Tsilber wrote:If you passed on the Hellforge pack, you could bulk up the bikes, and get another Lord to tank for you (remember that darn champ of chaos rule). Give one of the lords Fist and the +3 movement/charge, give the other the axe fury. And big ole body guard of bikers.
Also with the points, could bulk up a few other units.

I think the Kit on your DP is perfect, IWND and FNP? Solid + Daemon weapon, +str (and who cares if he loses the character rule)

andysonic1 wrote:The Maulerfiends may seem like a good addition to the list, but remember they don't get the free 2D6 movement before the first turn so they won't be a part of the initial bumrush. I would drop it and get more bikes. They have a much better chance of getting into combat and have guns to boot.

Yea, the Demon Prince is almost the same loadout as back in 3.5/4th edition with the glaive, where we used to have arguments about what type of weapon it really was to model it properly, as the Demon Prince model just had a sword, lol. It feels really nice to be able to put him on the table again, and with Wings + the 2D6" move, he's across the table super fast.

I know the Maulerfiends don't get the pre-game move, but they still move 12" and ignore terrain. They are very speedy, and being able to give a helbrute the 4++ is pretty sweet. The warpsmith was an unfortunate tax, but I was planning on giving him the Talisman of Burning Blood and then I somehow ran out of points. If I could find a way to get that in there, I think he'd still be solid.

I'm not really sold on bikes. I mean, is charging 10 bikes across the board better than one maulerfiend?

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Just something about your strategy: I played KDK a lot and that is the general strat behind that army as well. I.E. everything rushes forward at high speeds and gets into combat turn two. The thing about KDK is that Hounds made a barrier between you and the enemy, and most of your heavy lifters were Maulerfiends, bikes, and D-Thirsters. Maybe some heldrakes, deamon princes, juggerlords, but mostly it was those bikes and maulers. The reason this worked was because of the combination of the Hound screen and the Bike Jink and Mauler AV12 + Deamon save.

Your list has no screen. You could say your possessed are the screen, but they aren't all that much stronger than your normal CSM. They could be your heavy lifters being S6 on the charge, but they'll only do that if they're near the Prince. You have one unit of bikes and one unit of termies, who can take a bit more of a punch than normal CSM, but not by much. The maulers will be left in the dust while your infantry rushes forward, potentially getting into a turn one charge. So you've got no screen, and you've got only a few units that can take a punch.

If you go second, your important units (prince, lord, termies, maulers in that order) will be singled out and destroyed by shooting. There needs to be something else in the list to divert attention. OR, like Tsilber said, if you make EVERYTHING scary, then it doesn't matter if one or two units get nuked from shooting because the other units are still rushing forward chainaxe's reving.

 andysonic1 wrote:
You aren't going to be on par with scatterlaser jetbikes with World Eaters unless you go with a CAD with drop podding CSM,and even then you'll most likely still lose. Death Guard and Emperors Children are better equipped to deal with jetbikes.

Maybe several blobs of max cultists could pin down the jetbikes long enough for something else to get close to them.