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Prestor Jon wrote:

That's not what the article says:
"They were legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade," a source involved in Trump's inaugural parade preparation told The Huffington Post.


HuffPo is claiming that an anonymous source on team Trump told them that Trump was "legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade" those are the source's words quoted by HuffPo.


That's not what it says.

I fact it's unclear what it says. Does it mean "Trump's inaugural parade preparation" as in someone involved in preparation for the inaugural parade that is Trumps, or does it mean "Trump's inaugural parade preparation" as in someone who is working for Trump preparing his inaugural parade?

   
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Roswell, GA

 d-usa wrote:
 Breotan wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 feeder wrote:
Dont know about thedailybeast as a source. Are they HuffPo/Breitbart level BS pushers?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/20/trump-s-whitehouse-gov-disappears-civil-rights-climate-change-lgbt-rights.html

Not a great first step, if true.

They're a half-step away from HuffPo/Breibart level...

And, this was reported that this'll happen everytime a new President get elected.

The entire web site was essentially redone to match the incoming President's agenda, not to "disappear" anything.



So we can assume that the President's agenda officially does not include civil rights, LGBTQ rights, and climate change?



I think that has been PAINFULLY obvious
   
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Everett, WA

 d-usa wrote:
 Breotan wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 feeder wrote:
Dont know about thedailybeast as a source. Are they HuffPo/Breitbart level BS pushers?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/20/trump-s-whitehouse-gov-disappears-civil-rights-climate-change-lgbt-rights.html

Not a great first step, if true.

They're a half-step away from HuffPo/Breibart level...

And, this was reported that this'll happen everytime a new President get elected.

The entire web site was essentially redone to match the incoming President's agenda, not to "disappear" anything.

So we can assume that the President's agenda officially does not include civil rights, LGBTQ rights, and climate change?

We can assume they're not an agenda item in and of themselves. That doesn't mean the jack-boots are coming to kick in doors and take people to the camps like some people seem intent on insinuating.


 
   
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Roswell, GA

 Breotan wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
 Breotan wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 feeder wrote:
Dont know about thedailybeast as a source. Are they HuffPo/Breitbart level BS pushers?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/20/trump-s-whitehouse-gov-disappears-civil-rights-climate-change-lgbt-rights.html

Not a great first step, if true.

They're a half-step away from HuffPo/Breibart level...

And, this was reported that this'll happen everytime a new President get elected.

The entire web site was essentially redone to match the incoming President's agenda, not to "disappear" anything.

So we can assume that the President's agenda officially does not include civil rights, LGBTQ rights, and climate change?

We can assume they're not an agenda item in and of themselves. That doesn't mean the jack-boots are coming to kick in doors and take people to the camps like some people seem intent on insinuating.



I am pretty sure he made his energy plans clear in just the past few hours.
   
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North Carolina

 Ustrello wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
 Ustrello wrote:
 Cothonian wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
 Ustrello wrote:
One step closer to becoming a fascist huh?

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-reportedly-wanted-tanks-missile-014415635.html

President-elect Donald Trump's transition team reportedly wanted to include tanks and missile launchers during the inaugural parade Friday.

The Huffington Post cited sources saying that Trump's team wanted to have the military featured front and center as Trump took office, plans the military reportedly toned down.

"They were legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade," a source involved in Trump's inaugural parade preparation told The Huffington Post.

A representative for the US Defense Department did not comment on requests for military equipment, The Huffington Post said, referring inquiries to the Trump transition team. The report said Trump adviser Boris Epstein told The Huffington Post that the transition team consulted with the military "to render appropriate honors."

In an interview with The Washington Post, Trump said he wanted the military to have a strong presence at his inauguration ceremony.

"That military may be flying over New York City and Washington, DC, for parades," Trump said. "I mean, we're going to be showing our military."

The armed forces are usually present at inaugurations to help with coordination and to provide music and participate in salute batteries and color guards. Five-thousand service members are expected to participate in the event.


I'm skeptical of believing that a member of Trump's inauguration team felt the need to call up HuffPo and anonymously tell them that Trump wanted a "North Korea-style" military parade. It also isn't a step closer to anything because even if it were true it didn't actually happen and events that didn't transpire can't affect us.


