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So after i picked up some of the new deathwatch models it got me thinking. I read somewhere in the codex that the deathwatch is the military arm of the ordo xenos, and that the grey knights are the military arm of the ordo malleus. So following this theme does the ordo hereticus of the inqusition have a bunch of specialist space marines running around doing their dirty work like the other ordos? Would the sisters of battle fill this role or maybe the adeptus arbites?

The SoB serve as the fighting force that Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors can call upon. No special Space Marines or anything

Yentzer wrote:So after i picked up some of the new deathwatch models it got me thinking. I read somewhere in the codex that the deathwatch is the military arm of the ordo xenos, and that the grey knights are the military arm of the ordo malleus. So following this theme does the ordo hereticus of the inqusition have a bunch of specialist space marines running around doing their dirty work like the other ordos? Would the sisters of battle fill this role or maybe the adeptus arbites?

The concept of the Chamber Millitant no longer exists as it once did. Instead, the Deathwatch and the Grey Knights are independent entities that have working relationships with particular individuals and sub-factions within the Inquisition. The difference is in the old days, the Inquisition said, "Jump," the Deathwatch said, "How high?" Now the Deathwatch says, "That's an excellent suggestion. We're most likely going to do that."
It gives each entity more autonomy and makes politics between institutions much more interesting.

Inquisitors of the Ordo Hereticus aren't likely to have those kinds of established relationships with the Deathwatch or the Grey Knights, though it's not impossible. Instead, their military connections tend to come from the Adepta Sororitas and the Militarum Tempestus, the Sisters of Battle and the Storm Trooper regiments.

General Annoyance wrote:The SoB serve as the fighting force that Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors can call upon. No special Space Marines or anything

Ah yes, I almost forgot. The Red Hunters chapter are a space marine chapter who have dedicated themselves to the Inquisition as a whole. They too primarily work alongside Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors.

jareddm wrote:

General Annoyance wrote:The SoB serve as the fighting force that Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors can call upon. No special Space Marines or anything

Ah yes, I almost forgot. The Red Hunters chapter are a space marine chapter who have dedicated themselves to the Inquisition as a whole. They too primarily work alongside Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors.

It is worth mentioning that the Inquisition has the power to demand for any Imperial force to serve their needs as required. The Ordos just typically stick and confide best in the three forces they are known best for using when carrying out their duties - the Grey Knights, the Deathwatch and the SoB.

G.A

 General Annoyance wrote:

jareddm wrote:

General Annoyance wrote:The SoB serve as the fighting force that Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors can call upon. No special Space Marines or anything

Ah yes, I almost forgot. The Red Hunters chapter are a space marine chapter who have dedicated themselves to the Inquisition as a whole. They too primarily work alongside Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors.

It is worth mentioning that the Inquisition has the power to demand for any Imperial force to serve their needs as required. The Ordos just typically stick and confide best in the three forces they are known best for using when carrying out their duties - the Grey Knights, the Deathwatch and the SoB.

G.A

Technically they have that power, but in reality the likes of the Space Wolves and Dark Angels, and probably other chapters as wel, are just going to tell them to sit on it and swivel. This means they have to be very careful when demanding aid from Sapce Marine chapters.

 General Annoyance wrote:

jareddm wrote:

General Annoyance wrote:The SoB serve as the fighting force that Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors can call upon. No special Space Marines or anything

Ah yes, I almost forgot. The Red Hunters chapter are a space marine chapter who have dedicated themselves to the Inquisition as a whole. They too primarily work alongside Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors.

It is worth mentioning that the Inquisition has the power to demand for any Imperial force to serve their needs as required. The Ordos just typically stick and confide best in the three forces they are known best for using when carrying out their duties - the Grey Knights, the Deathwatch and the SoB.

G.A

And of those are highly specialized to thee job. You'd find no better.
To be honest. The inquisition rather use them over press ganging who ever random in.

And you do not demand, dealing which such requires care and skill.

Imateria wrote:Technically they have that power, but in reality the likes of the Space Wolves and Dark Angels, and probably other chapters as wel, are just going to tell them to sit on it and swivel. This means they have to be very careful when demanding aid from Sapce Marine chapters.

jhe90 wrote:And of those are highly specialized to thee job. You'd find no better.
To be honest. The inquisition rather use them over press ganging who ever random in.

And you do not demand, dealing which such requires care and skill.

