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In other recurring news: once again trump is being sued for sexual assault, only this time he can't settle like he usually does, especially if this jeffrey guy is involved. I don't know who he is, but that seems to be a brilliant tactic against trump.
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#Allred states client #SummerZervos willing to dismiss lawsuit if #Trump retracts false allegations calling her liar & admit sexual assault.
3:07 PM - 17 Jan 2017
Christina Wilkie White House reporter, The Huffington Post
A former contestant on Donald Trump’s reality show “The Apprentice” on Friday became the 11th woman to accuse the Republican nominee of sexual assault or misconduct, alleging that in 2007, Trump brought her to a hotel bungalow and forced himself on her.
Speaking at a press conference in Los Angeles, Summer Zervos described an encounter with Trump in a Beverly Hills hotel room where, she said, Trump kissed and groped her. Nearly a dozen women have come forward in recent days with similar stories of unwanted sexual advances from Trump, who has denied all accusations.
Zervos said she reached out to Trump some time after appearing on the NBC show in hopes of getting work at Trump’s real estate company. (Zervos appeared on the fifth season of “The Apprentice,” which aired in 2006.) She lived in L.A., but met with Trump during a trip to New York and asked about a job.
Zervos says that Trump kissed her on the lips at the start of their meeting ― “I was surprised, but felt that perhaps it was just his form of greeting” ― and praised her performance on his show. He mentioned that he’d be in Los Angeles soon and would be in touch.
“As I was about to leave, he again kissed me on the lips,” Zervos said. “This made me feel nervous and embarrassed. This is not what I wanted or expected.”
At Trump’s request, Zervos said, she gave him her phone number. “I left hurriedly and called a friend who lived in New York, because I was upset by the kiss,” she said. “I also called my parents to let them know what had happened.”
Back in L.A., she says, Trump called her and asked to meet her for dinner. Rather than take her to a restaurant, Trump had one of his security guards escort her to a bungalow at the Beverly Hills Hotel.
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Soon after she arrived, Zervos said, Trump “came to me and started kissing me open-mouthed as he was pulling me towards him. I walked away and I sat down on a chair ... He then asked me to sit next to him. I complied, and he then grabbed my shoulder and began kissing me again very aggressively and placed his hand on my breast.”
When she got up and walked away, she said, Trump “grabbed my hand and walked me into the bedroom.” She walked out of the room, at which point she says Trump suggested: “Let’s lay down and watch some telly-telly.”
“He put me in an embrace and I tried to push him away,” Zervos said. “I pushed his chest to put space between us, and I said, ‘Come on, man, get real.’ He repeated my words back to me ― ‘get reeeal’ ― as he began thrusting his genitals. He tried to kiss me again, and with my hand still on his chest, I said, ‘Dude, you’re tripping right now.’”
“He said, ‘What do you want?’” Zervos said. “And I said, ‘I came to have dinner.’ He said, ‘OK, we’ll have dinner.’”
Once it was clear she would not entertain his advances, Zervos said, Trump “paced around the room. He acted like he was a bit angry. He pointed out that someone had delivered a fruit basket.” Zervos said she felt like Trump pointed out the fruit basket “to show me how important he was.”
Over a shared sandwich for dinner, Zervos said, Trump advised her to default on her home mortgage, even though the loan was in good standing. Trump, she said, bragged about how he was able to “maneuver to get out of debt.” Once she defaulted on her home, Trump told Zervos, she should call the bank and say she planned to leave the keys on the kitchen table and walk away forever. “He said that would be a mini version of what he does,” she said.
Trump does, in fact, have a long history of using bankruptcy courts and debt defaults to get out of having to repay money he borrows from banks and investors. His four corporate bankruptcies have dogged Trump on the presidential campaign trail, where Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton has joked that Trump’s many ghostwritten business advice books “all seem to end at Chapter 11.”
A spokeswoman for the Trump campaign did not immediately respond to The Huffington Post’s request for comment.
UPDATE 11:55 p.m. ― Trump responded to Zervos on Friday evening, saying in a statement that he barely remembered her from “The Apprentice,” and “never met her at a hotel or greeted her inappropriately a decade ago.”
