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Dakka,

Are there any Space Marine chapters that have left the service to the emperor, for what ever reason, but do not align themselves with the forces of chaos? Thanks

Of course, Relictor, Soul Drinkers, Knights of Blood and more.

The lists does contain some who flirt with chaos but all the non chaos worshippers are also in this list.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Renegade_Space_Marine_Chapters_(List)

-But the Astral Claws and the Tiger Claws are full Chaos by the end of the 41 millenium, they are the Red Corsairs, thye are the Claws no more.

-The Ashen (more claws) are Blackshields during the HH.

-The Flame falcons may be the Legion of the damned, maybe.

What about the Alpha legion? Oh wait, they did turn to chaos... Or did they?

At least at the 41 millenium they did.

 Justycar wrote:
At least at the 41 millenium they did.

That's what they want you to think.

 Smotejob wrote:
Dakka,

Are there any Space Marine chapters that have left the service to the emperor, for what ever reason, but do not align themselves with the forces of chaos? Thanks

I think thats the wrong question. I think what you are meaning to ask is: Are there chapters that have turned their back on the Imperium/HLoT but remain loyal to the Emperor?

The Soul Drinkers are a prime example of loyal to Emperor but not Imperium. It is arguable that the Carcharodons aren't loyal to the Imperium if you look at their backstory and their chapter tactics. Mantis Warriors, whom the Carcharodons curbstomped, weren't full Chaos.

Arguably both the Alpha Legion and the Night Lords also fall under this category.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Arguably both the Alpha Legion and the Night Lords also fall under this category.

The Alpha legion certainly (or not) but I would say the night lords did turn their backs on the emperor however they regreted doing so, well at least Konrad did.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
Arguably both the Alpha Legion and the Night Lords also fall under this category.

The Alpha legion certainly (or not) but I would say the night lords did turn their backs on the emperor however they regreted doing so, well at least Konrad did.

Konrad did, the Night Haunter didn't. The Night Lords had by then turned into the image of the latter, rather than the former - nihilistic sadists. While they certainly willingly betrayed the Emperor they also despised those that fully embraced Chaos.

The Night Lords were, probably, the first renegades. In the Heresy Konrad feel disgusting the chaos corruption.

They only turned agains the Emperor for ideological reasons, not for the glory or the power or chaos gods. That was the final reason to Konrad let be kill.

To demonstrate that the Imperium was the same mierda that chaos, they were created as monster and they were not denying his nature.

The Space Sharks are the pet-Chapter of the HLOT. They are most-certainly loyalists.

 Chef_of_Cadia wrote:
The Soul Drinkers are a prime example of loyal to Emperor but not Imperium. It is arguable that the Carcharodons aren't loyal to the Imperium if you look at their backstory and their chapter tactics. Mantis Warriors, whom the Carcharodons curbstomped, weren't full Chaos.

Mantis warriors are loyal and we're let back in after being given a hard as balls punishment though, last I remember.

 Psienesis wrote:
The Space Sharks are the pet-Chapter of the HLOT. They are most-certainly loyalists.

I thought the Minotaurs where the pet chapter of the High Lords of Terra.

Merellin wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
The Space Sharks are the pet-Chapter of the HLOT. They are most-certainly loyalists.

I thought the Minotaurs where the pet chapter of the High Lords of Terra.

From the Badab War books, specifically IA 10, the Space Sharks appeared out of no where, having not been seen in centuries, in the middle of a giant Space Marines vs Space Marines war. No one recognized them, no one knew if they were loyalist or traitor.

The Inquisitor in charge, with the authority of the High Lords of Terra, boarded their ship, demanded their fealty, and they took the knee, declaring that they would do his bidding.

After the war, they rode back into the warp.

That doesn't make them a pet chapter of the HLoT by any means.

Loyal? Without question. Pets? No way.

A lot of chapters do this. Im currently creating a chapter who are loyal to the Emperor but not the Imperium. They work as mercenaries for the Tau in exchange for protection and help

I fiddled with a similar idea for a chapter as allies for my tau back at 6th BB era.
Couldn't get it to be reasonable no matter how I spun it.

So would you just use the space marine codex for a chapter like this? Or are there rules for renegades in the chaos marines codex?

And would a chapter that went rogue ever use the 30k HH tradition of going blackshield? I would like to use blackshields for my 40k Killteam and say they're mercenaries who prefer hiring themselves out to Rogue Traders.

 Chef_of_Cadia wrote:
The Soul Drinkers are a prime example of loyal to Emperor but not Imperium. It is arguable that the Carcharodons aren't loyal to the Imperium if you look at their backstory and their chapter tactics. Mantis Warriors, whom the Carcharodons curbstomped, weren't full Chaos.

Soul Drinkers stayed loyal, but were being corrupted by Chaos by their leader, according to their last novel. Much like Blood Ravens in Dawn of War 2.

Carcharodons as they appear in the Badab War are loyal to the Imperium, or at least pretending to be. Their highest ranking leader bowed to the symbol of the Emperor's authority and took orders from an Inquisitor. Their lore says they saved the Blood Angels and never attacked Imperial churches.

