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TLDR thread, but if i didn't have to spend $50 on each freaking codex, supplement etc, i'd have $50 more for models

As a Death Guard Player I already use less than 25% of the CSM codex and even less of the supplements. I still bought traitors Hate even though I'll probably use only 4-5 formations + psychic powers from it.
Having the other 3 gods, renegades and further legions in the codex doesn't make me want to buy them. Admittedly, proper rules could do it, but usually I stick to what I started with.

Wouldn't buy a single Model because of consolidated books.
Either I want that Model, or I don't. But maybe I'd buy a codex for each Regiment of the Imperial Guard if such was available...

 pumaman1 wrote:
TLDR thread, but if i didn't have to spend $50 on each freaking codex, supplement etc, i'd have $50 more for models

Yup. Or more codexes. I used to buy nearly all codexes. $20-$30 was a solid purchase to keep up on other factions rules, or experiment with different army builds, etc. $50? No way. Now I only buy a book if I'm seriously interested in collecting an army for that faction. Which means I've only bought two in the past few years.

 oldzoggy wrote:
You guys know that the new AoS "codexes" are neither free nor convoluted right ? Sure they started by resetting everything and supplying those rules for free. But....

Every WfB army is slowly being pulled appart into multiple Factions that get their own battle tomes that cost 33$ each and all units not in those new books slowly become useless & oop



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Also note that GW isn't suddenly going to have less book releasing new books with cool new rules is one of the best ways to convince us to buy more mini's.

So if you limit the codexes by merging all sorts of factions you will just be getting more supplements, making the whole thing even cluttier.

The basic rules and unit rules are still completely free. It's disingenuous to try and claim otherwise.

I'll buy something when i'll be sure i can field it without getting nullified by yet another scatbikes or wulfen. Or a new codex deciding that it's a good idea to nerf an allready mediocre unit. As for now, recasts and proxies are the way to go. A bit too expensive to throw money away otherwise.

 General Kroll wrote:


The basic rules and unit rules are still completely free. It's disingenuous to try and claim otherwise.

The "rules" with the melee shooting, the broken sudden death, and the joke rules?

Wow such quality is really a jump forward. I am like, 100% sold.

No. Putting a different army in with the Orks wouldn't make me interested in buying more non Ork models. I don't want them now, I wont want them later and I don't want to pay for a book full of models I don't want to own or armies I don't want to play.
I'd probably just be done with 40K at that point if that was just how it was. Joining all these armies together, beyond those who are faction related... No thank you.

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:


The basic rules and unit rules are still completely free. It's disingenuous to try and claim otherwise.

The "rules" with the melee shooting, the broken sudden death, and the joke rules?

Wow such quality is really a jump forward. I am like, 100% sold.

 General Kroll wrote:

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:


The basic rules and unit rules are still completely free. It's disingenuous to try and claim otherwise.

The "rules" with the melee shooting, the broken sudden death, and the joke rules?

Wow such quality is really a jump forward. I am like, 100% sold.

Quite appropriate, you cannot consider those rules while keeping the eyes open.

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:


The basic rules and unit rules are still completely free. It's disingenuous to try and claim otherwise.

The "rules" with the melee shooting, the broken sudden death, and the joke rules?

Wow such quality is really a jump forward. I am like, 100% sold.

Quite appropriate, you cannot consider those rules while keeping the eyes open.

Nothing to do with the rules, mate the same old snoozefest sarcasm dressed up as opinion is what's sending me to sleep. I actually find AoS a really fun game to play.

As a Tau player, probably not (since at the moment, there's really nothing beyond Farsight Enclaves and Tau Empire to consolidate unless you're using the AM codex as stand-in Gue'la).

If there was a consolidated book that included an expanded Kroot Mercenaries lines and/or Gue'la defense force rules (AM ripoff or not), I'd probably be inclined to pick up models from those lines... but I can't say I'd be any more inclined than if those expansions were their own books.

I might sing a different tune if I were an Imperium or Eldar player, but as is... probably no significant difference.

 General Kroll wrote:

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:


The basic rules and unit rules are still completely free. It's disingenuous to try and claim otherwise.

The "rules" with the melee shooting, the broken sudden death, and the joke rules?

Wow such quality is really a jump forward. I am like, 100% sold.

Quite appropriate, you cannot consider those rules while keeping the eyes open.

I actually find AoS a really fun game to play.

De gustibus non disputandum est

 General Kroll wrote:


The basic rules and unit rules are still completely free. It's disingenuous to try and claim otherwise.