Also on Friday, Trump’s campaign issued a statement from what it said was a Zervos cousin named John Barry, who said Zervos had always spoken highly of Trump. Barry speculated that Zervos’ account of the assault was “an attempt to regain the spotlight at Mr. Trump’s expense,” according to the statement.
The Huffington Post was unable to independently verify Barry’s authenticity, or his relationship to Zervos.
UPDATE: Oct. 15: Attorney Gloria Allred told The Huffington Post on Saturday that a third witness, Ann Russo, has come forward to corroborate Zervos’ account of her experience with Trump. Allred also confirmed that John Barry is a cousin of Zervos’ who previously worked at her family restaurant but whose employment ended “several months ago.”
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Today President Obama commuted the sentence of former US Army Private, Chelsea Manning. I read the President's statement and am disappointed with his reasoning and his contrast (in part at least) with the Snowden case.
I believe this will ultimately damage President Obama's legacy and I fully expect Democrats to be hammered with this in the mid-term elections as part of the "soft on crime" label.
Breotan wrote: Today President Obama commuted the sentence of former US Army Private, Chelsea Manning. I read the President's statement and am disappointed with his reasoning and his contrast (in part at least) with the Snowden case.
I believe this will ultimately damage President Obama's legacy and I fully expect Democrats to be hammered with this in the mid-term elections as part of the "soft on crime" label.
Well... that's disappointing...
I guess that means Snowden/Bergdahlwill be commuted.
What's the likelihood that Clinton and her staff getting a 'blanketed' pardoned?
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Manning is a scumbag. Violated his oath, violated his NDAs, gave up a gak ton of classified during time of war, with some of it related to ongoing ops.
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
Did Manning's actions lead to anything more than embarrassing the US? Did any operatives lose their lives, for example?
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
feeder wrote: Did Manning's actions lead to anything more than embarrassing the US? Did any operatives lose their lives, for example?
Would we honestly be told? Revealing any such operatives might in itself endanger other operatives, assets, etc. We likely won't know until all records are unsealed 50-100 years from now.
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Breotan wrote: Today President Obama commuted the sentence of former US Army Private, Chelsea Manning. I read the President's statement and am disappointed with his reasoning and his contrast (in part at least) with the Snowden case.
I believe this will ultimately damage President Obama's legacy and I fully expect Democrats to be hammered with this in the mid-term elections as part of the "soft on crime" label.
Well... that's disappointing...
I guess that means Snowden/Bergdahlwill be commuted.
What's the likelihood that Clinton and her staff getting a 'blanketed' pardoned?
Yeah, I don't like it. She should serve her time. Snowden, I could see, as he was actually doing something good (revealing that the government was spying on citizens), but he ran away to Russia, so that rules that our for me.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
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BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
Yeah, I don't like it. She should serve her time. Snowden, I could see, as he was actually doing something good (revealing that the government was spying on citizens), but he ran away to Russia, so that rules that our for me.
Because of the later I'd actually posit that pardoning Snowden is a prudent course. I feel that Snowden acted honestly out of conscience, and he fled because he had to. Russia used him now as a propaganda tool. The US government lost on that one. Give up, and let the guy come home.
Manning's behavior was reckless, and I honestly think there is something wrong with her (and its not that she's trans, she really does seem to have some issues outside that), so if Obama thinks she should be pardoned I supposed I don't really care that much. A few years were served, its not like anyone else is going to jump at the chance to do the same thing and gamble on Trump or whoever comes next offering them leniency.
Breotan wrote: Today President Obama commuted the sentence of former US Army Private, Chelsea Manning. I read the President's statement and am disappointed with his reasoning and his contrast (in part at least) with the Snowden case.
I believe this will ultimately damage President Obama's legacy and I fully expect Democrats to be hammered with this in the mid-term elections as part of the "soft on crime" label.
Well... that's disappointing...
I guess that means Snowden/Bergdahlwill be commuted.
What's the likelihood that Clinton and her staff getting a 'blanketed' pardoned?
Yeah, I don't like it. She should serve her time. Snowden, I could see, as he was actually doing something good (revealing that the government was spying on citizens), but he ran away to Russia, so that rules that our for me.