I'm going to have to second that. HuffPost has done nothing but throw insults at the Trump team since they start (not even news, literally just insult pieces.) There is no reason that a member of the Trump team would call it a "North Korean" or "Red Square" style parade, much less contact the absolute least friendly news organization about it.


Seeing as how they didn't call it one but were thinking of one comparable to the NK and Soviets (it was the sources words not the teams words)


That's not what the article says:
"They were legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade," a source involved in Trump's inaugural parade preparation told The Huffington Post.


HuffPo is claiming that an anonymous source on team Trump told them that Trump was "legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade" those are the source's words quoted by HuffPo.


Reading comprehension is a good skill to have, that sentence is implying that the source is saying it was like a red square/ NK parade not that the team said it


HuffPo is claiming that the source was "involved in Trump's inaugural parade preparation." Did you think that HuffPo's source was just some random person that gave them a quote? If HuffPo's source isn't part of Trump's inauguration planning team how did the source know what kind of parade Trump wanted to have at his inauguration?

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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 feeder wrote:
Dont know about thedailybeast as a source. Are they HuffPo/Breitbart level BS pushers?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/20/trump-s-whitehouse-gov-disappears-civil-rights-climate-change-lgbt-rights.html

Not a great first step, if true.

They're a half-step away from HuffPo/Breibart level...

And, this was reported that this'll happen everytime a new President get elected.

Dailybeast is gak, but the climate change part is true.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-white-house-president-global-warming-climate-change-environment-a7538206.html



So Trump's first act as POTUS to make America great again was to allow the Chinese (and Germans, though they are way ahead already) to monopolize the research and production of the 21st century's energy? Yeah, that will work well. By MAGA! he really does mean return to a 1950s mindset, doesn't he?

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Bristol

Because planning the parade involves a lot more people than just Trumps team.

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Prestor Jon wrote:

HuffPo is claiming that the source was "involved in Trump's inaugural parade preparation." Did you think that HuffPo's source was just some random person that gave them a quote? If HuffPo's source isn't part of Trump's inauguration planning team how did the source know what kind of parade Trump wanted to have at his inauguration?


Because plenty of non-Trump bleeding heart liberals are part of Trump's Inauguration Planning Team. Unlike the entire campaign, the inauguration is not produced by The Trump Organization, but rather by a governmental entity that includes lots of people, including some that are not fans of Trump.
   
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Bristol

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

So Trump's first act as POTUS to make America great again was to allow the Chinese (and Germans, though they are way ahead already) to monopolize the research and production of the 21st century's energy? Yeah, that will work well. By MAGA! he really does mean return to a 1950s mindset, doesn't he?


Maybe Trump isn't aware that the Fallout series are just games and actually thinks people had fusion powered cars in the 1950s?

The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.

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North Carolina

 LordofHats wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:

That's not what the article says:
"They were legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade," a source involved in Trump's inaugural parade preparation told The Huffington Post.


HuffPo is claiming that an anonymous source on team Trump told them that Trump was "legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade" those are the source's words quoted by HuffPo.


That's not what it says.

I fact it's unclear what it says. Does it mean "Trump's inaugural parade preparation" as in someone involved in preparation for the inaugural parade that is Trumps, or does it mean "Trump's inaugural parade preparation" as in someone who is working for Trump preparing his inaugural parade?


It's Trump's parade, he's the client/boss so anyone working on the parade is working for Trump. Whether its a professional parade planner hired to work the inauguration for Trump or a dedicated Trump campaign staffer, the person is still working for Trump. If the person is just a hired professional then there's no reason to contact HuffPo for the sole purpose of making your client look bad, that's unprofessional and if the person is on Trump's staff there's no reason to contact an antagonistic media outlet and provide them with a quote that makes Trump look bad.

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 Breotan wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
 Breotan wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 feeder wrote:
Dont know about thedailybeast as a source. Are they HuffPo/Breitbart level BS pushers?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/20/trump-s-whitehouse-gov-disappears-civil-rights-climate-change-lgbt-rights.html

Not a great first step, if true.

