tutorial will show you how to make one. Next step, apply your paints with a little less vigour - aim to only coat the brush in just enough paint, so that you can still see the bristles. Don't worry if you can still see your undercoat underneath the layer you just applied - just let it dry and apply another layer after. It's always much easier to add more paint than it is to take away. Same goes with shading - just let it flow into the recesses of the model, but don't let it pool towards the bottom or on flat areas, as this will create a very nasty looking effect when it dries. Invest in some fine detail brushes, and you should be able to hit those details more precisely, especially the eyes. A neat trick to doing Space Marine eyes easily is to paint a small amount of white in the middle of the lens, then fill in the eye with a glaze paint to give a subtle but easy glowing effect. I'd suggest Bloodletter for the red. And finally, be patient! Take your time when doing detail work, and you'll have a much neater model by the end of it Hope this helps G.A
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G.A - Should've called myself Ghost Ark
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/27 13:43:02
Subject: Re:Judge my painting (Iron Hands)
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Changing Our Legion's Name
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They look good!, however I feel that the paint has been put on slightly thick. Personally I'd say it can be a bit of a chore purchasing and trying to save previously owned miniatures as like you've said they can be covered in glue etc.. However I have a few little tips that I could give that may be helpful
First off I'd probably be inclined to strip the models of previous paint etc, generally when I do this I use Dettol, sinking the entire miniature in around a ratio of 2:1 water to Dettol over night, this then allows paint to be removed fairly easily with an old toothbrush
As far as painting goes make sure to use a primer before applying any paint to you model, GW do a various range of primers, also companies like Army painter and Vallejo (which would be my choice) do some great primers.
Thinning paints down is also vital to getting a miniature with a smooth neat looking paint scheme. This can either be done with water, or a paint thinning produce, again I use Vallejo paint thinner. especially if using GW black's I find they can get pretty gunky sometimes and would need a couple of thin coats to get an even finish. The black on your models appears to have a strange finish to it, it looks almost kind of powdery although I'm personally not sure what would cause this as its not something I've previously experienced.
The metals are looking good, I'd advise a wash over the top of them to define them more and bring out the details, at the same time as shading them. For this I just go with a GW Nuln Oil wash (it works wonders).
You've clearly done a lot of edge highlighting on the miniature which is something a lot of people try to avoid! Keep that up as it really helps to bring out a paint scheme!
The way you've done the eye lenses looks really good to me, I'd maybe suggest a small amount of gloss varnish over the lenses or maybe some GW Ardcoat although I'm not sure this is exactly the same thing but should still give an almost glass look to the lenses.
I hope these little pointers are at least somewhat helpful. Also these are meant as a constructive criticism that'll hopefully help you to improving your painting skills further!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/27 13:51:08
Subject: Re:Judge my painting (Iron Hands)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Ghostkeel wrote:First off I'd probably be inclined to strip the models of previous paint etc, generally when I do this I use Dettol, sinking the entire miniature in around a ratio of 2:1 water to Dettol over night, this then allows paint to be removed fairly easily with an old toothbrush
Another way is Isopropyl Alcohol - it's much cleaner and safer to use and gets paint off in minutes. I did a full tutorial here - miracle stuff it is!
Still, Dettol is just as viable, and sometimes better if the paint is old or more stubborn. Go with whichever is easiest for you
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/27 14:58:16
Subject: Judge my painting (Iron Hands)
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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Those are not Iron Hands. The real Iron Hands all died on Istvaan.
Jokes aside, now I really like the Rino/Razorback. The infantry not so much, but they are just fine for table top. You can make more contrast by adding shades over the metallics and be a a little bit more neat when applying edge highlights. My marines are almost the same as yours and now I basically re-paint almost all of them, because my edge highlight was kind of sloppy.
About stripping - if the paint is not too thick do not bother with stripping, just repaint. If it is really bad just soak them in ISO for couple of hours.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/27 15:12:14
Subject: Judge my painting (Iron Hands)
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Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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If you are a first time painting its a good start, some tips that will help you out a lot.