These are both true - you'd certainly have to be an Inquisitor who is reasonable, demands respect and who isn't totally ignorant of Imperial politics to receive aid from certain Imperial factions.

Usually it's just best to stick with the militant arms, since they need no convincing and are usually ideal for the task an Inquisitor will have to carry out, like jhe said.

 General Annoyance wrote:

Imateria wrote:Technically they have that power, but in reality the likes of the Space Wolves and Dark Angels, and probably other chapters as wel, are just going to tell them to sit on it and swivel. This means they have to be very careful when demanding aid from Sapce Marine chapters.

jhe90 wrote:And of those are highly specialized to thee job. You'd find no better.
To be honest. The inquisition rather use them over press ganging who ever random in.

And you do not demand, dealing which such requires care and skill.

These are both true - you'd certainly have to be an Inquisitor who is reasonable, demands respect and who isn't totally ignorant of Imperial politics to receive aid from certain Imperial factions.

Usually it's just best to stick with the militant arms, since they need no convincing and are usually ideal for the task an Inquisitor will have to carry out, like jhe said.

Sister for example. Have medical, language, genelologey and combat branches.
A inquisitor could find alot more there than just combat troops.

Sisters are strong back up for investigation.

Just one reason to use over regular conscripted so and sos

 General Annoyance wrote:

It is worth mentioning that the Inquisition has the power to demand for any Imperial force to serve their needs as required. The Ordos just typically stick and confide best in the three forces they are known best for using when carrying out their duties - the Grey Knights, the Deathwatch and the SoB.

G.A

Not quite. As said, Astartes enjoy a certain autonomy from a lot of standard Imperial command hierarchy. If an Inquisitor knows what's good for them, they can politely request aid from a Space Marine chapter or organisation. It's rarely needed, though. Space Marines tend to be rather pro-active and duty/honor bound to help fight the enemies of the Imperium.

 Imateria wrote:

 General Annoyance wrote:

jareddm wrote:

General Annoyance wrote:The SoB serve as the fighting force that Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors can call upon. No special Space Marines or anything

Ah yes, I almost forgot. The Red Hunters chapter are a space marine chapter who have dedicated themselves to the Inquisition as a whole. They too primarily work alongside Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors.

It is worth mentioning that the Inquisition has the power to demand for any Imperial force to serve their needs as required. The Ordos just typically stick and confide best in the three forces they are known best for using when carrying out their duties - the Grey Knights, the Deathwatch and the SoB.

G.A

Technically they have that power, but in reality the likes of the Space Wolves and Dark Angels, and probably other chapters as wel, are just going to tell them to sit on it and swivel. This means they have to be very careful when demanding aid from Sapce Marine chapters.

As much as people love to bring up the snowflake chapters the dark angels and space wolves combined make up 0.2% of space marines, who are already incredibly rare as it is. Inquisitors regularly deputize space marines without a second thought.

It's always more interesting to posit an antagonism between Inquisitors and Astartes. But, the Space Marines are probably easier to start than to stop. I would imagine an Inquisitor would not have much trouble activating help from a SM Chapter. Especially if an Inquisitor is most likely only going to requisition help from the Marines in dire circumstances.

 MarsNZ wrote:
As much as people love to bring up the snowflake chapters the dark angels and space wolves combined make up 0.2% of space marines, who are already incredibly rare as it is. Inquisitors regularly deputize space marines without a second thought.

Inquisitors are also not that common. If one is in a warzone or otherwise near a Chapter operation it might even be suspicious if he didn't ask the marines for help. Ofc I'm imagining Inquisitors like Eisenhorn before he went bad - he'll determine what forces are needed for his mission and then ask the local powers to provide it. He's not going to pull a Titan from the frontlines to threaten a few rebels.

Spetulhu wrote:

 MarsNZ wrote:
As much as people love to bring up the snowflake chapters the dark angels and space wolves combined make up 0.2% of space marines, who are already incredibly rare as it is. Inquisitors regularly deputize space marines without a second thought.

Inquisitors are also not that common. If one is in a warzone or otherwise near a Chapter operation it might even be suspicious if he didn't ask the marines for help. Ofc I'm imagining Inquisitors like Eisenhorn before he went bad - he'll determine what forces are needed for his mission and then ask the local powers to provide it. He's not going to pull a Titan from the frontlines to threaten a few rebels.

Also the admech are a whole new kettle of fish to work with.

