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I'm new to Chaos, have never played them.

From how I understand it, before Traitor Legion, you had no Legion Specific formations that gave you fantastic bonuses for sticking with one Legion. What you did have however is no restriction to take a mix of marks and model types. So a CAD could of consist of Noise Marines, Sorcerers, Bezerekers and Bikers all with a different Mark to boost their specific role.

Now I know that I could still just use the old codex and go via a CAD route to make use of all the different marks (specifically being able to include the fantastic new models) but is there a good way to mix two or maybe three legions and still gain the advantages from the Traitor Legion Codex?

Specifically thinking of Have a Nurgle core with splashes of Thousand sons sorcerers or Noise Marines? From my initial research and knowledge this seems impossible but perhaps there are routes or ways that I have no idea about!

Any help would be great. Thanks Dakka!

EDIT: Looking at 1850pts and I still am yet to get my hands on the Traitor Legion codex (Sold out everywhere in good old Blighty!)

I think one interesting thing is, For example, I join Chaos Lord from a Night Lords Detachment into a Squad of Nurgle mark Marines from Death Guard Detachment. Does the benefits from the Legion rule confer to each other (i.e. every model in that unit now have both Stealth and FnP ), or the Legion benefits just affect their respective models (i.e. The Lord have Stealth But No FnP, vice versa for Death Guard Nurgle marines), or the whole unit loss all Legion benefit wholesale like their loyalist counterparts .

You can't mix and match within detachments, they have to declare for one legion and follow those rules.

You may not be aware but black legion can still take marked units like rubrics and plague marines. And word bearers can still take any marks for normal units.

The nurgle core with noise marines sounds more like a vanilla codex army, but you could do it with Black legion or with multiple detachment s/formations.

To combine legions you must take multiple detachments. Unfortunately not allied detachments of your warlord is Chaos Marine (having a non chasos warlord helps.)

Mixing legion rules will have to be looked at on a case by case basis. Stealth is a bad example as one model with stealth gives it to the whole unit anyway (so mixing a night Lord in is kinda useful!).
But mostly mixing up doesn't benefit both sides.

You can do this quite easily now with all the formations. The legion dedications are based on detachments/formation, not your army so you can mix away. It might be hard to use one of the legion specific detachments though because of points.

The other option is to use black legion or word bearers as they still get to mix everything.

 Roknar wrote:
You can do this quite easily now with all the formations. The legion dedications are based on detachments/formation, not your army so you can mix away. It might be hard to use one of the legion specific detachments though because of points.

The other option is to use black legion or word bearers as they still get to mix everything.

I'm at a bit of a major disadvantage as I don't own a copy of the traitor legions.

Am I right in saying that the specific Mark bonuses (like Nurgle gaining feel no pain, relentless) is attributable to any Chaos detachment as long as you follow the rules (as in Legion dedication like you mention).

Then other bonuses are only attributable if you take a warband (reroll 1 FNP and Stealth from shots over 18"), as in legion specific detachments like you mention.

Have I got that right? If so could I potentially run this... Put this together very quickly on Battlescribe.


Death Guard with Alpha Legion & Thousand Sons Formations (1848pts)

++ CSM Death Guard Vectorium (1044pts) ++

Chaos Warband (956pts)

5x Chaos Biker, Mark of Nurgle, Veterans of the Long War [Chaos Biker Champion: Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]
1x Chaos Lord [Bike, Mark of Nurgle, Power Armour, Veterans of the Long War]

5x Chaos Marine with Boltgun, Mark of Nurgle, Veterans of the Long War [Aspiring Champion: Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Close Combat Weapon]
1x Rhino

5x Chaos Marine with Boltgun, Mark of Nurgle, Veterans of the Long War [Aspiring Champion: Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Close Combat Weapon]
1x Rhino

3x Chaos Terminators with Mark of Nurgle, Veterans of the Long War, 2x Combi-plasma, 2x Power Axe [Terminator Champion: Combi Bolter, Power Axe]
3x Chaos Terminators [Mark of Nurgle, Veterans of the Long War, 2x Combi-melta, 2x Power Axe [Terminator Champion:Combi Bolter, Power Axe]

5x Havocs [Aspiring Champion, 2x Autocannon, 4x Havoc, Mark of Nurgle, Veterans of the Long War]

5x Havocs [Aspiring Champion, 2x Autocannon, 4x Havoc, Mark of Nurgle, Veterans of the Long War]

+ Auxiliary (108pts) +

3x Chaos Spawn [Mark of Nurgle, 3x Spawn]


++ Thousand Sons Formation Detachment (505pts) ++

War Coven (505pts)