1)THIN YOUR PAINTS! no really thin them, never paint right outta the pot, unless you are doing metalics, but again thats situational, and there are cases for thinning, cases for not but neither here nor there.
2)Washes are your friends, as its called at my store, its talent in a bottle, makes models look really good.
3) Never use absolute colors like pure black and pure white by them selves, it makes things look cartoony, unless thats the effect you want.
So here is a down and dirty way to make iron hands.
1)Base in black primer
2)zenithal highlight. (Its a fancy way of saying once your prime in black, take white primer, and spray it from the top down, very lightly, it will create natural highlights for you.
3)base again with abandon black over the black areas.
4) paint all the metal bits in lead beltcher
4)Wash the metal areas with nulin oil.
5) Edge highlight the black armor in some sort of gray, light or medium will work.
6) Dry brush the metal with either lead beltcher, or a lighter silver if you want it brighter.
7)When you paint white for iorn hands, use palyid witch flesh its the best white you can use in GWs range. then waash with nullin oil.
BAM down and dirty iron hands.
Now if you want to get that burn effect on your melta thats really easy to do i found out.
On the tip of the berral wash in nulin oil, and let it dry, then behind it further down the barrel, use daruchi violet(Purple wash), let it dry, then behind that use that sepiam one (Yellowish wash) and it makes a really nice burn effect.
Overall good start, the only way to get better is to keep painting, and paint ever day, even if its for 15 min.
lastly, if you are near a FLG or GW store, go there to paint, painting with people will VASTLY increase your painting skill as they can teaching things they have learned. Automatically Appended Next Post: DalinCriid wrote:Those are not Iron Hands. The real Iron Hands all died on Istvaan.
Jokes aside, now I really like the Rino/Razorback. The infantry not so much, but they are just fine for table top. You can make more contrast by adding shades over the metallics and be a a little bit more neat when applying edge highlights. My marines are almost the same as yours and now I basically re-paint almost all of them, because my edge highlight was kind of sloppy.
About stripping - if the paint is not too thick do not bother with stripping, just repaint. If it is really bad just soak them in ISO for couple of hours.
Not all of them, the iron hands are still alive, the whole chapter was not wiped out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/27 17:37:45
Subject: Judge my painting (Iron Hands)
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Elbows wrote:They're painted and based which is a plus (more than I can say about 90% o the Warhammer games I've seen in the past few years). The painting is pretty basic/beginner level --- but it looks exceptionally thick/chalky. It may be paint under yours or glue/failure to clean the miniatures before painting them. For instance you can see large patches of something under the shoulder pads and on the backpacks etc.
Did you strip the models down before painting them?
They look fine for gaming, but there are a lot of areas for improvement. That being said I'd gladly play against them. They could benefit from some cleaner (more precise) painting, definitely thinner paints.
I stripped them, all the paint is mine. What you see under the black is gray, they're painted three different shades of gray with a black wash over top of it. Because just painting them solid black is boring. A base color gray and two highlights. They were first sprayed with a black primer. The colors underneath the black are supposed to be showing through. It's supposed to look like wear, and fading paint.
The Vallejo black wash came out looking chalky, don't know why.
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Backspacehacker wrote:If you are a first time painting its a good start, some tips that will help you out a lot.
1)THIN YOUR PAINTS! no really thin them, never paint right outta the pot, unless you are doing metalics, but again thats situational, and there are cases for thinning, cases for not but neither here nor there.
2)Washes are your friends, as its called at my store, its talent in a bottle, makes models look really good.
3) Never use absolute colors like pure black and pure white by them selves, it makes things look cartoony, unless thats the effect you want.
So here is a down and dirty way to make iron hands.
1)Base in black primer
2)zenithal highlight. (Its a fancy way of saying once your prime in black, take white primer, and spray it from the top down, very lightly, it will create natural highlights for you.
3)base again with abandon black over the black areas.
4) paint all the metal bits in lead beltcher
4)Wash the metal areas with nulin oil.
5) Edge highlight the black armor in some sort of gray, light or medium will work.
6) Dry brush the metal with either lead beltcher, or a lighter silver if you want it brighter.