They're a half-step away from HuffPo/Breibart level...

And, this was reported that this'll happen everytime a new President get elected.

The entire web site was essentially redone to match the incoming President's agenda, not to "disappear" anything.

So we can assume that the President's agenda officially does not include civil rights, LGBTQ rights, and climate change?

We can assume they're not an agenda item in and of themselves. That doesn't mean the jack-boots are coming to kick in doors and take people to the camps like some people seem intent on insinuating.



Of course not. They need to let all of the real 'Mericans imprisoned in those FEMA camps underneath abandoned Walmarts first so they have room too silly.
   
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Leerstetten, Germany

Prestor Jon wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:

That's not what the article says:
"They were legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade," a source involved in Trump's inaugural parade preparation told The Huffington Post.


HuffPo is claiming that an anonymous source on team Trump told them that Trump was "legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade" those are the source's words quoted by HuffPo.


That's not what it says.

I fact it's unclear what it says. Does it mean "Trump's inaugural parade preparation" as in someone involved in preparation for the inaugural parade that is Trumps, or does it mean "Trump's inaugural parade preparation" as in someone who is working for Trump preparing his inaugural parade?


It's Trump's parade, he's the client/boss so anyone working on the parade is working for Trump. Whether its a professional parade planner hired to work the inauguration for Trump or a dedicated Trump campaign staffer, the person is still working for Trump. If the person is just a hired professional then there's no reason to contact HuffPo for the sole purpose of making your client look bad, that's unprofessional and if the person is on Trump's staff there's no reason to contact an antagonistic media outlet and provide them with a quote that makes Trump look bad.
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Are you arguing that any leak against any Presidential administration were fake, because they were all on Team President and had no reason to make the President look bad?
   
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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Gordon Shumway wrote:

So Trump's first act as POTUS to make America great again was to allow the Chinese (and Germans, though they are way ahead already) to monopolize the research and production of the 21st century's energy? Yeah, that will work well. By MAGA! he really does mean return to a 1950s mindset, doesn't he?


Maybe Trump isn't aware that the Fallout series are just games and actually thinks people had fusion powered cars in the 1950s?


I'm not really sure which of the horrible factions from Fallout Trump most closely aligns with. Brotherhood of Steel? Their bad parts are all essentially distillations of Trump's appeal.

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Everett, WA

 Crimson Devil wrote:
 Breotan wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
 Breotan wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 feeder wrote:
Dont know about thedailybeast as a source. Are they HuffPo/Breitbart level BS pushers?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/20/trump-s-whitehouse-gov-disappears-civil-rights-climate-change-lgbt-rights.html

Not a great first step, if true.

They're a half-step away from HuffPo/Breibart level...

And, this was reported that this'll happen everytime a new President get elected.

The entire web site was essentially redone to match the incoming President's agenda, not to "disappear" anything.

So we can assume that the President's agenda officially does not include civil rights, LGBTQ rights, and climate change?

We can assume they're not an agenda item in and of themselves. That doesn't mean the jack-boots are coming to kick in doors and take people to the camps like some people seem intent on insinuating.

Of course not. They need to let all of the real 'Mericans imprisoned in those FEMA camps underneath abandoned Walmarts first so they have room too silly.

That reminds me, how is New Orleans these days?


 
   
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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Gordon Shumway wrote:

So Trump's first act as POTUS to make America great again was to allow the Chinese (and Germans, though they are way ahead already) to monopolize the research and production of the 21st century's energy? Yeah, that will work well. By MAGA! he really does mean return to a 1950s mindset, doesn't he?


Maybe Trump isn't aware that the Fallout series are just games and actually thinks people had fusion powered cars in the 1950s?


Maybe Trump watches a lot of CNN.

We're not living in a post-apocalyptic nuclear shelter in the year 2287, but the news sure makes it seem like we're inside Fallout 4.

In a CNN report on Russian hacking, first posted December 30 and updated Monday night, the news network used a screenshot from the popular Bethesda game as B-roll footage to demonstrate what hacking looks like.

