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2016/12/04 21:06:51
Subject: I am excited when will the Old World and Warhammer Fantasy Battles return
The death of Warhammer fantasy enabled room for fans to remake the rules in their own image and fix them. 9th Age is great, just name everything back to its 8th edition roots.
The AoS boxsets also helps with building old warhammer armies.
Games Workship can still sell Warhammer fantasy if it wants to. The way to do it is to perpetuate sales of sperate square bases and to sell two books, an official 9th edition rulebook and an official 9th edition full Ravening Hordes with all the army lists in good detail. Two good size hardback books which will sell very nicely.
Old models could bet intermittently released as plastics on mail order. Ge mail order did old school IG models not too long ago, they could do Bretonnians once a year just as easily.
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2016/12/05 00:31:17
Subject: I am excited when will the Old World and Warhammer Fantasy Battles return
While I agree with the whole square bases part, I think with 7th edition you had the introduction to grossly overpowered armies and special rules overage, with 8th you had special rules glut with some really terrible rules made to kill the OP dynamic of the army books, but lead to a replacement with MORE OP dynamics. 6th edition with a few AB exceptions was far better than any edition afterwards. They reissue 6th edition rules with slightly amended Ravening Hordes from that edition and you have an incredibly balanced game.
Well folks Age of Sigmar is selling so well they need to bring back the Island of Blood set from Warhammer Fantasy 8th edition, which we know was a fan favourite till it got Fantasy was replaced.
herjan1987 wrote: Well folks Age of Sigmar is selling so well they need to bring back the Island of Blood set from Warhammer Fantasy 8th edition, which we know was a fan favourite till it got Fantasy was replaced.
WHFB-AoS 1:0
Spoiler:
Long live our beloved Warhammer Fantasy Battles!
*rolls eyes*
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
@Just Tony they will come with squares and circles the box will cost 50 quid.
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2016/12/10 16:59:35
Subject: Re:I am excited when will the Old World and Warhammer Fantasy Battles return
herjan1987 wrote: Well folks Age of Sigmar is selling so well they need to bring back the Island of Blood set from Warhammer Fantasy 8th edition, which we know was a fan favourite till it got Fantasy was replaced.
WHFB-AoS 1:0
Long live our beloved Warhammer Fantasy Battles!
*rolls eyes*
@Just Tony they will come with squares and circles the box will cost 50 quid.
Added square bases: WHFB-AoS 2:0
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Sure whatever makes you feel better at night Herjan that whfb will become their flagship game again not going to even debate the point considering you are ignoring those two images.
Forgeworld are more likely to pick it up like 30k that's the best case scenario I think.
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2016/12/10 17:19:37
Subject: I am excited when will the Old World and Warhammer Fantasy Battles return
shinros wrote: Sure whatever makes you feel better at night Herjan that whfb will become their flagship game again not going to even debate the point considering you are ignoring those two images.
Forgeworld are more likely to pick it up like 30k that's the best case scenario I think.
Well Shrinos you are waving those sales, that you know how many did they sold. That is reason I am very happy that they included square bases in the refurbished 8th edition starter set.
shinros wrote: Sure whatever makes you feel better at night Herjan that whfb will become their flagship game again not going to even debate the point considering you are ignoring those two images.
Forgeworld are more likely to pick it up like 30k that's the best case scenario I think.
Well Shrinos you are waving those sales, that you know how many did they sold. That is reason I am very happy that they included square bases in the refurbished 8th edition starter set.
Dunno I don't have those numbers but the sheer fact they are gone in several territories I checked AND the sylvaneth battletome and the battle tome and book bundle are ALSO out of stock in several territories shows there is demand there and people PLAY the game. Even in japan for christ sake. To the point on facebook people are asking for a second run. If you want me to I can take pictures of all the pages they are out of stock on. It's quite a lot but hey.
The boxes went up today.
Warhammer Age of Sigmar
6 hrs ·
These 4 great new Warhammer Age of Sigmar Battleforces are in stores now. There is no better place to start a new army this December, but hurry, these are only available while stocks last, so grab them while you can
If you are trying to prove they did not print a lot which is what you are suggesting prove it. To me it just sounds like a weak argument and it's clear as day that the new box is intended for people who play AOS since many have noted they want to start and elf army among the articles and community AND some people who still play 8th or 9th age with their friends. Hell some people just want the box for the rat ogres for blood bowl. To deny that is idiocy.
Still people on bells still feel by itself the box does not make a good 8th army gameplay wise but a great "skirmish" force. Hell I can see collectors picking it up just for the price point. I can turn this argument on top of it's head right now the new box is going out of stock in some territories because they must of not printed a lot to sell them right? They might just be clearing out the "small" stock they have. See?
