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Going to get just nastier in future. Either Trump will be true to his words and bomb ISIS like never before which means USA starting to bomb there or he will hand Syria to Russia in which case Russia has free reign to bomb rebels who without support from US will be struggling.

Either way not looking good there in future either. Refugee tide is likely to just keep increasing in size.

Aleppo is an encircled city, yes? Stalingrad 2.0?

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Must be a logistical nightmare for the various military planners there. And an actual nightmare for the people living there.

On paper, Aleppo is almost double encircled by multiple different factions which is part of why everything is so confusing and why its so hard to get in or out or establish corridors. I dont see it getting any better any time soon.

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 Freakazoitt wrote:

 feeder wrote:
Aleppo is an encircled city, yes? Stalingrad 2.0?

Syrian army encircled and besieged the rebels, but they re also surrounded by Al-quaeda related groups, the opposition and ISIS. But ISIS there distracted by Turkey + FSA advance and kurds. And Turkey/FSA fights against kurds too. Therefore, it simply can not explain clearly who and where is it doing there ...

It helps to have a flowchart.



Mind, that's about three years old at this point, so things have shifted somewhat, and there's new players as well.

 Laughing Man wrote:

 Freakazoitt wrote:

 feeder wrote:
Aleppo is an encircled city, yes? Stalingrad 2.0?

Syrian army encircled and besieged the rebels, but they re also surrounded by Al-quaeda related groups, the opposition and ISIS. But ISIS there distracted by Turkey + FSA advance and kurds. And Turkey/FSA fights against kurds too. Therefore, it simply can not explain clearly who and where is it doing there ...

It helps to have a flowchart.

Spoiler:

Mind, that's about three years old at this point, so things have shifted somewhat, and there's new players as well.

There is a better understeandable for 40k players:

Northern Aleppo resistance collapsed.

So, is Aleppo freed soon ?

 Freakazoitt wrote:
I want to create this topic for those who are interested in the events of the battle for Aleppo.
I do not think that the events are suitable for the "ISIS" thread, because there are different terrorist groups and opposition.
And so ... the ceasefire failed, civilians were not able to get out of the besieged part of the city, militants did not want to give up - the battle continues

Haven't watched a lot of footage of the conflict in Aleppo. Just bits and pieces.


The situation is pretty much as it was/is in Jobar and Darayya, which I've seen footage of in detail. Lots of tank porn and house to house.


None of it is good for the common folks (many of whom probably don't give a damn about politics) caught up in it. These places are being shot up to hell and back.

looks like rebels will not stand long

Russian mobile hospital destroyed by mortar strike immediately once was deployed

Some rebels group brought vehicles to Assad forces and they allowed them to leave Aleppo.



Army advance slowed as they reached high-dence suburbs of "old Aleppo"

Glory to the victorious Syrian-Iraninan-Lebanese-Russian-Palestinian army!

 Freakazoitt wrote:
Glory to the victorious Syrian-Iraninan-Lebanese-Russian-Palestinian army!

yeah, no....This is a Russian victory, the rest of those clowns are just in the way.

Can't Mossad the Assad.

I don't think a lot of people realize those rebels will most likely be defections to Isis.

Sorry had to correct what I originally posted.

UN reports government troops capturing and murdering civilians that are attempting to flee.

 Frazzled wrote:
UN reports government troops capturing and murdering civilians that are attempting to flee.

But of course. All they'll do is go on living under Assad's rule or plotting revenge. Maybe both.

 Frazzled wrote:
UN reports government troops capturing and murdering civilians that are attempting to flee.

Does not surprise me in the least.

On the other hand, I firmly believe that if the USA/UK/Saudis hadn't been funneling arms to these 'moderates*' then the war would have been over 2 or 3 years ago, and the suffering would have been a lot less. I blame Western intervention, i.e our respective nations, plus the Saudi proxy war, for prolonging the agony.

*There are people in the British government who still use the term moderates, and even worse, they say it with a straight face

 Frazzled wrote:
UN reports government troops capturing and murdering civilians that are attempting to flee.

They were ok, when it's really happening inside the rebel-held Aleppo? It means, UN is useless now for actual helping people from being captured and killed and it's don't bypass the language filter like this Reds8n propaganda instrument. I would not be surprised if the "proof" of the army crimes are just posts in Facebook, which are written by someone in Turkey or in California.

Well we could nuke the bases flying Russian aircraft. That would make UN less useless and keep them safe. How's that for a plan?

 Frazzled wrote:



Well we could nuke the bases flying Russian aircraft. That would make UN less useless and keep them safe. How's that for a plan?

Frazz, that's the worst plan since the Trojans said that wooden horse would make a nice souvenir!

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:



Well we could nuke the bases flying Russian aircraft. That would make UN less useless and keep them safe. How's that for a plan?

Frazz, that's the worst plan since the Trojans said that wooden horse would make a nice souvenir!

Oh come on I've thought of far worse plans. It would free the rebels of Russian intrusion...forever. Plus, as nondirect targets when the big exchange goes off, they'll be sitting pretty for the restart of civilization.

Even with cities surrender. Even winning. War not over. There's still rebel and is strongholds all over.

Israeli border still in rebel etc hands for most part, palmira, raqqa, many others not in assads hands.

Lastly, Assad claimed the city. What's left but rubble and ruins after years of fighting. The city will take decades to fully restore.

If the Russians were really serious about this, one or two of their mechanized battallions and this "rebellion" is over. Then the business of wiping out ISIS can commence in earnest. Now is a good time if you are a Syrian who does not want to live under Assad to move.

Interestingly on Channel 4 news - one commentator was saying even if the West had supported the various rebel groups from the beginning - the end game would have been similar just Assads side being bombed and slaughtered. However they cut him off pretty quickly when he started talking about this as it didn't fit their story. Its a Civil War - they are often even more brutal than normal war.

Everyone looks bad comng out of this conflict - plenty of western Politicians hand wringing in public but knowing their public would not support them if they went to war over Syria.

The West owes Syria nothing, any support we may have offered was enough, they are neither our friends nor our allies. It is their war, they launched it, and now they are losing it. I find it odd that with Assad being such an evil man that all the minorities fled TO him, not away. My only criticism of Russia here is this.."Finish this mummers farce" get it over with, and maybe Trump will have the guts to lift the sanctions and stop this charade of caring.

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