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PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- The leaders of an armed group who seized a national wildlife refuge in rural Oregon were acquitted Thursday in the 41-day standoff that brought new attention to a long-running dispute over control of federal lands in the U.S. West.
Tumult erupted in the courtroom after the verdicts were read when an attorney for group leader Ammon Bundy demanded his client be immediately released, repeatedly yelling at the judge. U.S. marshals tackled attorney Marcus Mumford to the ground, used a stun gun on him several times and arrested him.
U.S. District Judge Anna Brown said she could not release Bundy because he still faces charges in Nevada stemming from an armed standoff at his father Cliven Bundy's ranch two years ago.
The jury found Bundy, his brother Ryan Bundy and several others not guilty of possessing a firearm in a federal facility and conspiring to impede federal workers from their jobs at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, 300 miles southeast of Portland where the trial took place.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
My mad is maximum...my only hope is that this means I won't have to be so near them every day at work and they're going back to Nevada soon to face yet more charges.
I honestly have no idea how they weren't found guilty.
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Acquittal. A hung jury wouldn't surprise me. 1 person dumb enough to buy whatever BS the defense was selling kind of seems more likely than less. Acquittal means that there were 12 people who bought this crap. Maybe there really was a prosecutor this inept to, but either way. Don't care anymore.
I'm strictly popcorn from now on.
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I think I read that the more serious gun charges are the ones that will be tried in Nevada. These were conspiracy to prevent federal employees from coming to work charges, or something like that. Slightly better explanation below...
I...I...just....
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One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Hey, anyone want come along for an armed take over of a US federal building? Totally legal, excellent camping spots, and you don't even have to clean up the mess at the end.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: Among other things, these chucklefarks got off on "possessing a firearm in a federal facility" despite there being approximately 500 bajillion hours of live video of them doing exactly that. Words fail me.
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Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
My main concern now lies with all the other patriot/militia/dildonian groups out there.
Will they see this verdict and feel vindicated in their thought and feelings of unfair prosecution by the government, and will we see copycat occupations by other groups?
Armed men seize a Federal building and threaten to overthrow the Federal government and NOTHING happens!
God almighty, what has happened to the US justice system?
Compare and contrast that to individuals who are seized, thrown into G'Bay for years, not charged with any crime, and then let go years later....
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
And this is why a jury of civilians doesn't work. How is the US still using this system still? There just have to be some dim lightbulbs in the jury to mess it up?
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The Grumpy Eldar wrote: And this is why a jury of civilians doesn't work. How is the US still using this system still? There just have to be some dim lightbulbs in the jury to mess it up?
Um, the US is not the only country with a jury system
In fact some countries like Scotland, have 13 in a jury...
9/10 the Jury will usually get it right, but I'm damned if I know what happened here.
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Ahtman wrote: I wonder if they would have been acquitted if they were Black/Latino/Asian/Ingenious.
Acquitted? It's more than likely some of them would be dead from the police storming the building.
People took me to task on this on the original thread, but I still maintain that the situation would have been different had these occupiers been non-white.
YMMV.
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
They did all that and got off.
Did they use that drum of lube to coat selves in teflon like abilities lol
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Must be a political decision by the jury not evidence based. They wanted to let them go to spite the authorities, facts didn't come into it. How can you find someone innocent of something they're on film doing? Rubbish.
AlmightyWalrus wrote: Since I'm not very well-versed in US law, what's the likelihood of this being appealed? Surely a more blatantly obvious case would be hard to find?
It can't be appealed, per se: it would be double jeopardy.
However, there might be some state charges that were not yet pressed, pending the federal trial, and there is tons of stuff out there pending in Nevada for the previous Bundy standoff.
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Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
The leader of the armed Oregon standoff sat on the stand for more than three days, laying out his views on the Constitution, the federal government and the duty of man in his plain-spoken way .
It was Ammon Bundy’s 10 hours of testimony that likely won over jurors in a trial that concluded with seven people being acquitted Thursday of federal conspiracy and weapons charges, one legal expert said.
“It gave Ammon a chance to explain his side,” Lewis & Clark Law Professor Tung Yin told the Daily News. “And apparently the jury seemed to agree. I think it’s really hard to see this as anything other than jury nullification.”
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“The fact that they acquitted on everything must be representative of some kind of mistrust of the government or a symbolic protest, or anger at the government,” he said of the jurors.
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