The two-second shot might have resembled a cyberattack, but to eagle-eyed Fallout 4 fans, it was pretty obvious where the random characters came from.


https://www.cnet.com/news/cnn-uses-fallout-4-screenshot-in-report-on-russian-hacking/


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 d-usa wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:

That's not what the article says:
"They were legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade," a source involved in Trump's inaugural parade preparation told The Huffington Post.


HuffPo is claiming that an anonymous source on team Trump told them that Trump was "legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade" those are the source's words quoted by HuffPo.


That's not what it says.

I fact it's unclear what it says. Does it mean "Trump's inaugural parade preparation" as in someone involved in preparation for the inaugural parade that is Trumps, or does it mean "Trump's inaugural parade preparation" as in someone who is working for Trump preparing his inaugural parade?


It's Trump's parade, he's the client/boss so anyone working on the parade is working for Trump. Whether its a professional parade planner hired to work the inauguration for Trump or a dedicated Trump campaign staffer, the person is still working for Trump. If the person is just a hired professional then there's no reason to contact HuffPo for the sole purpose of making your client look bad, that's unprofessional and if the person is on Trump's staff there's no reason to contact an antagonistic media outlet and provide them with a quote that makes Trump look bad.
\

Are you arguing that any leak against any Presidential administration were fake, because they were all on Team President and had no reason to make the President look bad?


I'm pointing out the coincidence in this particular case of a media outlet that has already professed it's dislike for a politician happened to be contacted by an anonymous source that provided a quote that makes that politician look bad. HuffPo is lucky that Trump managed to profess his desire for a military parade within earshot of somebody who wanted to pass it on to HuffPo so Trump would look like a fascistic dbag.

I'm not giving a lot of credence to the HuffPo report. There's plenty of objectionable stuff that Trump has said and done without taking hearsay anecdotes from anonymous sources as the gospel truth so I'm gonna shrug this off with a meh, your mileage may vary.

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Apparently one of the Trump administration's first actions as president has been to suspend FHA guidelines that would have made mortgage insurance cheaper and helped first time buyers.

Yeah! Make American Great Again!

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Roswell, GA

 Breotan wrote:
 Crimson Devil wrote:
 Breotan wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
 Breotan wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 feeder wrote:
Dont know about thedailybeast as a source. Are they HuffPo/Breitbart level BS pushers?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/20/trump-s-whitehouse-gov-disappears-civil-rights-climate-change-lgbt-rights.html

Not a great first step, if true.

They're a half-step away from HuffPo/Breibart level...

And, this was reported that this'll happen everytime a new President get elected.

The entire web site was essentially redone to match the incoming President's agenda, not to "disappear" anything.

So we can assume that the President's agenda officially does not include civil rights, LGBTQ rights, and climate change?

We can assume they're not an agenda item in and of themselves. That doesn't mean the jack-boots are coming to kick in doors and take people to the camps like some people seem intent on insinuating.

Of course not. They need to let all of the real 'Mericans imprisoned in those FEMA camps underneath abandoned Walmarts first so they have room too silly.

That reminds me, how is New Orleans these days?



Ask their Governor
   
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Prestor Jon wrote:


It's Trump's parade, he's the client/boss so anyone working on the parade is working for Trump. Whether its a professional parade planner hired to work the inauguration for Trump or a dedicated Trump campaign staffer, the person is still working for Trump.


And thus the demand that all be silent before glorious leader begins.

If the person is just a hired professional then there's no reason to contact HuffPo for the sole purpose of making your client look bad,


I explained this on the previous page.

In any given room involving politics there are always people who want to talk to the press, and especially in something like a transition team, there are people working the trenches who eventually don't want to be in the trenches anymore. Cultivating relationships with news media is a basic skill for progressing in anything related to politics that isn't being an actual politician.


There is always someone willing to talk to the press, and there are always reporters who can get people who don't to tell them things anyway (seriously, did people learn nothing from all that McCrystal stuff?)

that's unprofessional and if the person is on Trump's staff there's no reason to contact an antagonistic media outlet and provide them with a quote that makes Trump look bad.


