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So there seem to be some amazing rules for the Traitor Legions and as a Daemon player, I would be interested in discussing some ideas for adding them to Daemons.

For example, Iron Warriors allows you to take Oblits as Troops (with Tank Hunters no less) and all models with VotLW get 6+ FNP. There is also an artifact that give 2+ armour and IWND.
So take an Iron Warriors allied detachment with Oblit Troops and a 2+ re-rolling Tz DP. Instant anti-tank filler with a bonus awesome DP

Can you guys think of some other cool combos to ally in with Daemons?

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If you're going against armies without fearless/ATSKNF, night lords are a nice way to help break your opponant in cc with debuffs to leadership and debuffs even further when taking fear tests (sorry Orks but this is gonna hurt).

Allying in WE can make for a great, if expensive, death ball that can potentially make first turn charges and generally draw fire away from your daemons.

Death guard can add in high amounts of tough special weapons units for spamming meltas and plasmas, pretty decent anti tank option.

TS of course have the ability to buff your psychic phase even more, if you have the points.

Alpha legion are another great distraction army, infiltrate tons of cultists on top of your opponant and when they die outflank them back in on top of your opponant again. Gives your daemons lots of room to do what they want.

Emperors children, meh. They have a lot of small arms fire if you need that.

Word bearers can summon more daemons if your daemon summoning an army of daemons needed help to summon those daemons so that you can summon more daemons.

Black legion are very much like World Eaters in that they can get in your opponants face and kill things turn 1 and then become a distraction detachment until your daemons are ready to make the killing blow.

Some nice possibilities with the TLs but we will have to see whether they work in practise.

 mrhappyface wrote:
If you're going against armies without fearless/ATSKNF

Like orks or...other night lords. Anywayz, night lords are good if you want a bit of extra protection 1-st turn as they can guarantee nightfight. And they have a decent cheap-ish core to boot. Raptor wing. If you're running daemons with cursed earth, you could get those warp talons deepstrike scatter-less, force blind test on everything and than charge in with a bunch of ap3 attacks. Raptors are cheaper and have melta but no deepstrike mitigation. Well, still an option if you don't mind risk.

As for emp children, they can be fun but they're more oriented towards their own army with an expensive core rather than being allies.

Taking alpha legion seems like a good way to.. Not give up your warlord point. Like ever. Detachment plus cultist formation (plus an aux, which is gonna be a spawn) Each cultist that dies comes back on. 4+ twice, and Every AL character has to die to give up warlord.

IW are by far the easiest to work into lists.
Sorc+oblits + fire raptor with the legacy of tzenahk the occluder. Solid efficient anti tank plus in 5/6 of games if your fire raptor survives you get D3 bonus vp.

I like the idea of a nightlord prince of tzeentch with the armor relic. 2+ rerollable armor and cover saves!

IW can have 2+ re-rollable armor prince too. And 6+++ with iwnd should help vs grav - at least a bit.

So we can get Night Lords, Iron Warriors and Tzeentch Daemon Princes with 2++ re-rollables. Got some solid HQ choices for our detachments.

Alphas can do it too. (With a redundant bonus against flamers)

Too bad the Tallyband and plague colony are rather large if you want to go for the -2T. In a 2000P list you either lack upgrades on your Marines or use only Nurglings in the tallyband. But with Nurglings you don't take the best advantage of the reduced toughness, as they don't have poisoned weapons like plague bearers do.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Alphas can do it too. (With a redundant bonus against flamers)

It's probably future-proofing, but I'm imagining that 2++ is for fringe cases like being hit with Misfortune, or being targeted by a Necron Lord with the Gauntlet of the Conflagrator. Which is S7 AP 2 but otherwise follows all the normal rules for a Flamer (as defined in the rulebook)

Unfortunately there's a strict description of what a flamer is. It's what described as one in the brb or has the "treated as flamer". Otherwise if it looks like a flamer and shoot flames, it can still not be a flamer.

Yes... Future proofing... Or not proof reading :p
Come on guys, spam them on Facebook, get it changed to 2+fnp

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Too bad the Tallyband and plague colony are rather large if you want to go for the -2T. In a 2000P list you either lack upgrades on your Marines or use only Nurglings in the tallyband. But with Nurglings you don't take the best advantage of the reduced toughness, as they don't have poisoned weapons like plague bearers do.

Wait, how does having poisoned weapons take better advantage of a reduction in toughness if they're still wounding on the same number regardless?

I also thought of Night Lords' -2 Fear tests plus the Nurgle Daemon artifact, the Bell that reduces leadership. Fear tests on a -3, essentially! But it won't matter against wayyy too many armies.

