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Cassor the Damned wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:

 Lord Fishface wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:
I understand the whole "your dudes" concept and it is a valid point, the way I see it however is that for a chapter like the BA where all our main characters (Amit, Sanguinius, Raldoron) are all listed as slain, it seems only fair that we at least get Azkaellon back. Especially with all the talk of the "End Times" and the return of the primarchs, I'm hoping the BA have reason to rejoice.

Excepting Bjorn, every loyalist character of the Heresy era is long-dead. Why should the Blood Angels be any different?

Every one who isn't a primarch is listed as slain. The reason I'm hoping for an Azkaellon return is because all of the 8th edition rumours are suggesting the primarchs are going to return for the "End Times" or the "Wolf Time" or the "Final Battle"-every chapter calls it something different and has there own prophecy about their primarch returning to save them. I'm just saying to even this out the Blood Angels should get Azkaellon back. As it is, the Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Raven Guard, Salamanders and White Scars primarchs have all promised to return to save Humanity for this battle (13th Black Crusade). Even Guilliman is said to be slowly healing. I just don't think it's fair that they all get their primarchs and the Blood Angels get nothing

You get no Primarch. That isn't unique it's the same as Ultramarines, Iron Hands and Imperial Fists.

Guilliman is said to be healing. They only ever found Dorns hand and rumours have been abound that he may have survived since Vulkan talked about seeing him in the Beast Arises Series. There are clones of Ferrus Manus, rumours about him being resserected on Mars and that the Omnissiahs return will restore him. Only Sanguinius is left out. Instead, we get rumours Sanguinor MAY be Sanguinius. But I'm not even asking for that. I just want Azkaellon to return,

It's also said that's impossible. Pretty weird to lose your hands and be otherwise fine. You can also get people believing that Orks are the savious of humanity so people believing that is hardly a stretch. You just want to have the only person in the game to live for 10'000 years with no reason.

40k Blood Angel characters outshine 30k characters anyways (with the exception of Sanguinius himself), we don't need them hanging around. Mephiston is unquestionably the greatest warrior the chapter has ever had, and Dante is arguably the greatest current chapter master in the Imperium. We don't have a lack of good characters, and Azkaellon isn't really depicted as an exceptional warrior anyways. Let him stay dead.

pm713 wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:

 Lord Fishface wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:
I understand the whole "your dudes" concept and it is a valid point, the way I see it however is that for a chapter like the BA where all our main characters (Amit, Sanguinius, Raldoron) are all listed as slain, it seems only fair that we at least get Azkaellon back. Especially with all the talk of the "End Times" and the return of the primarchs, I'm hoping the BA have reason to rejoice.

Excepting Bjorn, every loyalist character of the Heresy era is long-dead. Why should the Blood Angels be any different?

Every one who isn't a primarch is listed as slain. The reason I'm hoping for an Azkaellon return is because all of the 8th edition rumours are suggesting the primarchs are going to return for the "End Times" or the "Wolf Time" or the "Final Battle"-every chapter calls it something different and has there own prophecy about their primarch returning to save them. I'm just saying to even this out the Blood Angels should get Azkaellon back. As it is, the Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Raven Guard, Salamanders and White Scars primarchs have all promised to return to save Humanity for this battle (13th Black Crusade). Even Guilliman is said to be slowly healing. I just don't think it's fair that they all get their primarchs and the Blood Angels get nothing

You get no Primarch. That isn't unique it's the same as Ultramarines, Iron Hands and Imperial Fists.

Guilliman is said to be healing. They only ever found Dorns hand and rumours have been abound that he may have survived since Vulkan talked about seeing him in the Beast Arises Series. There are clones of Ferrus Manus, rumours about him being resserected on Mars and that the Omnissiahs return will restore him. Only Sanguinius is left out. Instead, we get rumours Sanguinor MAY be Sanguinius. But I'm not even asking for that. I just want Azkaellon to return,

It's also said that's impossible. Pretty weird to lose your hands and be otherwise fine. You can also get people believing that Orks are the savious of humanity so people believing that is hardly a stretch. You just want to have the only person in the game to live for 10'000 years with no reason.

It is said to be impossible, but I would still bet my life on Guilliman returning, GW have too many Ultramarine fans to please. As for losing his hands, he is a primarch. We saw Lorgar get blasted by a Titan and shrug it off. I'm pretty sure Dorn can survive losing a singIe hand. Also, Abbadon. Jokes aside though, you are incorrect. I don't want Azkaellon to be the "only person in the game to live for 10,000 years." As I said, there are rumours for the other primarchs to return and I have no problem with it. I simply don't want Blood Angels to be left out of the storyline when it eventally progresses. And there are many reasons he could survive this long. First off, he is a Blood Angel. They are extremely long lived. He could be in the Warp and emerge when the Blood Angels need him. He may have received a portion of Sanguinius' might when he fell. The theories go on and on. I don't really know what you're saying about Orks so I'll just bypass that part.



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 Orblivion wrote:
40k Blood Angel characters outshine 30k characters anyways (with the exception of Sanguinius himself), we don't need them hanging around. Mephiston is unquestionably the greatest warrior the chapter has ever had, and Dante is arguably the greatest current chapter master in the Imperium. We don't have a lack of good characters, and Azkaellon isn't really depicted as an exceptional warrior anyways. Let him stay dead.

