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Just what do you think he is? Personally I'm hoping he is Azkaellon. I'm really hoping the whole "he's the herald of sanguinius and just an ordinary sanguinary guard" gets retconned or he dies and Azkaellon takes his place.

The fewer 30k characters that get ported into 40k the better IMO. The whole concept of sanguinor is snowflake city.

 MarsNZ wrote:
The fewer 30k characters that get ported into 40k the better IMO. The whole concept of sanguinor is snowflake city.

This.

30k is a story. 40k is a setting for you to make your own stories.

The more 40k becomes a story, the less interesting it becomes for 'your dudes'.

As others above have said, I hope it's not azkaellon. However, this is gw we're talking about so it most likely will turn out to be him, if we find out at all.

I hope it IS Azzy

 Ynneadwraith wrote:

 MarsNZ wrote:
The fewer 30k characters that get ported into 40k the better IMO. The whole concept of sanguinor is snowflake city.

This.

30k is a story. 40k is a setting for you to make your own stories.

The more 40k becomes a story, the less interesting it becomes for 'your dudes'.

Completly agree.

As for his identity I'll go with a deamon spawned by the Emperor in the warp. Frankly those should exist, and feed of Blood Angels devotion.

I understand the whole "your dudes" concept and it is a valid point, the way I see it however is that for a chapter like the BA where all our main characters (Amit, Sanguinius, Raldoron) are all listed as slain, it seems only fair that we at least get Azkaellon back. Especially with all the talk of the "End Times" and the return of the primarchs, I'm hoping the BA have reason to rejoice.

Sanguinor is none of those, it's already been revealed who and what he is during the hh.

Cassor the Damned wrote:I understand the whole "your dudes" concept and it is a valid point, the way I see it however is that for a chapter like the BA where all our main characters (Amit, Sanguinius, Raldoron) are all listed as slain, it seems only fair that we at least get Azkaellon back. Especially with all the talk of the "End Times" and the return of the primarchs, I'm hoping the BA have reason to rejoice.

Dante, Mephisto, Tycho? To name but a few.

Formosa wrote:Sanguinor is none of those, it's already been revealed who and what he is during the hh.

Then please spoil it.

EDIT: read about it on Lexicanum. Didn't like the story but it's pretty straightforward. Doesn't explain why he shows up 10,000 years later.

 Formosa wrote:
Sanguinor is none of those, it's already been revealed who and what he is during the hh.

Sanguinor was revealed to be the "Herald of Sanguinius" to impersonate Sanguinius to stop assassination attempts. The Sanguinary Guard in question who took this position was named Alotros iirc. I did mention this in the poll.


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 Nerak wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:I understand the whole "your dudes" concept and it is a valid point, the way I see it however is that for a chapter like the BA where all our main characters (Amit, Sanguinius, Raldoron) are all listed as slain, it seems only fair that we at least get Azkaellon back. Especially with all the talk of the "End Times" and the return of the primarchs, I'm hoping the BA have reason to rejoice.

Dante, Mephisto, Tycho? To name but a few.

Formosa wrote:Sanguinor is none of those, it's already been revealed who and what he is during the hh.

Then please spoil it.

EDIT: read about it on Lexicanum. Didn't like the story but it's pretty straightforward. Doesn't explain why he shows up 10,000 years later.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I meant that I want someone from 30k to come back to save the BA from damnation in the 40k universe. However, seeing as our primarch and chapter master and Amit are all slain, imo I think that Azkaellons return would be only fair with everyone else getting their primarchs and their mums being supposed to return during the ends time. xD

It's Dante. No one recognises him in the golden armor, jump pack, sanguinius death mask. It's just too cunning a disguise.

I don't know who it was before Dante became a space marine though. Maybe Dante's mom?

nareik wrote:
It's Dante. No one recognises him in the golden armor, jump pack, sanguinius death mask. It's just too cunning a disguise.

I don't know who it was before Dante became a space marine though. Maybe Dante's mom?

Could be, could be. Stranger things have happened in this game, we've already seen the love ballad of the necrons and the Blood Angels so who knows?

I actually think the short story about the Sanguinors inception was more to show the origins of the name and the tradition, I'm hoping we see the original Sanguinor assassinated/slain during the battle of Terra and we have a really cool (admittedly cliche) scene with Azkaellon walking through the corpses at the end of the battle before bending down over Alotros' body, taking the mask and then walking away.
*sighs* and now you all know my fanboy dream.

I'm actually really suprised at the results so far, a surprising amount of people seem to be thinking that Sanguinor is Sanguinius reborn, with not many thinking that the Sanguinor is still Alotros.

It's probably been a different person through the ages. A marine that takes it way to far in thinking he's Sanguinius. With Alotros being the first.
Kinda like what the Dark Angels did with the Cypher, before the betrayal. Except Cypher wasn't a loony.