Its like marines again.
And yes, pulling a titan requires some solid reasoning. Or thrre own inquisitors will investigate them.

 jhe90 wrote:
Also the admech are a whole new kettle of fish to work with.

Its like marines again.
And yes, pulling a titan requires some solid reasoning. Or thrre own inquisitors will investigate them.

Yeah, I'd imagine dealing with the Admech to be an even more sensitive enterprise than approaching most Astartes chapters. You won't have that strong sense on duty/honor to appeal to, at the very least.

 Anfauglir wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
Also the admech are a whole new kettle of fish to work with.

Its like marines again.
And yes, pulling a titan requires some solid reasoning. Or thrre own inquisitors will investigate them.

Yeah, I'd imagine dealing with the Admech to be an even more sensitive enterprise than approaching most Astartes chapters. You won't have that strong sense on duty/honor to appeal to, at the very least.

That comes down to. Do you have something we want.
Someone we want.
Or worthy of our interest.

And well given admech I so changeble and varried. A different forge could be akin to talking to a entirely new nation.

 Anfauglir wrote:

 General Annoyance wrote:

It is worth mentioning that the Inquisition has the power to demand for any Imperial force to serve their needs as required. The Ordos just typically stick and confide best in the three forces they are known best for using when carrying out their duties - the Grey Knights, the Deathwatch and the SoB.

G.A

Not quite. As said, Astartes enjoy a certain autonomy from a lot of standard Imperial command hierarchy. If an Inquisitor knows what's good for them, they can politely request aid from a Space Marine chapter or organisation. It's rarely needed, though. Space Marines tend to be rather pro-active and duty/honor bound to help fight the enemies of the Imperium.

And any Chapter that is not a First Founding Chapter will respond, promptly, to any Inquisitor's request for aid... if the Chapter knows what's good for it. The Inquisition is *not* "standard Imperial command heirarchy".

 Psienesis wrote:
And any Chapter that is not a First Founding Chapter will respond, promptly, to any Inquisitor's request for aid... if the Chapter knows what's good for it. The Inquisition is *not* "standard Imperial command heirarchy".

Right. And they'll do so primarily out of their strong sense of duty to the Emperor, and not because they fear or even particularly respect the Inquisition's self-appointed authority. The Inquisitor has nothing to gain from insulting a Chapter by making demands of them when they know full well a simple, polite request will be more than sufficient to secure their help. First Founding or not, they will have their pride.

 Anfauglir wrote:
Right. And they'll do so primarily out of their strong sense of duty to the Emperor, and not because they fear or even particularly respect the Inquisition's self-appointed authority. The Inquisitor has nothing to gain from insulting a Chapter by making demands of them when they know full well a simple, polite request will be more than sufficient to secure their help. First Founding or not, they will have their pride.

Exactly so. Inquisitor asks nicely (and details the threat he needs help with), Chapter Master responds politely (and details what resources he can free for the task at hand). The forms have been met, no one has been insulted and things work out well for all except the hapless fools that caught the attention of the Inquisition in the first place.

A Chapter in truly dire straits (like down to under a third in strength and having trouble keeping their recruiting world safe) could even say no and rightly expect the Inquisitor to understand and respect such a decision.

Inquisitorial storm troopers (militarum temptestus) used to be a thing. Apparently the schola progetium was formed to train Inquisition personel (from ciaphas Cain book two: caves of ice). All the menial tasks that requires men with guns are done by storm troopers if not by an Inquisitors own henchmen. In 3ed deamonhunter codex it said that the ammount of storm troopers varied. Sometimes being an Inquisitors private army, other times being an Inquisition fighting force to be deployed as requested from a cabal/conclave. In any case it's probably the quickest way for an Inquisitor to call upon a fighting force though generally speaking the big three, GK, SoB and DW are preferable.
Also they have the authority to requested Imperial Guard regiments as well as arbites and PDF on a as needed basis.

Edit: btw, I prefered it when the chamber militant was a thing. I think it made way more sense for Inquisitiorial institutions to actually serve under the Inquisiton.

It does. Because the other function of the chambers militant was to act as the inquisitors arm when he wants to do something that a chapter master will not approve of.

There may be good, sound political reasons to exterminate a loyal guard regiment or assassinate a planetary governor. But as the Emperors gift shows, trying to get an astartes chapter who are obsessed with honour and warrior brotherhood to do it will cause more problems than it solves.