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Davor wrote:

Vorian wrote:But since Eldrad isn't dead now, you'd have to question if anything from the last one is canon. A bit confusing

I don't know the fluff at all on how he died or anything about him. So I can be totally off base here. I am just wondering if the only reason he is alive now, is that this is a retelling and not a retcon and since it's a retelling like how the Fall of Cadia is what happened with the Eye of Terror campaign, will that mean that Eldrad will die soon. Did GW say how Eldrad died before? If so can it happen this way in the current way GW is going with the story and continuing the Fall of Cadia or The Gathering Storms if this is what we are calling this series.

Or am I totally of base guessing and this is a complet retcon?

He tried to take control of a Blackstone fortress with his mind and ended up trapped inside it with some kind of really powerful Slaaneshi thing.

 Melissia wrote:
Guessed as much. Ah well. Back to being a cynical lurker.

On the bright side, Castellans of the Imperium detachment can be seen as a significant boost for the Sisters if you're willing to take one single non-sisters model in the list, namely Mr. Toquemada Coteaz, who is helpfully included in your codex: imperial agents if you bought that.

if you take him as one of your HQs, you have a detachment that is idententical to 2 CAD detachments (minimum 2 HQs up to 4, min 4 troops, 0-6 of every other slot), that grants you obsec to your whole army, Hatred to your whole army, and troop units that are destroyed return to reserves on a 5+.

Add in the new, amazingly good Saint Celestine, and sisters of battle are in the best spot they've been in for years, game power wise. Sadly, no new plastics other than those yet.

He is at least wraithguard size if not bigger, he looks to be wider than the jetbike.

Even factoring GW sculpting eveything with the proportions of chimps, just look at his arms and where his hands stop and there is a fair bit we cannot see from mid thigh down.

Maybe it is just me but I can make out hip plates and crotch plates on his armour which back up that being a view from mid thigh up.

Not 100% sure but pretty sure 2 seperate arguments counter to each other are being made using the bikes and wraithguard to say the new model is small.

Davor wrote:

Vorian wrote:But since Eldrad isn't dead now, you'd have to question if anything from the last one is canon. A bit confusing

I don't know the fluff at all on how he died or anything about him. So I can be totally off base here. I am just wondering if the only reason he is alive now, is that this is a retelling and not a retcon and since it's a retelling like how the Fall of Cadia is what happened with the Eye of Terror campaign, will that mean that Eldrad will die soon. Did GW say how Eldrad died before? If so can it happen this way in the current way GW is going with the story and continuing the Fall of Cadia or The Gathering Storms if this is what we are calling this series.

Or am I totally of base guessing and this is a complet retcon?

40K uses comic book rules for character death. No body? Not dead. If there is a body there only dead until the writers decide otherwise. For reference see Bucky, Jason todd, Peter parkers parents and every member of a X team that ever "died" To be fair though Eldrads final fate was left somewhat ambiguous in the original campaign IIRC

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Barzam wrote:

Spoiler:

The guy in red, is that the mysterious crimson Eldar character?

Yes. I don't have a link to the picture, but in the Cadia book there is a pic of some Uthwe Eldar models and in the background blurred by fog (seriously GW is loving that fog machine lately) there is an ACTUAL MODEL that is undoubtedly this exact dude. Unmistakable silhouette and coloration.

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Here ya go:

Whaaat. Seems to be an eldar pirate with fashionable fashion-sense and Commoragh background? Wyches present in the fight? Might it be the return of Sliscus?
I mean Phil Kelly's writing most of the background/story stuf, still right?

just a thought

SeanDrake wrote:
He is at least wraithguard size if not bigger, he looks to be wider than the jetbike.

Even factoring GW sculpting eveything with the proportions of chimps, just look at his arms and where his hands stop and there is a fair bit we cannot see from mid thigh down.

Maybe it is just me but I can make out hip plates and crotch plates on his armour which back up that being a view from mid thigh up.

Not 100% sure but pretty sure 2 seperate arguments counter to each other are being made using the bikes and wraithguard to say the new model is small.