Regardless, there were/are legal means to "blow the whistle". They chose not to use that avenue... hence why da' law hammer came crashing down.
The unfortunate lesson here is that Obama will be blamed for every jr. intel officer who goes off the reservation for the next 15 or so years, who'll cite this as precedent...
Yeah, I don't like it. She should serve her time. Snowden, I could see, as he was actually doing something good (revealing that the government was spying on citizens), but he ran away to Russia, so that rules that our for me.
Because of the later I'd actually posit that pardoning Snowden is a prudent course. I feel that Snowden acted honestly out of conscience, and he fled because he had to. Russia used him now as a propaganda tool. The US government lost on that one. Give up, and let the guy come home.
Snowden undeniably embarrassed the Whitehouse... and they had to scramble to clean up the mess diplomatically.
For all the hysteria over the Podesta/DNC hack that was given to Wikileak, it's the Snowden/Manning document dump that pleased our adversaries (Russia/China/etc...).
Manning's behavior was reckless, and I honestly think there is something wrong with her (and its not that she's trans, she really does seem to have some issues outside that), so if Obama thinks she should be pardoned I supposed I don't really care that much. A few years were served, its not like anyone else is going to jump at the chance to do the same thing and gamble on Trump or whoever comes next offering them leniency.
The only thing that makes sense to me about this pardon, was that Obama was pandering to his LGBT base.
It's good to be king with plenary pardon powah... eh?
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Regardless, there were/are legal means to "blow the whistle". They chose not to use that avenue... hence why da' law hammer came crashing down.
I thought the issue was the whistle-blowin' process was revealed to be a sham.... hence, the leakage.
The unfortunate lesson here is that Obama will be blamed for every jr. intel officer who goes off the reservation for the next 15 or so years, who'll cite this as precedent...
Can there never be enough "Thanks, Obama"?
The only thing that makes sense to me about this pardon, was that Obama was pandering to his LGBT base.
It's good to be king with plenary pardon powah... eh?
Pandering for what? He's running for Senator again?
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We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
whembly wrote: The unfortunate lesson here is that Obama will be blamed for every jr. intel officer who goes off the reservation for the next 15 or so years, who'll cite this as precedent...
The only thing that makes sense to me about this pardon, was that Obama was pandering to his LGBT base.
Or to call Assange's bluff to extradite himself. Or to rid the DoD of having to deal with all of the complications Manning was going to cause them.
It's good to be king with plenary pardon powah... eh?
Well, Manning wasn't pardoned and I don't think her life after May 2017 is going to be all gumdrops and rainbows.
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whembly wrote: The only thing that makes sense to me about this pardon, was that Obama was pandering to his LGBT base.
Alternatively, her sentence (including extremely poor treatment in prison) was vastly disproportionate to the crime and clearly a "you embarrassed us, now you're going to pay for it" thing rather than any kind of justice. Commuting (NOT pardoning) her sentence to the time she's already spent in prison is a legitimate act of mercy and decency, no pandering required.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
whembly wrote: The unfortunate lesson here is that Obama will be blamed for every jr. intel officer who goes off the reservation for the next 15 or so years, who'll cite this as precedent...
So, why commute Manning? The justifications are very weak-sauced.
She knowingly and intentionally placed lives in danger by indiscriminately placing our nation’s secrets in the public domain.
She [b]risked American lives.
She risked allied lives.
She dumped hundreds of thousands of classified documents into the public domain without the slightest regard for the lives of others.
These documents detailed US military operations, the identities of American military allies, and placed sensitive American diplomatic relationships at risk... and Obama's own Whitehouse really had to scramble to mitigate the damages.
There is simply no excuse.
The only thing that makes sense to me about this pardon, was that Obama was pandering to his LGBT base.
Or to call Assange's bluff to extradite himself. Or to rid the DoD of having to deal with all of the complications Manning was going to cause them.
I don't believe Obama would do that "just to give the DoD" an out of providing her treatments.
So the question remains... why should her gender dysphoria have any bearings to the merits of her commutation?