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2016/12/10 17:49:19
Subject: I am excited when will the Old World and Warhammer Fantasy Battles return
Still people on bells still feel by itself the box does not make a good 8th army gameplay wise but a great "skirmish" force. Hell I can see collectors picking it up just for the price point. I can turn this argument on top of it's head right now the new box is going out of stock in some territories because they must of not printed a lot to sell them right? They might just be clearing out the "small" stock they have. See?
This is direct from Kirbys basement I guess
Shrinos you forget, that they destroyed a lot of stock in the spring during the "Last chance to buy" session. Including Lother Sea Guard. Guess what is in the Island of Blood set there are Lothern Sea Guard.
Still people on bells still feel by itself the box does not make a good 8th army gameplay wise but a great "skirmish" force. Hell I can see collectors picking it up just for the price point. I can turn this argument on top of it's head right now the new box is going out of stock in some territories because they must of not printed a lot to sell them right? They might just be clearing out the "small" stock they have. See?
This is direct from Kirbys basement I guess
Shrinos you forget, that they destroyed a lot of stock in the spring during the "Last chance to buy" session. Including Lother Sea Guard. Guess what is in the Island of Blood set there are Lothern Sea Guard.
And you are aware atia said the last chance to buy did not make much difference at all? In terms of sales When the report came out. So who's word should I trust yours or hers? She also did reveal in actuality they did not even have much of it to begin with according to her. Now realistically when you are supporting a game still you would make sure to have enough stocked which AOS IS.
Now of course any company would prepare things in advance considering AOS was in development since 7th edition so I assume GW still do this. So in context you are telling me they did not make enough for their supported game considering on the internet generally a lot of people are happy with the general's handbook.
What evidence do you have to state they did not make enough? For ALL those territories that put the sylvaneth battletome, Sylvaneth battletome bundle with the book and all the battle force sets. All this tells me is that there is clear demand considering the battletomes are out stock and in my opinion if you want to play sylvaneth seriously you would need it. Unlike ironjaws and stormcast, GW stated they made a certain amount of boxes but I doubt either of us will have such information of how much they actually made.
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2016/12/10 18:26:34
Subject: I am excited when will the Old World and Warhammer Fantasy Battles return
It's just to clear them stock and a bit of filler until the next big AoS release(fingers crossed for a new starter). The square bases were already in the boxes so why not sell them as well? AoS can use both bases.
Edit: Also, maybe spoiler those?
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2016/12/10 18:33:39
Subject: I am excited when will the Old World and Warhammer Fantasy Battles return
It's just to clear them stock and a bit of filler until the next big AoS release(fingers crossed for a new starter). The square bases were already in the boxes so why not sell them as well? AoS can use both bases.
Edit: Also, maybe spoiler those?
Honestly I am calm sorry if it appeared I was hostile. I have spoiler tagged the images.
I am not going to debate the point anymore he has his perspective he has his. Personally I can't wait for the grungi dwarfs and tzeentch arcanites crossing my fingers that they are a new starter set.
2016/12/10 18:34:17
Subject: I am excited when will the Old World and Warhammer Fantasy Battles return
It's just to clear them stock and a bit of filler until the next big AoS release(fingers crossed for a new starter). The square bases were already in the boxes so why not sell them as well? AoS can use both bases.
Edit: Also, maybe spoiler those?
Funny how roumors said that all the molds where destroyed and they stopped selling IoB for year or more. Also there is no indication that this is limited print.
Baron Klatz wrote: Oh, well you did sound a little angry there(easy to assume on the internet).
Herjan's just scrapping for some piece of hope. Let him have his dreams like he has TW:W.
It's all they got left.
@Herjan, The "While stocks last" is pretty telling.
This is indeed correct, most likely they are going to do a second print because many were planning to buy it next week. Quite a few facebook posters are upset it's gone and asking for a re print considering how many people don't use social network I imagine a lot more people share the same feelings.
Personally I do feel it's going to come back in some form. When? I don't know but I think it's going to be a forgeworld thing like 30k. Of course I can be wrong. Personally I think total war warhammer emulates the TT far better than the TT itself plus I can turn the warhammer world into an undead paradise instead of the vampires just making mean faces at the empire while warriors of chaos stole the show.
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2016/12/10 18:51:43
Subject: I am excited when will the Old World and Warhammer Fantasy Battles return
It'll be funny to hear complaints about prices when FW starts releasing ranked infantry, GW will look cheap by comparison.
Forgeworld is expensive but to me seems the realistic route to bring it back. Like they can call it "wars from the world that was!" or some such and have the rule book written like a history book of sorts since they note sigmar has a library on the events from the warhammer world which he has his generals study.
Maybe have some bits be skaven/chaos like since skaven also have a great book of their first "alliance" with chaos.