He's not small, he's a normal proportions eldar character. People are projecting like mad when they are suggesting he is somehow massive. Arhiman for example is larger then a normal chaos space marine while still clearly being a CSM himself, simply more ornate and posed wider. This is the same situation. Look at the plastic Archon if you don't believe me, his model stands apart from normal infantry and he towers over them on his base, this is that same situation.

SeanDrake wrote:
He is at least wraithguard size if not bigger, he looks to be wider than the jetbike.

Even factoring GW sculpting eveything with the proportions of chimps, just look at his arms and where his hands stop and there is a fair bit we cannot see from mid thigh down.

Maybe it is just me but I can make out hip plates and crotch plates on his armour which back up that being a view from mid thigh up.

Not 100% sure but pretty sure 2 seperate arguments counter to each other are being made using the bikes and wraithguard to say the new model is small.

Nah, he's significantly smaller than the Wraithguard, he's standing just by a few of them in the book image.

Whatever he is, he is beefy... I'm not aware of any other Eldar, dark, craftworld, or otherwise that incorporates something animal onto their clothing. If Exodites or some other group of Eldar are being introduced that motif would make for something distinctive.

Beefy and Eldar are not commonly used together. Some type of wraithlord/walker type??

 aka_mythos wrote:
Whatever he is, he is beefy... I'm not aware of any other Eldar, dark, craftworld, or otherwise that incorporates something animal onto their clothing. If Exodites or some other group of Eldar are being introduced that motif would make for something distinctive.

Actually the current Dark Eldar Succubus wears a fur/pelt cloak, as did the previous succubus model and the previous Archon model, so it is wouldn't be a new esthetic for DE Hq-models/characters!

The aesthetics of that model point strongly towards DE, although Corsair is also a possibility. I find it interesting, however, that he is pictured with CW Eldar, and in the art he is with Templars.
Whoever this guy is, he sure likes to stand apart.

Do the Pheonix Lords have their own runes? And if so, do we know what Ahra's looks like?

I have a funny feeling the rune in the trailer might represent Ahra given it's semblance to the Striking Scorpion symbol with the addition of a tail (which to me looks like the bottom of the Diabolical rune, which makes sense since Ahra fell from grace into darkness) and the Infinity rune (which as pointed out earlier is the same rune used to represent the Infinity Circuit, but the rune also means Infinity by itself) and given the Phoenix Lords are theoretically eternal - or 'infinite' - it makes sense.


I dunno, maybe I'm jumping through hoops here.

 Galef wrote:
I'd love if the 'crimson Incubus' turns out to be Arhra, but hopefully they confirm that he has been Drazhar this whole time and just now decided to reveal himself.
Otherwise, he needs to be someone else.

I've also heard Vect is on the way, but nothing confirmed yet.

I hope he isn't Drazhar. I love him, but I'd like him to be updated with a new codex, and this be a new character.

Considering the size of the first character set. Veilwalker, the female and the crimson warrior would be a much smaller set. So perhaps there is space for Vect too?

The first thing I thought when I saw that silhouette was 'Striking Scorpion'.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Davor wrote:

Vorian wrote:But since Eldrad isn't dead now, you'd have to question if anything from the last one is canon. A bit confusing

I don't know the fluff at all on how he died or anything about him. So I can be totally off base here. I am just wondering if the only reason he is alive now, is that this is a retelling and not a retcon and since it's a retelling like how the Fall of Cadia is what happened with the Eye of Terror campaign, will that mean that Eldrad will die soon. Did GW say how Eldrad died before? If so can it happen this way in the current way GW is going with the story and continuing the Fall of Cadia or The Gathering Storms if this is what we are calling this series.

Or am I totally of base guessing and this is a complet retcon?

40K uses comic book rules for character death. No body? Not dead. If there is a body there only dead until the writers decide otherwise. For reference see Bucky, Jason todd, Peter parkers parents and every member of a X team that ever "died" To be fair though Eldrads final fate was left somewhat ambiguous in the original campaign IIRC

So only Uncle Ben then eh?

Actually, Peter's parents too - they haven't come back. Yet.

As for Eldrad, as noted, this may be set 'before' his 'death', so the timeline might get back there again, or it might be changed.