I'm kind of disturbed that the focus of this is on how an anonymous person must be a bad employee for giving a news outlet a quote, rather than Trump idolizing the kind of state displays of power you only use when you want to remind your own people who has all the power (because all those parades back in the 40s and 50s in the USSR, Germany, the US, and Britain, weren't just about impressing foreigners with how well your soldiers can march in straight lines). I'm going to go ahead and predict that in the next four years, someone will propose removing presidential term limits, and when it happens a staggering number of people will continue to ignore that Trump is bringing onto the table a disturbing focus on aggrandizement and pandering.

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 infinite_array wrote:
Apparently one of the Trump administration's first actions as president has been to suspend FHA guidelines that would have made mortgage insurance cheaper and helped first time buyers.

Yeah! Make American Great Again!

As I said, it will be a great 4 years for businesses, not so much for workers and consumers.

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Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
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Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
 
   
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@prestor Jon: On the other hand, maybe the CNN "reporters" (they aren't, they are just repeaters, get a news division cable "news" channels!) watch a lot of Trump. It is easy to listen to a Trump speech and think the apocalpyse already happened, hence the making America great again slogan. I just wish he would have used a little bit of Marty Robbins as his campaign music. Marty Robbins is the gak.

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Prestor Jon wrote:


Are you arguing that any leak against any Presidential administration were fake, because they were all on Team President and had no reason to make the President look bad?


I'm pointing out the coincidence in this particular case of a media outlet that has already professed it's dislike for a politician happened to be contacted by an anonymous source that provided a quote that makes that politician look bad. HuffPo is lucky that Trump managed to profess his desire for a military parade within earshot of somebody who wanted to pass it on to HuffPo so Trump would look like a fascistic dbag.

I'm not giving a lot of credence to the HuffPo report. There's plenty of objectionable stuff that Trump has said and done without taking hearsay anecdotes from anonymous sources as the gospel truth so I'm gonna shrug this off with a meh, your mileage may vary.


The credibility of HuffPo aside, and I admit it's pretty low, you would probably go to an outlet that is receptive to your message if you wanted to leak it.

And I think that it's more likely than not that there are enough people involved in the parade planning that a "can we have more military and stuff" question could be overheard by someone not sympathetic to Trump. There are people in the process that have no loyalty to Trump and who could see such a desire as a warning sign and who want to share it with others.

This is a separate argument from "what's the likelihood of this claim being true". It's a "what's the likelihood of someone leaking it if it is true" argument.

I think that it is very likely that someone would leak such a question or request if it was made.

I also think that is is more likely than not that someone on the Trump side of things asked something along the lines of "can we feature the military to show our support", followed by people involved in that conversation talking to someone else going "Trump wants the military involved', that person talking to someone else going "Trump wants a military parade with tanks and rockets", and that person running to HuffPo where that story was then shared.

   
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 sebster wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
Most of what the Dept of Ed does is handing out federal funding, making sure the right amounts go to the right schools with the right strings attached. It's a big factor in a lot of the problems we have in public education. The qualifications that schools have to meet to get their federal funding is primarily getting good test scores on federally mandated end of grade tests. That's why 3rd graders at my kids elementary school get stress counseling and teachers get stuck having to teach to the test, because if the kids don't get good marks on their EOG standardized tests then the school loses money. If you don't like economic policy that just amounts to the rich getting richer then I don't know why you're a fan of this education policy.


Nothing you wrote has anything to do with what I posted. It's just a boilerplate "NCLB is bad" post. Nothing wrong with pointing out the many issues with NCLB and the general idea of standardised testing = funding. The question is about how it might be fixed, and more specifically how the incoming presidency plans to address the issue.

The big idea from DeVos is that you give public money to support kids moving in to non-public schools. It's an okay idea, that might work if well managed. The issue is how you manage to ensure that lots of private schools of varying means, sizes and goals are delivering results for kids and giving a reasonable return on taxpayer funds. DeVos has shown she has little interest in actually monitoring this in a meaningful way. That's the issue here.

