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Are either a worthwhile investment? On paper they look pretty solid with T5 and 2+ combined with solid mobility and relentless, but are they worth the points? Curious as to Dakkadakka's opinion on either - or both - of these units.

I keep looking at them. I always walk away from £80 for three wounds and not enough fire power.

 JamesY wrote:
I keep looking at them. I always walk away from £80 for three wounds and not enough fire power.

Yeah, that pricetag is painful to look at so I was thinking about scratch building or converting something else.

Buy flying stands and use normal space marine bikes - without drivers - mounted on them.

I have a squad, and love them. The price is ridiculous though. I got mine in a trade for Centurions.

I picked up several, plan to run an HQ on one (its only like 15 points more than artificer armor and a jumppack), with an apothecary consul, the FNP and extra wounds should make them more durable.