Jacksmiles wrote:
Wait, how does having poisoned weapons take better advantage of a reduction in toughness if they're still wounding on the same number regardless?

I also thought of Night Lords' -2 Fear tests plus the Nurgle Daemon artifact, the Bell that reduces leadership. Fear tests on a -3, essentially! But it won't matter against wayyy too many armies.

If your strength allows you to wound better than what poisoned gives you then you can re-roll to wound.

Also if you are wanting to fully debuff leadership, for fear or otherwise, then take the Night lords artifact and the Heldrake formation as well for -2 to -4 extra leadership debuff.

Is there a good way to get a Word Bearer ML3 Sorcerer with the Tome allied to Daemons?
Getting 4 Malefic rolls + Primaris and harnessing WC on 3+ for Conjurations seems pretty good.
Does the fact that he'll Perils on any double and would require 1 CSM troop minimum make him not worth it?

He doesn't peril on any double, he's a daemon.

50 pts for cultists isn't bad. There are other ways but they involve possesses and.. no.


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Alternative, marines in rhino with the legacy of rerolling maelfic

 Galef wrote:
Is there a good way to get a Word Bearer ML3 Sorcerer with the Tome allied to Daemons?
Getting 4 Malefic rolls + Primaris and harnessing WC on 3+ for Conjurations seems pretty good.
Does the fact that he'll Perils on any double and would require 1 CSM troop minimum make him not worth it?

I wouldn't bother seeing as though Daemons can get malefic, a large amount of WC and there are formations to get 3+ casting. There's also the fact that, when there are 8 other legions with good rules, you wouldn't take WB if you are allying in CSM.


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Captyn_Bob wrote:
He doesn't peril on any double, he's a daemon.

A CSM sorceror?

Weird I read DP. :s
You should take a dp instead

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Weird I read DP. :s
You should take a dp instead

Or you could take a DP from TS, IW, NL, etc. for 3+ casting (formation), 2+ re-rollable armour save, 2+ re-rollable cover save, etc. plus whatever else you take from the CSM detachment.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Weird I read DP. :s
You should take a dp instead

Derp, Why didn't I think of that?

Still though, CSM DPs are kinda lame compared to Daemon DPs. no access to rewards and being required to roll 1 power for their gods table (thereby only having 3 Malefic rolls)
I was just brain storming. A WB Sorceror is probably the closest we get to guaranteeing you roll 2+ Conjurations. Just hide him in a Cultist unit, cast a few Incursions, Sacrifices (good use of cultitsts) and finally Possession.

But I think Mrhappyface is right, there are better Legion options

Well the one thing they bring that daemons don't have is the legacy of ruin for malefic. It works with any friendly psyker. And a sorcerer does get 4 rolls + primaris, but I don't think the perils are worth it. Then again, it combos well with the legacy. 4 spells means he has a good shot at sacrifice and then you jsut keep the heralds around the vehicle with the legacy and they all get a better spell familiar when casting moee daemons. You "just" want to stay away from the WC3 spells. Bonus points for taking a chaos achilles which get's better as the hull points drop.

So Night Lords have an amazing relic for a DP. For the same points cost aa a 3+ armour, you can get 2+ armour and +1 cover save. Combine this with the Night Lords normally granting Stealth to models with VotLW, and a Tz DP has a re-rollable 2+ armour, or 2+ Jink.
Add some cheap cultists as troops (or Raptors, if you have points) and an Oracles formation with FW + 2 LoC and you get a better Tetrad for sure.

Heck, nothing stops you from taking multiple allie detahcments with each one being a different Legion. You can have multiple DPs with different 2+ armour relics.

 Galef wrote:
So Night Lords have an amazing relic for a DP. For the same points cost aa a 3+ armour, you can get 2+ armour and +1 cover save. Combine this with the Night Lords normally granting Stealth to models with VotLW, and a Tz DP has a re-rollable 2+ armour, or 2+ Jink.
Add some cheap cultists as troops (or Raptors, if you have points) and an Oracles formation with FW + 2 LoC and you get a better Tetrad for sure.

Heck, nothing stops you from taking multiple allie detahcments with each one being a different Legion. You can have multiple DPs with different 2+ armour relics.

Then ally in a Daemon detachment lead by a prince with the impossible robes?
You now have a rather nice flying circus with either 2+ armour, 2+ cover or 3++(2++ with cursed earth) re-rollable saves.

No, You have an Oracles formation with FW (warlord) and a LoC with robes, then you take allied detachments of Iron Warriors, Alpha Legion and Night Lords, all with 2+ save Tz Princes.
With minimal cultist troops and even some Iron Warrior Oblit Troops, I am pretty sure it all fits