Either The Herald of Sanguinius or Sanguinius himself.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
It's probably been a different person through the ages. A marine that takes it way to far in thinking he's Sanguinius. With Alotros being the first.
Kinda like what the Dark Angels did with the Cypher, before the betrayal. Except Cypher wasn't a loony.

I'd be tempted to agree with you, but on the tabletop Sanguinior is a beast with ws:8 s:5 rerolling all hits and wounds. No BA marine is that skilled, they'd have to have lived for millenia to have that kind of skill. Unless it's like the Minotaurs where their chapter master (asterion molec?) inherits his predecessors skills and personality.

Pre-Heresy Marines ain't that skilled either, you cannot compare tabletop to fluff.

The armor might work like Eldar Exarch armor. Might be that a part of Sanguinius posses said marine. It can be anything.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
Pre-Heresy Marines ain't that skilled either, you cannot compare tabletop to fluff.

The armor might work like Eldar Exarch armor. Might be that a part of Sanguinius posses said marine. It can be anything.

That does make sense, and I would actually be happy if that was the route GW decided to go. However, Abbadon, Kharn, Sigismund and Lucius have all been depicted as ws:7 on the tabletop, and while I agree it is foolish to base a premise off the tabletop it is the only source we have. I think ws:8 would be possible for Azkaellon as he was the best warrior in a legion of melee enthusiasts with 10,000 years experience.

I liked it better when he was a psychic construct of the Blood Angels.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I liked it better when he was a psychic construct of the Blood Angels.

Even when he was first introduced it was never clear what he was, that was just one of the theories.

my monies on alpharius

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
The armor might work like Eldar Exarch armor. Might be that a part of Sanguinius posses said marine. It can be anything.

I like this. It makes more sense than pre-Dante Sanguinor being Dante's mom.

I don't really like the idea of a 10,000 year old blood angel that jumps out (of the warp?) at precisely the right moment. Honestly, even the 'Sanguinor is a psychic projection of the Sanguinius/ the chapter' theory sits better with me than the mega OAP one.

Cassor the Damned wrote:
I understand the whole "your dudes" concept and it is a valid point, the way I see it however is that for a chapter like the BA where all our main characters (Amit, Sanguinius, Raldoron) are all listed as slain, it seems only fair that we at least get Azkaellon back. Especially with all the talk of the "End Times" and the return of the primarchs, I'm hoping the BA have reason to rejoice.

Excepting Bjorn, every loyalist character of the Heresy era is long-dead. Why should the Blood Angels be any different?

 Lord Fishface wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:
I understand the whole "your dudes" concept and it is a valid point, the way I see it however is that for a chapter like the BA where all our main characters (Amit, Sanguinius, Raldoron) are all listed as slain, it seems only fair that we at least get Azkaellon back. Especially with all the talk of the "End Times" and the return of the primarchs, I'm hoping the BA have reason to rejoice.

Excepting Bjorn, every loyalist character of the Heresy era is long-dead. Why should the Blood Angels be any different?

Every one who isn't a primarch is listed as slain. The reason I'm hoping for an Azkaellon return is because all of the 8th edition rumours are suggesting the primarchs are going to return for the "End Times" or the "Wolf Time" or the "Final Battle"-every chapter calls it something different and has there own prophecy about their primarch returning to save them. I'm just saying to even this out the Blood Angels should get Azkaellon back. As it is, the Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Raven Guard, Salamanders and White Scars primarchs have all promised to return to save Humanity for this battle (13th Black Crusade). Even Guilliman is said to be slowly healing. I just don't think it's fair that they all get their primarchs and the Blood Angels get nothing

Cassor the Damned wrote:

 Lord Fishface wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:
I understand the whole "your dudes" concept and it is a valid point, the way I see it however is that for a chapter like the BA where all our main characters (Amit, Sanguinius, Raldoron) are all listed as slain, it seems only fair that we at least get Azkaellon back. Especially with all the talk of the "End Times" and the return of the primarchs, I'm hoping the BA have reason to rejoice.

Excepting Bjorn, every loyalist character of the Heresy era is long-dead. Why should the Blood Angels be any different?

Every one who isn't a primarch is listed as slain. The reason I'm hoping for an Azkaellon return is because all of the 8th edition rumours are suggesting the primarchs are going to return for the "End Times" or the "Wolf Time" or the "Final Battle"-every chapter calls it something different and has there own prophecy about their primarch returning to save them. I'm just saying to even this out the Blood Angels should get Azkaellon back. As it is, the Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Raven Guard, Salamanders and White Scars primarchs have all promised to return to save Humanity for this battle (13th Black Crusade). Even Guilliman is said to be slowly healing. I just don't think it's fair that they all get their primarchs and the Blood Angels get nothing

You get no Primarch. That isn't unique it's the same as Ultramarines, Iron Hands and Imperial Fists.