7)When you paint white for iorn hands, use palyid witch flesh its the best white you can use in GWs range. then waash with nullin oil.
BAM down and dirty iron hands.
Now if you want to get that burn effect on your melta thats really easy to do i found out.
On the tip of the berral wash in nulin oil, and let it dry, then behind it further down the barrel, use daruchi violet(Purple wash), let it dry, then behind that use that sepiam one (Yellowish wash) and it makes a really nice burn effect.
Overall good start, the only way to get better is to keep painting, and paint ever day, even if its for 15 min.
lastly, if you are near a FLG or GW store, go there to paint, painting with people will VASTLY increase your painting skill as they can teaching things they have learned.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
DalinCriid wrote:Those are not Iron Hands. The real Iron Hands all died on Istvaan.
Jokes aside, now I really like the Rino/Razorback. The infantry not so much, but they are just fine for table top. You can make more contrast by adding shades over the metallics and be a a little bit more neat when applying edge highlights. My marines are almost the same as yours and now I basically re-paint almost all of them, because my edge highlight was kind of sloppy.
About stripping - if the paint is not too thick do not bother with stripping, just repaint. If it is really bad just soak them in ISO for couple of hours.
Not all of them, the iron hands are still alive, the whole chapter was not wiped out.
This is actually how I painted them, but with different colors.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/27 17:51:29
Subject: Judge my painting (Iron Hands)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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germ wrote:
I stripped them, all the paint is mine. What you see under the black is gray, they're painted three different shades of gray with a black wash over top of it. Because just painting them solid black is boring. A base color gray and two highlights. They were first sprayed with a black primer.
The Vallejo black wash came out looking chalky, don't know why.
Could be a number of reasons why the overall effect is a little clumpy and chalky; you may have sprayed the primer too close to the model, or you may have painted on the wash too thickly.
I use Citadel shades, and they've never let me down. Perhaps you should try those in the future and see if they work better
G.A
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G.A - Should've called myself Ghost Ark
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/27 18:02:22
Subject: Judge my painting (Iron Hands)
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Fresh-Faced New User
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General Annoyance wrote:germ wrote:
I stripped them, all the paint is mine. What you see under the black is gray, they're painted three different shades of gray with a black wash over top of it. Because just painting them solid black is boring. A base color gray and two highlights. They were first sprayed with a black primer.
The Vallejo black wash came out looking chalky, don't know why.
Could be a number of reasons why the overall effect is a little clumpy and chalky; you may have sprayed the primer too close to the model, or you may have painted on the wash too thickly.
I use Citadel shades, and they've never let me down. Perhaps you should try those in the future and see if they work better
G.A
The black primer went on beautifully, really thin. I used krylon flat black primer/paint. it's something I did by hand painting with a brush. I have been watering down my paint, but not enough I think. The sergeant is really bad, that was the first one I painted, lol. I just got a thing of Nuln oil, so I'm going to try that instead of the Vallejo wash.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/27 19:40:26
Subject: Re:Judge my painting (Iron Hands)
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Changing Our Legion's Name
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To be honest with you, I used the Vallejo washes previously and found they really couldn't keep up with the quality of the GW washes, they never dried correctly or looked great when finished, I'd probably put it down to being the washes, maybe switch over to the GW wash nuln oil and see if it gives you better results
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/27 23:58:25
Subject: Judge my painting (Iron Hands)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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germ wrote:
The black primer went on beautifully, really thin. I used krylon flat black primer/paint. it's something I did by hand painting with a brush. I have been watering down my paint, but not enough I think. The sergeant is really bad, that was the first one I painted, lol. I just got a thing of Nuln oil, so I'm going to try that instead of the Vallejo wash.
Watering your paint down is one thing, applying it thinly is another. I'd make sure that you apply the layers thinly alongside thinning the paint, and that should resolve the issue.
If you're unsure how thin your paint should be, it should be able to flow off your brush with little to no effort, but also still have some consistency to it - you don't want it running like ink.
Hope that helps
G.A
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G.A - Should've called myself Ghost Ark
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