We'll see!

 Alpharius wrote:
Actually, Peter's parents too - they haven't come back. Yet.

As for Eldrad, as noted, this may be set 'before' his 'death', so the timeline might get back there again, or it might be changed.

We'll see!

So maybe he will die then and we know how, but just like The Eye of Terror campaign, we know the ending, but not the story, so now we are getting the story. Time will tell. I am really liking this new approach. So it's like Horus Heresy. We know the ending, but now we have the story getting to it.

ursvamp wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
Whatever he is, he is beefy... I'm not aware of any other Eldar, dark, craftworld, or otherwise that incorporates something animal onto their clothing. If Exodites or some other group of Eldar are being introduced that motif would make for something distinctive.

Actually the current Dark Eldar Succubus wears a fur/pelt cloak, as did the previous succubus model and the previous Archon model, so it is wouldn't be a new esthetic for DE Hq-models/characters!

There are several artworks (Goodwin, Blanche, Gibbons...) depicting (Craftworld) Eldar with pelts too (usually warlocks).

Honestly, given that DE like wearing other peoples skin, is a pelt really that much of a surprise?

 Dryaktylus wrote:

ursvamp wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
Whatever he is, he is beefy... I'm not aware of any other Eldar, dark, craftworld, or otherwise that incorporates something animal onto their clothing. If Exodites or some other group of Eldar are being introduced that motif would make for something distinctive.

Actually the current Dark Eldar Succubus wears a fur/pelt cloak, as did the previous succubus model and the previous Archon model, so it is wouldn't be a new esthetic for DE Hq-models/characters!

There are several artworks (Goodwin, Blanche, Gibbons...) depicting (Craftworld) Eldar with pelts too (usually warlocks).

A bunch of the HH books made the point that Craftworld Eldar are Vegans, so I'm not sure if wearing pelts is a Warlock "thing" in the current fluff. But the dark kin sure as hell don't mind eating meat and wearing pelts, that's for sure.

 Lockark wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

ursvamp wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
Whatever he is, he is beefy... I'm not aware of any other Eldar, dark, craftworld, or otherwise that incorporates something animal onto their clothing. If Exodites or some other group of Eldar are being introduced that motif would make for something distinctive.

Actually the current Dark Eldar Succubus wears a fur/pelt cloak, as did the previous succubus model and the previous Archon model, so it is wouldn't be a new esthetic for DE Hq-models/characters!

There are several artworks (Goodwin, Blanche, Gibbons...) depicting (Craftworld) Eldar with pelts too (usually warlocks).

I bunch of the HH books made the point that Craftworld Eldar are Vegans, so I'm not sure if wearing pelts is a Warlock "thing" in the current fluff. But the dark kin sure as hell don't mind eating meat and wearing pelts, that's for sure.

Faux (wraith) fur? And you don't have to eat the previous wearer. The pelt-wearing Warlock in the 4th edition rulebook has a Gyrinx. Hmmm...

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

ursvamp wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
Whatever he is, he is beefy... I'm not aware of any other Eldar, dark, craftworld, or otherwise that incorporates something animal onto their clothing. If Exodites or some other group of Eldar are being introduced that motif would make for something distinctive.

Actually the current Dark Eldar Succubus wears a fur/pelt cloak, as did the previous succubus model and the previous Archon model, so it is wouldn't be a new esthetic for DE Hq-models/characters!

There are several artworks (Goodwin, Blanche, Gibbons...) depicting (Craftworld) Eldar with pelts too (usually warlocks).

I bunch of the HH books made the point that Craftworld Eldar are Vegans, so I'm not sure if wearing pelts is a Warlock "thing" in the current fluff. But the dark kin sure as hell don't mind eating meat and wearing pelts, that's for sure.

Faux (wraith) fur? And you don't have to eat the previous wearer. The pelt-wearing Warlock in the 4th edition rulebook has a Gyrinx. Hmmm...

The Description made them sound more like Vegans then Vegetarian. I.E: "abstaining from the use of all animal products not just dietary". I recall in the book Fulgrim, Eldrad looking done upon the Emperor's Children wearing Leather Pteruges on their armour and such.