 Lord Spartacus wrote:
or Sanguinius himself.

I believe this. I think the Emperor summoned his soul back and bound it in a metal body before he was put on the Golden Throne. Sanguinius now watches over his sons

pm713 wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:

 Lord Fishface wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:
I understand the whole "your dudes" concept and it is a valid point, the way I see it however is that for a chapter like the BA where all our main characters (Amit, Sanguinius, Raldoron) are all listed as slain, it seems only fair that we at least get Azkaellon back. Especially with all the talk of the "End Times" and the return of the primarchs, I'm hoping the BA have reason to rejoice.

Excepting Bjorn, every loyalist character of the Heresy era is long-dead. Why should the Blood Angels be any different?

Every one who isn't a primarch is listed as slain. The reason I'm hoping for an Azkaellon return is because all of the 8th edition rumours are suggesting the primarchs are going to return for the "End Times" or the "Wolf Time" or the "Final Battle"-every chapter calls it something different and has there own prophecy about their primarch returning to save them. I'm just saying to even this out the Blood Angels should get Azkaellon back. As it is, the Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Raven Guard, Salamanders and White Scars primarchs have all promised to return to save Humanity for this battle (13th Black Crusade). Even Guilliman is said to be slowly healing. I just don't think it's fair that they all get their primarchs and the Blood Angels get nothing

You get no Primarch. That isn't unique it's the same as Ultramarines, Iron Hands and Imperial Fists.

Guilliman is said to be healing. They only ever found Dorns hand and rumours have been abound that he may have survived since Vulkan talked about seeing him in the Beast Arises Series. There are clones of Ferrus Manus, rumours about him being resserected on Mars and that the Omnissiahs return will restore him. Only Sanguinius is left out. Instead, we get rumours Sanguinor MAY be Sanguinius. But I'm not even asking for that. I just want Azkaellon to return,

You know how when a Blood Angel succumbs to the Black Rage he becomes deluded he is Sanguinius aboard Horus Battle Barge? This delusion becomes manifest as the Death Company marine even begins to develop a portion of Sanguinius' power.

Imagine a situation so compelling, and a marine so powerful, that this illusion is so strong that the marine does not simply develop power and believe he is Sanguinius, but he actually becomes Sanguinius for real?

This is my new headcannon for when Dante faces off against Abaddon in the New Seige of Terra.

 Nerak wrote:

 Ynneadwraith wrote:

 MarsNZ wrote:
The fewer 30k characters that get ported into 40k the better IMO. The whole concept of sanguinor is snowflake city.

This.

30k is a story. 40k is a setting for you to make your own stories.

The more 40k becomes a story, the less interesting it becomes for 'your dudes'.

Completly agree.

As for his identity I'll go with a deamon spawned by the Emperor in the warp. Frankly those should exist, and feed of Blood Angels devotion.

Yeah I like the idea that he's a greater daemon of the Emperor.

Fits with my personal headcanon that the Emperor isn't a God and most of his past is religious dogma. He was a powerful genetically engineered warlord hailing from some time during the Age of Strife. Powerful, but mortal.

It's only through the collective belief of the galaxy-spanning Imperium that he performed the miracles that we have seen, and has created a God of Man in his image within the warp.

Would make sense that he'd have daemons

These are just my thoughts.

This comes down to clever story telling on GW's part that relates to both the "death" of Sanguinius at the hands of Horus, the embodiment that makes Sanguinius who he is, and the identity of the Sanguinor.

GW is a model company, that is how they make their profits. In order to incentivize customers to buy their product, they use the 40k story to make us care about the background and get into the universe. This connects to, and seems to becoming more prevalent with current releases and the rumored setting for 8th edition, with the notion of all the primarchs returning, including Sanguinius. The one exception would be Horus, since Horus already had the Horus Heresy and he is the only primarch described as destroyed in a very thorough manner (body and soul).

Other bits of info to support Sanguinius' return is a body. Also are the embodiment of himself and what he is in the form of the black rage/red thirst and the side of him that all is good (and strongly the notion of hope), and the possibility of the nature of his death caused a separation of these from his body (psychic/spirit/soul).

The black rage/red thirst we see reflected in the Blood Angels themselves. The other part (I'll term hope), manifests itself into the form of the Sanguinor. So my impression is that the Sanguinor is the "hope/good" spiritual/soul/psychic aspect of Sanguinius.

Reasons that support this include the nature of the appearance of the Sanguinor is unearthly (comes and goes without transport) and the cause of appearance in times of great despair or importance (perhaps due to wider implications), which he himself brings "hope." Also is the power of the Sanguinor, which as we have read, seem to rival that of a primarch. Add in a bit of mystery with no talking, except for the phrase mentioned in Shield of Baal Exterminatus:

There is still hope.

So in the end, I forsee a reunification of body and spirit, let's give a reason like the power of blood, and there you go, Sanguinius is back.