If they are the original Terran Raven Guard exiles, they are loyal. If they are instead descendants of the Ashen Claws, then they are indeed not loyal to the Imperium but this doesn't seem as likely due to the timing of the releases (HH3 vs. HH6).

Their original Chapter Tactics were simply Furious Charge like BA. Their new Chapter Tactics represent loyal forces disliking THEM, not their unwillingness to be loyal or cooperate with other Imperials.

Mantis Warriors never intended on leaving the Imperium. They were simply misled into helping the Astral Claws. Similarly, the Executioners and Lamenters were also Imperium loyal Badab Secessionist forces.

 Mrs. Esterhouse wrote:
So would you just use the space marine codex for a chapter like this? Or are there rules for renegades in the chaos marines codex?

And would a chapter that went rogue ever use the 30k HH tradition of going blackshield? I would like to use blackshields for my 40k Killteam and say they're mercenaries who prefer hiring themselves out to Rogue Traders.

You can use both codex, depending the level of corruption. The best example are the Astral claws (codex marines) but the Red Corsairs (codex chaos?.

Most of the blackshields were reintegrated in the Imperium.after the heresy as second founding chapters of unknown origin.

That is the best explication to the Ashen Claws - Space Skarks connection, given the current lore. The HH book 6 shows that.

Ah that's too bad. I like the idea of blackshields. Already painted my Killteam up like them. Also I can't get the damn decals to stick on the pauldrons so my marines have no heraldry!

.... there's a Chapter called the Space Sharks?

 TheLumberJack wrote:
A lot of chapters do this. Im currently creating a chapter who are loyal to the Emperor but not the Imperium. They work as mercenaries for the Tau in exchange for protection and help

I came up with a similar idea for my homebrew Eldar Craftworld. It's called Cammberto and due to a tragic boaking accident its military is forced to rely solely on Scatterlasers, Jetbikes, Wraithknights and D weapons. For protection and help they occasionally ally with the Tau sept of Mont'Jak, whose commander has so many spare Riptides he sometimes lends the Eldar three at a time. I like to play fluffy.

 Mrs. Esterhouse wrote:
Ah that's too bad. I like the idea of blackshields. Already painted my Killteam up like them. Also I can't get the damn decals to stick on the pauldrons so my marines have no heraldry!

Well, the cannon dont have to be an obstacle to your own ideas. Maybe your Blackshields entered in.service to the Inquisition after the heresy, even it s a common thing. Garro and another survivors were the first Grey Kights and between them there were at least one Black Shield Commander, The Nemean Reaver.

Crysos Morturg and Endryd Haar are other two examples of leaders of Blackshield warbands loyal to the Imperium, Endryd Haar had, probably, direct comunication with Marcador, the founder of the inquisition. (Xana)

In the current cannon the Deatwacht remount his origins to the M32, 1000 years after the heresy, and the Blackshields were a tale from.the past, BUT is your game, your history, enjoy it, change it.




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 BBAP wrote:
.... there's a Chapter called the Space Sharks?

 TheLumberJack wrote:
A lot of chapters do this. Im currently creating a chapter who are loyal to the Emperor but not the Imperium. They work as mercenaries for the Tau in exchange for protection and help

I came up with a similar idea for my homebrew Eldar Craftworld. It's called Cammberto and due to a tragic boaking accident its military is forced to rely solely on Scatterlasers, Jetbikes, Wraithknights and D weapons. For protection and help they occasionally ally with the Tau sept of Mont'Jak, whose commander has so many spare Riptides he sometimes lends the Eldar three at a time. I like to play fluffy.

Now are named Carcharodons, they appeared in the Bad War abd in some novels and they are descendants of the Terran Raven Guard discarded by Corax, probably the Ashen Claws of the HH.

And... There are no spiders in Camberto, may were the unique temple surviving the incident.

 BBAP wrote:
.... there's a Chapter called the Space Sharks?

 TheLumberJack wrote:
A lot of chapters do this. Im currently creating a chapter who are loyal to the Emperor but not the Imperium. They work as mercenaries for the Tau in exchange for protection and help

I came up with a similar idea for my homebrew Eldar Craftworld. It's called Cammberto and due to a tragic boaking accident its military is forced to rely solely on Scatterlasers, Jetbikes, Wraithknights and D weapons. For protection and help they occasionally ally with the Tau sept of Mont'Jak, whose commander has so many spare Riptides he sometimes lends the Eldar three at a time. I like to play fluffy.

Mine is that they had a home world that had a sentient xenos species on it that the local population would trade with. The xenos weren't hostile and helped the local population survive, and the Marines really cared about the population of the planet, like the salamanders. One day an inquisitor came to the home world and found out about the xenos. He ordered the Marines to kill the population of the planet and that they would be punished. The marines refused, killed the inquisition and fled. In fleeing they met the tau who help them in exchange for mercenary work. They love the Emperor but hate the imperium

 Justycar wrote:
And... There are no spiders in Camberto, may were the unique temple surviving the incident.

That's right! How did you guess? :-P Although there are a few Swooping Hawks left too, and sometimes the Tau will send lots of Pirhanas or a Stormsurge instead of the Riptides.