1x Exalted Sorcerer [Disc of Tzeetch, Mastery Level 2]
1x Sorcerer [Disc of Tzeetch, Mark of Tzeentch, Power Armour, Veterans of the Long War]
1x Sorcerer [Disc of Tzeetch, Mark of Tzeentch, Power Armour, Veterans of the Long War]
1x Sorcerer [Disc of Tzeetch, Mark of Tzeentch, Power Armour, Veterans of the Long War]


++ Alpha Legion Formation Detachment (305pts) ++

The Lost and the Damned (305pts)

10x Chaos Cultists [Cultist Champion, 9x Cultists]
10x Chaos Cultists [Cultist Champion, 9x Cultists]
10x Chaos Cultists [Cultist Champion, 9x Cultists]
10x Chaos Cultists [Cultist Champion, 9x Cultists]
1x Dark Apostle [Power Maul]

That looks right yeah. So the DG get the fearless , fnp, -1 int and the detachment bonuses. The thousand sons get a bonus invulnerable is blessed (them only, this won't transfer.) . And the alphas get infiltrate (and if you make an alpha your warlord, it is very difficult for your opponent to score slay the warlord.) (The apostle doesn't come with infiltrate, irritatingly)

Don't you have to take a core choice and an auxiliary choice to field an Alpha Legion army? For that matter, don't you also need to field a core choice for a Thousand Sons army?

You can take formations standalone.

If you wanted to gain detachment benefits, from the respective multi formation detachments, then you would need a core and auxiliary for each.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
You can take formations standalone.

If you wanted to gain detachment benefits, from the respective multi formation detachments, then you would need a core and auxiliary for each.

Great thanks… Not sure how competitive the list above will be but will try and tweak things to get the most out of the three legions.

Well at mastery level 1 the war coven is stuck only rolling on the tzeetnch table. This makes redundant the one big benefit of the war coven, which is manifesting a brb discipline on a 3+. You also aren't making use of the TS rather good relics. So a cyclopea cabal is going to be a lot more efficient.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Well at mastery level 1 the war coven is stuck only rolling on the tzeetnch table. This makes redundant the one big benefit of the war coven, which is manifesting a brb discipline on a 3+. You also aren't making use of the TS rather good relics. So a cyclopea cabal is going to be a lot more efficient.

You are right. In hindsight its probably going to be too big a point sink… I just wanted to make use of the amazing models (the sorcerers are some of the best GW have done in my opinion).

It's good to know that you can take formations and still get the legion bonuses. May look at a noise marine CAD instead… hmmm

Any good traitor legion combos?

Nurgle & alpha legion springs to mind to give the possibility of regenerating zombies (if I got the rules right, typhus grants army wide not formation right?)

Hmm I'm sure there must be some.

I think Ahriman could benefit from a night Lord buddy.
Stealth boosts his Jink save to 3+ (although, May not want to jink) and the relic that lowers ld gives the psychic shriek spam a bit more bite.

Think i would quit one unit of havocs to give the AP2 super staff to the exalted sorcerer and some extra level to the others. That unit NEEDS invisibility.

TS have the best relics. Any strong melee unit + astral grimoire makes for a great pusher. Iron Warriors Cult of Destruction with Obliterators and astral grimoire for example makes a super-unit that is great every phase.

Also, I want to find a way to combo seer's bane with night lords. Reduce their leadership, destroy them with Seer's Bane.

An Alpha Legion LATD of: 6 Units of 10, 1 unit of 20, and a Tyohus Plague Colony with 15 PM, Plas, Combi, Bombs and and Rhinos with 5 solo Spawn is 1500 pts.

Make the LATD the primary, and either the Apostle or some random Cultist Champion be the Warlord (strategic trait), turn the Cultists into Zombies and infiltrate them forward, even if its just 18 infront of the enemy.

Now you have 80 zombies, that can respawn AND prevent a Warlord kill. Id stick Typhus and the Apostle in the big blob.

Should be a good ammount of pts left over, our games are usually 1850/2000. With extra points, take another Lord of the Legion, daemon prince, or sorcerers.

You could move the LATD into the DG detachment so they can get reroll ones on fnp, but I think infiltrating them early on is better.


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Im also thinking of wonderful ways to take a 500 pt Alpha LATD as a plug in for my Ork army as well.

That's actually not a half bad idea. I'd lose the Melta Bombs though and maybe even the Combi-Plasma.

After that I'd supplement with either the Raptor or Terminator formations.

TS and IW have a very strong synergy since they...(feth it) fill each others holes well.