It's not that I want Azkaellon to return because he is a great warrior or commander, you are definetly right about Dante and Mephiston. I want Azkaellon to retrurn because I love the Sanguinary Guard and I love Azkaellons character. However, Azkaellon is presented as a great warrior. He beat Lucius in a duel and fought Amit to a standstill as well as being the bodyguard of the best melee primarch in a Legion that loves close combat. I don't deny we lack good characters, that isn't my issue. I just think it would be unfair that Blood Angel fans have played the game for 20 years only for everyone else to get their primarch back and we don't. I'll be fine if it ends up he isn't Azkaellon or Sanguinius, it's just what I'm personally hoping for.

No, he lost to Lucius in that duel. He knew he was going to lose and decided to rob Lucius of his beautiful, flawless victory.

 Orblivion wrote:
No, he lost to Lucius in that duel. He knew he was going to lose and decided to rob Lucius of his beautiful, flawless victory.

Well if lucius didn't get his "flawless victory" that means Lucius didn't win. Via a deductive argument, that means Azkaellon didn't lose. I'd also make the argument that that is a victory because people still say Sevatar beat sigismund even though he cheated. So I use the same argument for Azkaellon. He cheated, but at the end of the day it was Lucius on the floor and not Azkaellon. I don't deny Lucius is a better fighter and dueller than Azkaellon, but to me at least Azkaellon has always seemed the better warrior. Not trying to force my opinion on anyone as I know it's considered controversial and not many people agree with me, but Azkaellon's name is regularly mentioned alongside Kharn, Lucius, Sevatar, Sigismund and Corswain in the HH series. Even if Lucius did beat him, that doesn't diminish his skill in any way. Lucius is called the blademaster for a reason, he is a superlative dueller. But everyone is entitled to their opinion and I recognise I am in the minority when it comes to this, but I still hope Sanguinor tuns out to be Azkaellon. If it isn't, I hope at the very least they answer what happened to Azkaellon or give him a worthy end.

Cassor the Damned wrote:
I just don't think it's fair that they all get their primarchs and the Blood Angels get nothing

To begin with, it's a rumour; I'd save crying about it when it actually happens. Even presuming, as I think is unlikely even in the medium term, that GW create models and rules for the all the Primarchs not definitively dead, what would players of, for instance, Mentor Legion, Minotaurs or Exorcists get? (The answer is either 'likewise nothing' or 'an unasked-for retcon'.)

More fundamentally, GW's core business is miniatures. If they believe they can turn a profit selling an £80 Sanguinius miniature, then they will retcon him, however implausibly, back to life.

 Lord Fishface wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:
I just don't think it's fair that they all get their primarchs and the Blood Angels get nothing

To begin with, it's a rumour; I'd save crying about it when it actually happens. Even presuming, as I think is unlikely even in the medium term, that GW create models and rules for the all the Primarchs not definitively dead, what would players of, for instance, Mentor Legion, Minotaurs or Exorcists get? (The answer is either 'likewise nothing' or 'an unasked-for retcon'.)

More fundamentally, GW's core business is miniatures. If they believe they can turn a profit selling an £80 Sanguinius miniature, then they will retcon him, however implausibly, back to life.

To begin with, no one's crying about anything. Secondly, when did i ever say I want Sanguinius to come back to life? Sanguinius' death defines the Blood Angels, I don't want him back. Thirdly, I never mentioned anything about wanting them to bring out a model for Sanguinius, and I can't see them bringing out models for the other primarchs in 40k either. Idc if they do anyway. Like I said, all I want is for them to answer whether or not Sanguinor is Azkaellon, and all I have actully said throughout this thread is that I personally hope Sanguinor is Azkaellon. I don't want this reflected on the tabletop, I'm a fan of the HH series and Azkaellon, that is my reason for it.

I kinda want it to be the Changeling.

 King Pariah wrote:
I kinda want it to be the Changeling.

Haha! Now that would be perfect

Ghost_Raptur wrote:


GW is a model company, that is how they make their profits. In order to incentivize customers to buy their product, they use the 40k story to make us care about the background and get into the universe. This connects to, and seems to becoming more prevalent with current releases and the rumored setting for 8th edition, with the notion of all the primarchs returning, including Sanguinius. The one exception would be Horus, since Horus already had the Horus Heresy and he is the only primarch described as destroyed in a very thorough manner (body and soul).

I'm always amazed by the number of people on here and Warseer and other places that seem to forget that statement you wrote above.

Warhammer 40K or Aos/Fantasy is essentially a Product. Profit from Models > Lore. (Although in Fantasy that was reversed for a while, Gotrek/Felix actualy turned a much better profit at times).

Hell, I've always maintained that -if- a market existed for miniature warfare amongst a much larger segment of the female population, we would see Female Space Marines.... (or whatever the girls would want to play with)...

Inb4 TheLegend27/Rick Harrison/John Cena. It's a Khornate greater Daemon.

Azkaellon has a robot hand. Just saying.