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So basically, it looks like you can add TS into the Black Crusade Detachment and gain the listed benefits for the detachments and formations within. It looks like you can use vanilla and TS artifacts when doing so. What I think you may not do is mix detachment and formation benefits from the the TS Detachment with the Black Crusade Detachment. I think some of the perks of the TS's is coming from the command benefits of their detachment? Also, if you use the Black Crusade Detachment, could you use Scarab Occult Terminators in the Terminator Annihilation Force due to that units technically not listed as an option?

Legions now have two things. On the one hand they have rules equivalent to chapter tactics, which apply to all detachmetns and formations so long as you meet the requirements. Like all Marks of tzeetnch for example.
On the other hand every legion now has a detachment of their own, complete with command benefits. These are all decurion type detachments, aka they are made of other formations.

A Black Crusade is a detachment in traitor's hate. You can apply the legion tactics to that, but you can't gain the command benefits from another detachment. The models are either in a Legion detachment or some other detachment, not both.
And as far as I can tell, scarab occult are an elite choice and don't replace our terminators, so they can only be used in the TSons formations or in role based detachments like a CAD.

I don't see anything that is forcing the new units (Inc Magnus) to only be taken in thousand sons detachment, which is interesting.
The formations are all tsons only.

They're not, they're just extremely limited. You can only take them in a CAD or allied CAD since the purge is nothing or nurgle and the traitors hate or black legion/crimson slaughter formations all prohibit taking them.

Yeah, but CADs aren't too bad. Do we know yet if legions can take allied detachments of other legions, like space marine chapters can?

Oh god, I wish lol. Relic sharing on the cheap mmmmh.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Yeah, but CADs aren't too bad. Do we know yet if legions can take allied detachments of other legions, like space marine chapters can?

As far as I can tell you can as long as they are separate detachments. So you could bring a Chaos Warband which is TS and a Raptor Talon that is WE.

I think he meant the allied detachment. So far the rumours have said nothing about it. So I would say no, because they are all of the same faction. Although you could take small primary detachment of some other faction and then spam allied detachments from other legions all you want.

 Roknar wrote:
I think he meant the allied detachment. So far the rumours have said nothing about it. So I would say no, because they are all of the same faction. Although you could take small primary detachment of some other faction and then spam allied detachments from other legions all you want.

He did relate it to Chapter Tactics who can have an Allied Detachment to a Codex Marines Primary Detachment so long as the Chapter Tactics are different.

So, like:
CAD - Chapter Tactics (Imperial Fists)
AD - Chapter Tactics (Black Templar)

Translated to CSM:
CAD - Legion Tactics (Black Legion)
AD - Legion Tactics (Alpha Legion)

So you are talking about wrath of Magnus, i am curious about the artefact Astral grimoire, you give it to a character that can give this mouvement boost to himself or a unit 12" around, if he gives it to a unit were he is attached too, does he get the bonus and all other independant characters attached too?

Independent characters are part of the unit they are in , so yes.

It's an incredibly useful artefact. The only real drawback are the chaos restrictions on mark mixing, but 12" is a good distance in any case.

Btw, somebody said they changed how the legions work in traitor legions. That you can affilliate any csm detachment with one of the nine legions. That would mean you couldn't mix legions.

Not within a single detachment no. Which is probably for the best

Think of a chart with three columns. The first column is your legion. That includes the 9 legions of lore. The second column is your detachment. All legions can take a Black Crusade detachment, and all can take the Combined Arms and Allied detachments. Some detachments are legion specific though. Only the Black Legion can take the Black Legion-specific detachment, for example. Now the third column is formations specific to those formations, and their distribution to Command, Core, and Auxiliary.

It would be a lot easier to army build if each option in a black crusade detachment could be from a different legion.

Buuuuuutt it doesn't feel right.

Well that wouldn't be affected by that wording. The individual formations that make up the crusade are still only dedicated to one legion, so no problem there. Even if you make the crusade a different legion yet. The models would belong to two detachments, which happen to be dedicated to to different legions.

Tbh I don't GW thought that far. The same should be true for legion detachments.
Something tells me though that people are going to stick with keeping legions separate. Less headaches.