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So it's fairly safe to say that the End Times changed very many things, including relations between some races. And while in the Old World Dwarves hated Elves I haven't found any lore on whether or not that still stands.

Due to Dwarves stubborn nature, high regard of honour and keeping of grudges I currently assume they aren't really on the best of terms (though united against the forces of Chaos, Destruction and Death because hey, Elves aren't so bad compared to eternal torment) so I was just wondering has anything changed, or are Dwarves their same, spiteful old selves in that regard?

Considering there has been no recent out right wars with each other. I assume they are on okay terms in the case of fyreslayers there is a lodge that has sworn numerous oaths successful ones with the dark aelves from Ulgu, so they tattooed black like flames on their arms and feet.

Now the dispossessed? Well going by the description in the grand alliance order tome and their abilities they still hold grudges and the like.

Considering what tzeentch has done to Chamon and when the stormcast went there they found TONS of abandoned dwarven holds.

Plus in the campaign books they have noted sparks going on in the skies and in the last campaign book they note that grungi has up and left sigmar and vanished. Then GW posted this image. Right now from my understanding dwarfs have more stuff to concern themselves with than elves getting revenge on chaos for wrecking their stuff and their homes. (Namely tzeentch of course) Now of course they may still not trust them we shall see in josh reynolds new book where we will see stuff more on the "ground" level so to speak.



I do think the current dwarf models are getting the sylvaneth treatment in whfb fluff they talked of dwarf golems powered by steam shaped into the likeness of their gods and they have pictures of mini airships which never made it to the army. Plus rumor mongers have noted seeing a dwarf golem make of it what you will. Just like the sylvaneth were the main enemy of nurgle it looks to be dwarfs are going to be a huge enemy to tzeentch and his machinations.

I would guess they should just forget all that since pretty much everyone involved in the war of the beard is dead and looooong gone. It would not be bad since AoS is so far off the rails from warhammer old world they should just do their own thing.

 thekingofkings wrote:
I would guess they should just forget all that since pretty much everyone involved in the war of the beard is dead and looooong gone. It would not be bad since AoS is so far off the rails from warhammer old world they should just do their own thing.

Pretty much the war of the beard is like ancient ancient ancient history.

How much have the elves even been mentioned in the new stuff?

 amazingturtles wrote:
How much have the elves even been mentioned in the new stuff?

Not much the new box set that is out is the first time we see proper lore for them. We have seen that the elves are planning "something" going by the sliver tower and the realms of Ulgu and Hysh in the recent campaign book just opened up. Archaon sent forces there but NONE of them came back.

We are going to see elves next year most likely since they are tied up in the slaanesh plot line possibly along with tzeentch a tiny bit.

Well, that is interesting then! It'll be neat to see how they tie the old island of blood stuff in, since it is so high elf based, and they seem completely neglected up until now.

I hope they mantain some of the old feel of the faction.

 amazingturtles wrote:
Well, that is interesting then! It'll be neat to see how they tie the old island of blood stuff in, since it is so high elf based, and they seem completely neglected up until now.

I hope they mantain some of the old feel of the faction.

Thing is I was going to get a box because I want to start and elf army and I was going to put the lore information in my lore thread. Was hoping to buy it next week but.... they are all gone.

 shinros wrote:

 amazingturtles wrote:
Well, that is interesting then! It'll be neat to see how they tie the old island of blood stuff in, since it is so high elf based, and they seem completely neglected up until now.

I hope they mantain some of the old feel of the faction.

Thing is I was going to get a box because I want to start and elf army and I was going to put the lore information in my lore thread. Was hoping to buy it next week but.... they are all gone.

I'm seeing the italian and japanese versions as still available if you don't care about the booklet.

 shinros wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:
I would guess they should just forget all that since pretty much everyone involved in the war of the beard is dead and looooong gone. It would not be bad since AoS is so far off the rails from warhammer old world they should just do their own thing.

Pretty much the war of the beard is like ancient ancient ancient history.

This has always been my biggest heartache with AoS lore. They are trying to have their cake and eat it too, and end up just sucking. This is really something new. so forget the old world and just do something different. They have an opportunity to start over and make the Aelfs something truly their own without the old school Tolkien feel, so run with it, run wild. And do the same with the Duardin.

 thekingofkings wrote:

 shinros wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:
I would guess they should just forget all that since pretty much everyone involved in the war of the beard is dead and looooong gone. It would not be bad since AoS is so far off the rails from warhammer old world they should just do their own thing.

Pretty much the war of the beard is like ancient ancient ancient history.

This has always been my biggest heartache with AoS lore. They are trying to have their cake and eat it too, and end up just sucking. This is really something new. so forget the old world and just do something different. They have an opportunity to start over and make the Aelfs something truly their own without the old school Tolkien feel, so run with it, run wild. And do the same with the Duardin.

Honestly the war of the beard is not even mentioned the old world and what happened is still canon. The warhammer world is like folklore/ancient history at this point I am not even sure if the Aelf or Duardin remember or recorded exactly all of the events that happened a lodge of fyreslayers have an A ok relationship with the dark Aelves to the point a lodge tattooed their arms feet and eyes with black like flames. In honor of the oaths they shared.