If you want some actual experience in this, here in WA (and more generally Australia wide) we just went through a process of opening up vocational education to private companies - the new scheme gave them govt funding for each student they took on much the same as the voucher system proposed in the US. I was actually part of seeing all this role out, as I was working at one of the state vocational schools at the time. At its core the scheme isn't too bad, there's plenty of training types the private sector can deliver at a lower cost, and having a range of private actors offering courses makes for a more flexible market as private actors can raise and lower capacity more easily to meet market demand. However, all that counts for nought if you don't have an effective scheme in place to monitor what these schools are delivering. What we saw was a range of fly by night companies geared to take student fees and government money, who'd then offer as little as possible until they collapsed, and then start up next term under a new name. It wasted government money and cost students a wasted year or two.

Lessons were learned, better monitoring schemes were put in place and the industry is slowly starting to right itself. A similar thing has occurred with college loans and shonky for profits in the US tertiary sector, which is slowly being fixed with better monitoring.

And now we have DeVos coming in to the job, with little interest in the existing monitoring system on US private colleges, and wanting to bring in a similar system in primary and secondary education, again with little interest in monitoring.

The problem isn't hard to spot.


Instead of having the Federal govt collect Federal taxes from state residents just to then send that money back to the schools those residents use via a convoluted Federal program the Federal govt should collect less tax revenue, not give money to schools and leave the states and local govts to run the schools and collect taxes to fund them. The Dept of Ed has no idea what my local schools are like, there are no Dept of Ed employees who take the time to research the schools and find out exactly what the successes and failures of each are and how they're doing. The Dept of Ed only knows my local schools as a table of test results that is used to determine federal funding payments. My county school board, school superintendent, principals, state representatives and state dept of Education actually know what's going on with my local schools, collects data on the schools and student performance and most importantly they are much more susceptible to the desires of the public they serve than Federal bureaucrats and cabinet appointees that don't give a feth about my kids because they don't even know they exist.


You just finished a bit in which you claim to be concerned about the rich getting richer, and then here you are saying each school district should pay for itself, with little to no interest shown in the massive differences in resources available to rich compared to poor districts. Wow.


School districts don't pay for themselves they receive money from the state. The state funds the schools that's why inner city schools in Newark NJ can spend more money per pupil than the high school I attended in the neighboring suburbs. School spending is a matter of public record and the states publicize it so the public knows where the education money is going. The inner city schools in NJ are spending more per pupil than the state average already. Having the Federal govt reduce Federal taxes so state residents have more money allows the States to raise taxes without increasing the tax burden on its residents and increase revenues earmarked for education spending. State govt is responsible for administering public schools, they track the data, pass applicable laws, take over failing schools etc. so they are much better equipped to fund public schools in a targeted way that maximizes student benefit compared to Federal programs.

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Leerstetten, Germany

 infinite_array wrote:
Apparently one of the Trump administration's first actions as president has been to suspend FHA guidelines that would have made mortgage insurance cheaper and helped first time buyers.

Yeah! Make American Great Again!


Meh, there is a fine balance between encouraging home ownership which grows the economy and risking a new bubble which harms the economy.

The program would have saved people an average of $500 a year, and I would love to have $500 in my pocket to buy 450 points worth of a 40K army, but if that $42 a month was the difference between someone being able to afford a mortgage then it was a risk that was too high too take.
   
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Regarding Huffington Post as a news source...opinion and bias seeps into almost everything they publish. But I admit, they're #1 when it comes to the crucial sideboob issues facing our nation.

A parade of military hardware would have been cool. Don't you guys ever go to airshows and gak like that? It's fun stuff to watch.

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 d-usa wrote:
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Are you arguing that any leak against any Presidential administration were fake, because they were all on Team President and had no reason to make the President look bad?


I'm pointing out the coincidence in this particular case of a media outlet that has already professed it's dislike for a politician happened to be contacted by an anonymous source that provided a quote that makes that politician look bad. HuffPo is lucky that Trump managed to profess his desire for a military parade within earshot of somebody who wanted to pass it on to HuffPo so Trump would look like a fascistic dbag.