2016/12/10 19:34:02
Subject: I am excited when will the Old World and Warhammer Fantasy Battles return
Baron Klatz wrote: Oh, well you did sound a little angry there(easy to assume on the internet).
Herjan's just scrapping for some piece of hope. Let him have his dreams like he has TW:W.
It's all they got left.
@Herjan, The "While stocks last" is pretty telling.
I am really interested where did GW wrote "while stock lasts" on the refurbished IoB kit. I checked it with my browsers aswell and there is no such indication.
Also dear Baron: "A solitary fantasy can change million a realities" Maya Angelou
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I'm quite surprised to see this news too, hope this is a good direction because from what I have seen, there is some quick lore on the boxset, name change for the elves, and some other info that I will nitpick to make it short.
Quick lore on the boxset:
" The Dawnspire stands at the edge of the Transient Isles. Immense, drifting islands of black stone hanging in the air above an azure sea, they were once the subject of foul sorceries, a powerful Chaos wizard seeking to bring them crashing down. The mages of the Eldritch Council were able to stop this foul ritual, but not before two of the islands were lost to the depths."
Name changes in the Elf side:
Prince on Gryphon became High Warden
Archmage still Archmage? ( not really sure on the IoB name)
10 Swordmaster
Lothren seaguard became Spireguard
Elliyrian Reavers became Reavers
So this is the info of what I have seen:
- Complete rule to be used in the game ( hopefully there is an update in the warscroll)
-Background narrative as always (again, hopefully we could see the lore of the elves in AoS getting more explanation)
- 2 Warscroll battalion and 2 Pitched Battle Profile, one for each force
- Round and square base for each model
- stated in the last paragraph : "Previously only available in Warhammer Island of BLood, this is another chance to own these superbly detailed and dynamic miniatures." It is stated as "Available while stocks last"
hopefully this helps!
Sounds pretty good. Glad to see the elves getting some attention, they're a really cool army. I bet those Skaven Weapon teams will be selling like hotcakes on the secondary market.
But who knows, it may stay permanent if we're lucky.
Luckier still if they decide to re-release Free People knights (Brets) as another spot filler. (I can dream)
Nice quote but isn't there only one reality? Unless we're bringing timey whimey dimensions stuff into this.
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2016/12/10 21:45:58
Subject: I am excited when will the Old World and Warhammer Fantasy Battles return
But who knows, it may stay permanent if we're lucky.
Luckier still if they decide to re-release Free People knights (Brets) as another spot filler. (I can dream)
Nice quote but isn't there only one reality? Unless we're bringing timey whimey dimensions stuff into this.
Now I get really excited, about Games Workshops moves. Since they are brought back, even, if temporaraly a WHFB kit with the option of sqaure bases. No other AoS realase did this before. Hence, why I am so happy about this. I wish they would realise, by removing the square bases and ending the support of Warhammer Fantasy Battles they are loosing sales.
Off:
Baron it all about perspective. If you consider your and mine a separate reality, then there is more then 7 billion on just on this planet. If you think that the whole universive is viewed by everthing that lives in it the same way, then there is only reality.
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@Shinros: Sold out means nothing without knowing how much stock was made. The LTD ET books sold out almost instantly with a 2,000 print run, and the AOS LTD books had half that and may have sold out by now, haven't checked since I don't care about AOS. They could be doing limited runs of AOS stuff as they themselves said that stock would be rotating in availability to keep the shelves fresh. Or did I imagine that part of it?
Hearing it will have squares makes me quite giddy, time to see the US pricing.
Or moving old stock... they are forgetting to put while stocks last on alot of things this month.(clicked on the spires of dawn from your link and it's sold out)
Remember; hope for the best, prepare for the worst. You already were disappointed by that Made to Order stuff that predictably went all 40k.
2016/12/12 00:54:29
Subject: I am excited when will the Old World and Warhammer Fantasy Battles return
Baron Klatz wrote: Or moving old stock... they are forgetting to put while stocks last on alot of things this month.(clicked on the spires of dawn from your link and it's sold out)
Remember; hope for the best, prepare for the worst. You already were disappointed by that Made to Order stuff that predictably went all 40k.
Would you redesign a the cover art for a clearance? Just put it in the white box like, they did with End Times Nagash. This is just a pre-order. Who knows. I am would like to live out the best case scenario and there is no real worst case one. Warhammer Fantasy is currently discountinued. So even, if they do limited runs, then thats a best case scenario aswell.
One more thing:
Just read the last line: IN STORES SOON
Would go through the trouble of reboxing a product and putting them on the selfs of your stores, when you are clearing it out? Why wouldnt you just leave it in the warehouse and send it out via post.
Island of Blood is here to stay, with optional square bases.
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