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How do the lasguns on the sides of Chimeras shoot?

Mine are glued in place to avoid them flopping all over the place, but in theory they can rotate in a very wide arc.

Or is it the standard 45 degree arc of vehicle weapons?

I can't figure it out. :(

Alcibiades wrote:

Or is it the standard 45 degree arc of vehicle weapons?

This is not actually a thing. Other than weapons defined as 'hull-mounted' weapons or walkers (which have that defined 45% arc), vehicle weapons can shoot at whatever they can be pointed at. If you've glued the weapon in place, you pretend that you haven't.

 insaniak wrote:

Alcibiades wrote:

Or is it the standard 45 degree arc of vehicle weapons?

This is not actually a thing. Other than weapons defined as 'hull-mounted' weapons or walkers (which have that defined 45% arc), vehicle weapons can shoot at whatever they can be pointed at. If you've glued the weapon in place, you pretend that you haven't.

Thanks. So the lasguns can rotate to face the front, the rear, even straight up? These things seem a lot more useful now.

It's a little odd, because if you move one of the lasguns so it faces the front, it will block the other two. Which I suppose you would ignore?

(Or, its downward firing arc in the front direction is pretty much nonexistent -- since the Chimera is in the way -- so I suppose it couldn't fire at most targets in the front anyway? Infantry being lower than the hull of the Chimera over which the lasgun must shoot, and hence not visible.).

Alcibiades wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Alcibiades wrote:

Or is it the standard 45 degree arc of vehicle weapons?

This is not actually a thing. Other than weapons defined as 'hull-mounted' weapons or walkers (which have that defined 45% arc), vehicle weapons can shoot at whatever they can be pointed at. If you've glued the weapon in place, you pretend that you haven't.

Thanks. So the lasguns can rotate to face the front, the rear, even straight up? These things seem a lot more useful now.

It's a little odd, because if you move one of the lasguns so it faces the front, it will block the other two. Which I suppose you would ignore?

(Or, its downward firing arc in the front direction is pretty much nonexistent -- since the Chimera is in the way -- so I suppose it couldn't fire at most targets in the front anyway? Infantry being lower than the hull of the Chimera over which the lasgun must shoot, and hence not visible.).

each lasgun isn't a separate gun, it's all one gun so they all contribute to the same firing arc

Wait a second.

If we take "a gun can shoot at what it can point at" (and only at that) literally, wouldn't this disallow most turret-mounted weapons from firing at infantry? They can't generally depress, and infantry are shorter than the position of the gun.


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Can the lasgun arrays fire at infantry in the front, even if they're not visible because they're shorter than the hull?

Alcibiades wrote:
Wait a second.

If we take "a gun can shoot at what it can point at" (and only at that) literally, wouldn't this disallow most turret-mounted weapons from firing at infantry? They can't generally depress, and infantry are shorter than the position of the gun.


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Can the lasgun arrays fire at infantry in the front, even if they're not visible because they're shorter than the hull?

the 45 degree rule applies vertically

and yes the hull gets in the way of LoS

 CrownAxe wrote:

Alcibiades wrote:
Wait a second.

If we take "a gun can shoot at what it can point at" (and only at that) literally, wouldn't this disallow most turret-mounted weapons from firing at infantry? They can't generally depress, and infantry are shorter than the position of the gun.


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Can the lasgun arrays fire at infantry in the front, even if they're not visible because they're shorter than the hull?

the 45 degree rule applies vertically

and yes the hull gets in the way of LoS

I appreciate the information. Wow, so that means the Chimera's turret has a serious minimum range issue regarding infantry.

Does the hull getting in the way also apply to firepoints? If so, the ones on a Chimera cannot fire in the front arc (since the turret is in the way).

Yes it does

Alcibiades wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

Alcibiades wrote:
Wait a second.

If we take "a gun can shoot at what it can point at" (and only at that) literally, wouldn't this disallow most turret-mounted weapons from firing at infantry? They can't generally depress, and infantry are shorter than the position of the gun.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Can the lasgun arrays fire at infantry in the front, even if they're not visible because they're shorter than the hull?

the 45 degree rule applies vertically

and yes the hull gets in the way of LoS

I appreciate the information. Wow, so that means the Chimera's turret has a serious minimum range issue regarding infantry.

Does the hull getting in the way also apply to firepoints? If so, the ones on a Chimera cannot fire in the front arc (since the turret is in the way).

Chimera turret isn't really that effected, you can draw los/arc of fire to any part of a model(excluding weapons, banners, and other assorted wargear), most infantry will have their heads within the 45° up/down(remeber, that is 45 total) arc right up to within 1"(straight horizontal) of the barrel(they could possibly wind up behind the barrel but greater than 1" from any part of the chimera)

Also the 45° up/down is written in a way that ignores what the guns could actually traverse vertically.

And the turret on the chimera is offset so the firepoint can be use foreward on the left side.