I'm not giving a lot of credence to the HuffPo report. There's plenty of objectionable stuff that Trump has said and done without taking hearsay anecdotes from anonymous sources as the gospel truth so I'm gonna shrug this off with a meh, your mileage may vary.


The credibility of HuffPo aside, and I admit it's pretty low, you would probably go to an outlet that is receptive to your message if you wanted to leak it.

And I think that it's more likely than not that there are enough people involved in the parade planning that a "can we have more military and stuff" question could be overheard by someone not sympathetic to Trump. There are people in the process that have no loyalty to Trump and who could see such a desire as a warning sign and who want to share it with others.

This is a separate argument from "what's the likelihood of this claim being true". It's a "what's the likelihood of someone leaking it if it is true" argument.

I think that it is very likely that someone would leak such a question or request if it was made.


I also think that is is more likely than not that someone on the Trump side of things asked something along the lines of "can we feature the military to show our support", followed by people involved in that conversation talking to someone else going "Trump wants the military involved', that person talking to someone else going "Trump wants a military parade with tanks and rockets", and that person running to HuffPo where that story was then shared.



I agree with you on that. The way the HuffPo article reads strikes me as overly inflammatory and therefore makes me question its validity.

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Eh, when the government shutdown noone was hurt, killed, attacked. Nobodies place of business was burned down or looted. To top it off, the mass majority of government stayed up and running.

The only people hurt were those who wanted to take a walk in a national park but weren't able to. I'd hardly compare that to being attacked, or having one's business burned down.

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 Cothonian wrote:
Eh, when the government shutdown noone was hurt, killed, attacked. Nobodies place of business was burned down or looted. To top it off, the mass majority of government stayed up and running.

The only people hurt were those who wanted to take a walk in a national park but weren't able to. I'd hardly compare that to being attacked, or having one's business burned down.
I lost out on a job with a defense contractor that would have been a major step up in life directly because of it, ended up having to abandon that path and move to tread another ultimately as a result. That shutdown had very real implications beyond just parks not being open.

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 jasper76 wrote:

A parade of military hardware would have been cool. Don't you guys ever go to airshows and gak like that? It's fun stuff to watch.



They are, and they are appropriate for occasions featuring the military.

I don't think they are appropriate for occasions that feature the civilian leadership of our government. I think the current ways the military is included are pretty good.


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 Vaktathi wrote:
 Cothonian wrote:
Eh, when the government shutdown noone was hurt, killed, attacked. Nobodies place of business was burned down or looted. To top it off, the mass majority of government stayed up and running.

The only people hurt were those who wanted to take a walk in a national park but weren't able to. I'd hardly compare that to being attacked, or having one's business burned down.
I lost out on a job with a defense contractor that would have been a major step up in life directly because of it, ended up having to abandon that path and move to tread another ultimately as a result. That shutdown had very real implications beyond just parks not being open.


Government workers not getting paid aren't people either.

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 Vaktathi wrote:
 Cothonian wrote:
Eh, when the government shutdown noone was hurt, killed, attacked. Nobodies place of business was burned down or looted. To top it off, the mass majority of government stayed up and running.

The only people hurt were those who wanted to take a walk in a national park but weren't able to. I'd hardly compare that to being attacked, or having one's business burned down.
I lost out on a job with a defense contractor that would have been a major step up in life directly because of it, ended up having to abandon that path and move to tread another ultimately as a result. That shutdown had very real implications beyond just parks not being open.


Yeah but you weren't set on fire, so obviously you're just being dramatic

   
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 LordofHats wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
 Cothonian wrote:
Eh, when the government shutdown noone was hurt, killed, attacked. Nobodies place of business was burned down or looted. To top it off, the mass majority of government stayed up and running.

The only people hurt were those who wanted to take a walk in a national park but weren't able to. I'd hardly compare that to being attacked, or having one's business burned down.
I lost out on a job with a defense contractor that would have been a major step up in life directly because of it, ended up having to abandon that path and move to tread another ultimately as a result. That shutdown had very real implications beyond just parks not being open.


Yeah but you weren't set on fire, so obviously you're just being dramatic
well, at least there's that

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