Now. All of these descriptions I can recall were in regards to Eldrad and his followers, So I guess other Craftworlds, Farseers, and Warlocks may not share the same views. But it realy gave me the perception it was all craftworld eldar.

I kinda dug the idea of it, because it sort of frameed everything around the old philosophy of the "Humours" and the four Temperaments. "Humours" from medieval medicine. More or less the short of it, it had "you are what you eat", and eating to much foods like Red Meat can cause people to become more aggressive for example. (Get's more complex then that, but a easy example.)

The Highly psychic eldar finding themselves influenced by their choice in diet makes alot of sence to me.

I'm quite tired ATM wright this, and hopeing my typo's aren't to bad ATM.

 Lockark wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

ursvamp wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
Whatever he is, he is beefy... I'm not aware of any other Eldar, dark, craftworld, or otherwise that incorporates something animal onto their clothing. If Exodites or some other group of Eldar are being introduced that motif would make for something distinctive.

Actually the current Dark Eldar Succubus wears a fur/pelt cloak, as did the previous succubus model and the previous Archon model, so it is wouldn't be a new esthetic for DE Hq-models/characters!

There are several artworks (Goodwin, Blanche, Gibbons...) depicting (Craftworld) Eldar with pelts too (usually warlocks).

A bunch of the HH books made the point that Craftworld Eldar are Vegans, so I'm not sure if wearing pelts is a Warlock "thing" in the current fluff. But the dark kin sure as hell don't mind eating meat and wearing pelts, that's for sure.

But that's incorrect. We've seen Exodites trading animal products with the craftworlds, including meat.

At the risk of going OT

Davor wrote:
So only Uncle Ben then eh?

Alternate reality Ben got spider powers and recently teamed up with other Spider people to take down a family of interdimensional vampires

 Alpharius wrote:
Actually, Peter's parents too - they haven't come back. Yet.

As for Eldrad, as noted, this may be set 'before' his 'death', so the timeline might get back there again, or it might be changed.

We'll see!

They turned out to be robots built by the Green goblin, nothing to do with the writers realising they had made a huge mistake

I think that whatever happened to Eldrad has either been erased, or vol2 of the gathering storm will reveal how he escaped. The end of vol1 seems to be after the end of the old eye of terror campaign.

 Robin5t wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

ursvamp wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
Whatever he is, he is beefy... I'm not aware of any other Eldar, dark, craftworld, or otherwise that incorporates something animal onto their clothing. If Exodites or some other group of Eldar are being introduced that motif would make for something distinctive.

Actually the current Dark Eldar Succubus wears a fur/pelt cloak, as did the previous succubus model and the previous Archon model, so it is wouldn't be a new esthetic for DE Hq-models/characters!

There are several artworks (Goodwin, Blanche, Gibbons...) depicting (Craftworld) Eldar with pelts too (usually warlocks).

A bunch of the HH books made the point that Craftworld Eldar are Vegans, so I'm not sure if wearing pelts is a Warlock "thing" in the current fluff. But the dark kin sure as hell don't mind eating meat and wearing pelts, that's for sure.

But that's incorrect. We've seen Exodites trading animal products with the craftworlds, including meat.

Korlandril, the Eldar character in the BL novel Path of the Warrior also sees and eats meat in the canteen aboard an Eldar ship while en route to battle.

I wonder how Eldar feel about obviously off topic discussion....

Red Eldar dude = Wraith Autarch

Joyboozer wrote:
I wonder how Eldar feel about obviously off topic discussion....

They'd probably try to trademark it. Aoffi™ Thopik™ or some such.

 toco wrote:
Red Eldar dude = Wraith Autarch

Wraithlords are pretty much this already, so no.

Possibly related to the gathering storm - Eldar are getting sort of renamed to "Aeldari". Still known as/call themselves Eldar, but official name is Aeldari (a la humans vs homo sapiens I guess)

http://a-40k-author.tumblr.com/post/155956855681/oh-please-tell-me-the-eldar-are-getting-renamed-to

Can anyone verify this?