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Davor wrote:

ChazSexington wrote:Retcon.

At least that's what happened last time.

Yeah sadly no matter what GW does, while I will enjoy the ride they are doing, I have this nagging feeling this is all for not and it will be just like Dallas and "it was all a dream" and means nothing.

You're old. [We're old I guess]

BrianDavion wrote:

 Robin5t wrote:
On the livestream today, they confirmed that Fall of Cadia is only the start of the story - they also confirmed that the galaxy will still be standing when this is all done.

in other words "don't panic, we're not AoSing 40k"

They did at one point out right say that there won't be a 40k end times. However the reason they gave was because Archaon was lord of the end times, and we don't have a Lord of the end times in 40k, instead of reasuring us that there won't be a 40k end times because they aren't going to skull the plot again.

A lot of people seem to be missing the point of Cadia. It's the Cadian Gate, as in, the gateway to the Eye. It's the only major stable route in or out of the eye. Warp travel is not like Star Wars hyper space, where you just pop in and out of where you want to be at random. Certain systems have far more stable Warp gate's than others and you have to hop between them to get anywhere.

Hence why in Path of Heaven, Horus was able to block the White Scars from reaching Terra, he simply had fleets in all major warp routes. If the Scars popped into realspace then the alarm was sounded and the Traitor fleets showed up in force. This is how Cadia works except it's literally the only way out of the eye on a large scale. Small Chaos fleets are able to slip in and out hence why not every battle is always in the Cadian Sector. However the huge incursions needed to take Terra, would have to come through the main gate or risk half of their ships being lost to the warp or delayed by centuries.

There is even a Word Bearers novel (Dark Creed I think?) Where there is a world that the Imperium is convinced is unassailable as it's right next to a stable warp gate. Any attempt to attack the system can be countered by a whole segmentum battle fleet showing up within a few hours. However the WB use a Necron device to shut down the gate, which makes it impossible for the Imperium to send reinforcements.

Ships require Navigators, precisely because the warp needs to be navigated. It's not a point A to point B deal. There are stable routes which ships are able to negotiate in a relatively "predictable" time/level of safety. It is possible to travel other routes but these could result in ships getting lost in the warp, destroyed, delayed decades or millenia, Or arriving in totally incorrect locations.

It's not just a case of "Butttt spehhhhhsssss is big, go around duhhh" It's; space is so huge, you have to jump through these very specific warp points to have any hope of getting anywhere quickly.

 alanmckenzie wrote:
So, the latest leaked snippets from January’s White Dwarf reveal a new book titled Gathering Storm: Fall of Cadia.

Now, in terms of the 40k setting, the Fall of Cadia is a pretty huge event. Perhaps the most significant event for a few thousand years?

So what are the implications (assuming the Fall does happen)?

Where is the setting going?

How much ground needs to be covered between Cadia falling and the Imperium collapsing?

What constitutes a collapse of the Imperium? Death of the Emperor and with it the Astronomican?

What does an Astronomican-less Imperium look like? Isolated pocket Empires?

Do you think that the Fall of Cadia is the last event of the 41st millennium and of 7th edition, or is there going to be a Gathering Storm: Siege of Terra before then? Again, how much ground needs to be covered between these two events?

Susequently, how does 8th Edition begin?



Let the conjecture flow.....

If Cadia falls, the Eye of Terror will probably get bigger. The Necron pylons holding things in check were already failing. The Armless Wonder might speed things along by finishing off the pylons.


And things for the Eldrad's hometown will get a lot more interesting. Not to mention, the rest of the Segmentum Obscurus.


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 KorPhaeron77 wrote:

Ships require Navigators, precisely because the warp needs to be navigated. It's not a point A to point B deal. There are stable routes which ships are able to negotiate in a relatively "predictable" time/level of safety. It is possible to travel other routes but these could result in ships getting lost in the warp, destroyed, delayed decades or millenia, Or arriving in totally incorrect locations.

It's not just a case of "Butttt spehhhhhsssss is big, go around duhhh" It's; space is so huge, you have to jump through these very specific warp points to have any hope of getting anywhere quickly.

The only thing Navigators allow for is longer Warp jumps to be made safely. Shorter jumps, known as "calculated jumps", can be done with technological means.


Unfortunately, it's difficult to maintain a galaxy-spanning empire the size of the Imperium by relying on short Warp hops.

Well one implication could be a name change. Is that a thing I can do? /s

 mrhappyface wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Robin5t wrote:
On the livestream today, they confirmed that Fall of Cadia is only the start of the story - they also confirmed that the galaxy will still be standing when this is all done.

in other words "don't panic, we're not AoSing 40k"

They did at one point out right say that there won't be a 40k end times. However the reason they gave was because Archaon was lord of the end times, and we don't have a Lord of the end times in 40k, instead of reasuring us that there won't be a 40k end times because they aren't going to skull the plot again.

Wait, are you saying they might bring archaon to 40k at some point? Man, the galaxy is fethed and so is Abaddon.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Robin5t wrote:
On the livestream today, they confirmed that Fall of Cadia is only the start of the story - they also confirmed that the galaxy will still be standing when this is all done.

in other words "don't panic, we're not AoSing 40k"

They did at one point out right say that there won't be a 40k end times. However the reason they gave was because Archaon was lord of the end times, and we don't have a Lord of the end times in 40k, instead of reasuring us that there won't be a 40k end times because they aren't going to skull the plot again.

Wait, are you saying they might bring archaon to 40k at some point? Man, the galaxy is fethed and so is Abaddon.

I don't think Archaon will come to 40k, more likely the end times will be called 'black crusade' because Abaddon is the Lord of the black crusade.

Archaon might not have made it to 40k, but Belakor did!