Would a dwarf in the world that was would ever do that? Hell no, with a dark elf as well? Never. Still that lodge and their experience with the Dark Aelves have made them unique compared to the other lodges, they all have made their own little traditions here and there depending where they live.

I personally like the nods to the old setting and how they treat it but the races are still defining themselves and they are, sigmar is not only worshiped by not germans but by all humans who have different backgrounds and ethnicity they could do that because this setting is new.

 shinros wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:

 shinros wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:
I would guess they should just forget all that since pretty much everyone involved in the war of the beard is dead and looooong gone. It would not be bad since AoS is so far off the rails from warhammer old world they should just do their own thing.

Pretty much the war of the beard is like ancient ancient ancient history.

This has always been my biggest heartache with AoS lore. They are trying to have their cake and eat it too, and end up just sucking. This is really something new. so forget the old world and just do something different. They have an opportunity to start over and make the Aelfs something truly their own without the old school Tolkien feel, so run with it, run wild. And do the same with the Duardin.

Honestly the war of the beard is not even mentioned the old world and what happened is still canon. The warhammer world is like folklore/ancient history at this point I am not even sure if the Aelf or Duardin remember or recorded exactly all of the events that happened a lodge of fyreslayers have an A ok relationship with the dark Aelves to the point a lodge tattooed their arms feet and eyes with black like flames. In honor of the oaths they shared.

Would a dwarf in the world that was would ever do that? Hell no, with a dark elf as well? Never. Still that lodge and their experience with the Dark Aelves have made them unique compared to the other lodges, they all have made their own little traditions here and there depending where they live.

I personally like the nods to the old setting and how they treat it but the races are still defining themselves and they are, sigmar is not only worshiped by not germans but by all humans who have different backgrounds and ethnicity they could do that because this setting is new.

I will admit to being VERY anti sigmar (whom after reading his age of legends trilogy mostly call him suckmar) The old world had gods that were interesting, sigmar himself was the least interesting character in his own trilogy, that says alot to me. I would greatly prefer a complete divorce from the old world and thus the "restrictions" it places on AoS, they are mashing up old lore and doing it badly, where when they do something new, they do it pretty good. The fyreslayers are interesting in themselves with only slight connection to old world. the sylvanaeth also show flashes of brilliance along with the FECs. having dark, high and wood Aelfs to me would be meh, do something new.

I for one would like to see the grot-sky pirates... oh and maybe some of their smaller ships, those could be used in the table top.

Lord Kragan wrote:
I for one would like to see the grot-sky pirates... oh and maybe some of their smaller ships, those could be used in the table top.

Grots with some weirdness for sure. I have alot of BFSP grots with some crazy ball chuckers.

The Fyreslayers honoring the Shadowkin could be an epic callback, actually.

Back in the first editions when dwarfs were mercenaries they'd oddly work for Dark elves but never high elves or wood elves.

Maybe Snorri's friendship with Malekith has been ingrained in their whole race.

Also, if anyone is capable of holding a grudge from thousands of years ago from a time and world now long lost to abyss of myth.

It'd be the dwarfs. (Not that I want to continue the rhetoric mind you, just I can see them uneasy around elves and not knowing why. Racial instinct at this point.)

Actually.

It is mentioned in the Order Faction book that Time flows very differently in certain parts of Azyrheim. It is heavily implied certain inhabitants to be survivors from the Old World,

Of folk who "spoke the common tongue with accents...not from the Mortal Realms but from a time older still".

And that "no doubt those armies were eager to sate long held vendettas against the Dark Gods".

While there may be "ugly business" between the Duardin/Dwarves and the Aelves/Elgi the hatred of the worshippers of Chaos far, far, far overrides their rivalry.

Plus Sigmar smote the factions that decided to keep fightning each other.

Cataphract wrote:
Actually.

It is mentioned in the Order Faction book that Time flows very differently in certain parts of Azyrheim. It is heavily implied certain inhabitants to be survivors from the Old World,

Of folk who "spoke the common tongue with accents...not from the Mortal Realms but from a time older still".

And that "no doubt those armies were eager to sate long held vendettas against the Dark Gods".

While there may be "ugly business" between the Duardin/Dwarves and the Aelves/Elgi the hatred of the worshippers of Chaos far, far, far overrides their rivalry.

Plus Sigmar smote the factions that decided to keep fightning each other.

That's quite interesting since I don't have the grand alliance book order, I need to pick it up at some point.

 shinros wrote:

Cataphract wrote:
Actually.

It is mentioned in the Order Faction book that Time flows very differently in certain parts of Azyrheim. It is heavily implied certain inhabitants to be survivors from the Old World,

Of folk who "spoke the common tongue with accents...not from the Mortal Realms but from a time older still".

And that "no doubt those armies were eager to sate long held vendettas against the Dark Gods".

While there may be "ugly business" between the Duardin/Dwarves and the Aelves/Elgi the hatred of the worshippers of Chaos far, far, far overrides their rivalry.

Plus Sigmar smote the factions that decided to keep fightning each other.

That's quite interesting since I don't have the grand alliance book order, I need to pick it up at some point.

I still have that book, never bothered to really read it (just wanted some warscrolls out of it) I do despise 99% of AoS fluff