Meh the generals handbook isn't really that free. But we are losing focus.
I don't expect us to be rational beings when we buy models.

The logic of
1) Total gaming budget = money to be spend on Mini's + money to be spend books
2) Budget is a constant
=> Money spend on mini's = C - money spend on books
seems solid but this is not how I buy stuff and not how I expect most of us to buy stuff.

This is my best guess on how I and most of us spend my money on 40k.
1 Money spend on 40k in a year = sum ( money spend on 40k each period)
2) money spend on 40k each time period = enthusiasm * cost of the stuff I want to buy on that day
3) money spend on 40k each time period is maximized by the money I can justify at that moment to spend on it.
4) enthusiasm = a * new cool books + background enthusiasm

So more books will result in me buying more stuff as long as I do have enough money, the books are actually good and they don't over saturate me / kill the flow.

Consolidated codex's have nothing to do with amount of models i will buy , it has everything to do with the high prices

You could merge a few imperial armies

But not some of the other races as they don,t have 10 million allied options.

To be honest, I have not bought a Codex from GW since 6th edition. I got a copy of the 7th edition Codex as a gift on iTunes, and anything else has been off eBay for less than 50% of what it cost originally.

I would purchase more models if it were not for Codexes. Not the cost of Codexes, but for all the defects that come along with a printed guide where the rules put my armies (CSM, Orks) at a severe disadvantage. It takes years to get an update and my enjoyment of the game goes way down during that time. I hate having to be the guy with a dozen army lists prepared to fight each other faction, I would rather have some commitment to making things balanced in an ongoing fashion.

Hence - I stopped buying models until the rules get sorted. GW doesn't need my money that bad.

EDIT: I meant to say this. Does IA:13 actually count as a Codex? That was one book I did not mind paying for.

 techsoldaten wrote:
To be honest, I have not bought a Codex from GW since 6th edition. I got a copy of the 7th edition Codex as a gift on iTunes, and anything else has been off eBay for less than 50% of what it cost originally.

I would purchase more models if it were not for Codexes. Not the cost of Codexes, but for all the defects that come along with a printed guide where the rules put my armies (CSM, Orks) at a severe disadvantage. It takes years to get an update and my enjoyment of the game goes way down during that time. I hate having to be the guy with a dozen army lists prepared to fight each other faction, I would rather have some commitment to making things balanced in an ongoing fashion.

Hence - I stopped buying models until the rules get sorted. GW doesn't need my money that bad.

EDIT: I meant to say this. Does IA:13 actually count as a Codex? That was one book I did not mind paying for.

IA:13 as a whole isn't a codex, the Renegades army list in it does though

Would I buy more models, probably not, but I would buy less codices.

Seriously though, the codices as gateways is an outdated business model, and are a hindrance to balancing the game. Also outside of digital distribution they are not hugely profitable. So why not surrender to the inevitable and go pure digital and/or make the rules free, and boom suddenly you just lowered the bar to entry into the hobby. Between free/cheap rules and small model count sub-games like kill team, you could get someone into the game for less than the cost of a nice dinner. Then they will want to collect more units to get into larger games.

You can still put out beautiful fluff books for those that want them, and I would, but with them not being sacrosanct collections of rules the game can adapt. With it all being digital, if a unit is weak you can lower it's point cost without a single word printed on dead tree, and since everything is digital and free you can push that change downstream with no effort and no cost to the player.

Keeping it all in an app also allows you to proactively inform players about the units they are using, "Hey unit X which is in your army list had it's ability Y mentioned in an FAQ would you like to see?" Or "New units available for your army, would you like to check them out?". It's an age of rules as a service, as opposed to rules as a product. Because we all know what product they are good at making (the models) and what product they are kind of awful at making (the rules). Though in all fairness, I don't think it's reasonable for them to get the rules right every time, there are too many moving parts in a game like 40k. What is reasonable is to expect them to fix it, and digital lowers the bar to fixes immensely.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
As a Death Guard Player I already use less than 25% of the CSM codex and even less of the supplements.

DG are probably the most over-represented CSM legion. Most other legions get a fraction of the attention that the Nurgle boys do.

 MarsNZ wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
As a Death Guard Player I already use less than 25% of the CSM codex and even less of the supplements.

DG are probably the most over-represented CSM legion. Most other legions get a fraction of the attention that the Nurgle boys do.

You mean Khorne boyz, right?