The Assange thing is purely a joke. He ain't going to turn himself in... especially since Obama won't be able to do ANYTHING meaningful as he won't be president anymore. (may it's great to say that! )
It's good to be king with plenary pardon powah... eh?
Well, Manning wasn't pardoned and I don't think her life after May 2017 is going to be all gumdrops and rainbows.
Oh, I know her dishonorable discharge remains in effect. But, it's difficult to square the severity of her crimes to Obama commutation.
Hey, isn’t that … Vice President-elect Mike Pence, roaming the aisles of the Safeway near his Chevy Chase rental home on Thursday night? The suit-clad Veep-to-be was shopping solo (that is, except for a herd of Secret Service agents surrounding him), a fellow shopper tells us, and ultimately located the object of his mission: two half-gallon tubs of Turkey Hill ice cream.
Pence shook hands with a cashier on the way out but otherwise went undisturbed. He left in a convoy of three SUVs.
Maybe he was responding to a hey-can-you-pick-something-up on-your-way-home request from his family? Or does Marlon Bundo eat ice cream?
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d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
whembly wrote: So the question remains... why should her gender dysphoria have any bearings to the merits of her commutation?
Because it's related to her poor treatment in prison. If she was receiving proper treatment (as a woman) for it in prison then it wouldn't be relevant, and the merits of the commutation would be entirely the fact that her sentence was a disproportionate act of revenge.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Last chance, folks. There's debate on closing the thread permanently, and some voices in favor of closing the OT forum permanently. Kindly conduct yourselves with at least a little decorum, and in accordance with Dakka's few rules.
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... So what happened in the Mountain West? Well, the same thing as happened in the South: The Republican share went up a fair amount in rural areas, and down a bit in urban areas. But unlike the South, this was a bad trade-off for Republicans here. Unless something changes, this will pose problems for Republicans in the future.
It's continuing the trend of how polarizing "rural vs urban" areas.
I also like their description of "contagion" when analyzing the trends...
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Rosebuddy wrote: Chelsea Manning is a hero and that she will finally be freed is the week's first piece of good news. It has really made my day to hear it.
I strongly disagree mate.... The reason Manning was tried and convicted in the first place was because of the massive stack of paperwork showing behavioral issues. Manning's actions are very clearly a childish lashing out at her leadership and military service.
In actual political news, I'm seeing from numerous sources that the DeVos confirmation hearings aren't going so well for her... Many senators who are in favor of strong public schools are hammering her.... this is good news.
Donald Trump announces plans for military parades in major US cities after he becomes President
'We’re going to show the people as we build up our military, we’re going to display our military'
Like all the really great countries do.
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Donald Trump announces plans for military parades in major US cities after he becomes President
'We’re going to show the people as we build up our military, we’re going to display our military'
Like all the really great countries do.
Oi Vey.... Does this clown not realize that our roads are utter gak? I mean, if he goes through with this, we're gonna be forced to repair/replace roads that are even more undrivable because of M1 and M2 tracks tearing them up.
Donald Trump announces plans for military parades in major US cities after he becomes President 'We’re going to show the people as we build up our military, we’re going to display our military'
Like all the really great countries do.
Oi Vey.... Does this clown not realize that our roads are utter gak? I mean, if he goes through with this, we're gonna be forced to repair/replace roads that are even more undrivable because of M1 and M2 tracks tearing them up.
I don't see the situation as outside the realm of possibility that Trump, who seems incapable of letting go of grudges, would have military marches through Democrat-held cities as a means of intimidation, and then force them to pay for the necessary repairs. Or promise federal funds for repairs that never manage to appear.
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In actual political news, I'm seeing from numerous sources that the DeVos confirmation hearings aren't going so well for her... Many senators who are in favor of strong public schools are hammering her.... this is good news.
Donald Trump announces plans for military parades in major US cities after he becomes President 'We’re going to show the people as we build up our military, we’re going to display our military'
Like all the really great countries do.
Its a shame Obama didn't do this. The militia aluminum hat wearing wannabees would be losing their minds. I'll have to see if they lose their minds on Salon and Slate.
EDIT: Agreed. I don't want military parades going through town. The last time we had military parades in Texas, they were wearing blue...
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