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 LordofHats wrote:
BTW, how is the stock market doing? My Windows keeps sending me notices (despite continually turning them off...) that the market is down "amid anxiety about Trump's policies."


Down 27 per Yahoo.


Is that a lot, so-so, barely anything?

   
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 Peregrine wrote:
 whembly wrote:
The courts, and rightly so, disagrees with you.


The courts in Nazi Germany considered mass executions to be legal, so long as all the correct paperwork was done. Would you have opposed killing Hilter just because it wouldn't be legal?


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 Frazzled wrote:
Cool. Following that logic I can split the skull of a commie. I like this game.


If said communist is advocating the extermination of an entire race, then yes. But I haven't seen too many of those "communists".


Pol Pot's commies kiled 1/4 of their population.
Mao's commies killed 100mm people. They also had fun things like forced abortion.
Stalin's commies killed 25mm.

Communist slaughter made the German Nazis look like child's play.

Also if its about race, can I taze a BLM protester then? how about a KKK marcher? Can I make a face at a hipster. Please tell me I can make a face at a hipster.*

*did you know hipsters are just men wearing women's clothing? Look at the color patterns...



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 LordofHats wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:



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 LordofHats wrote:
BTW, how is the stock market doing? My Windows keeps sending me notices (despite continually turning them off...) that the market is down "amid anxiety about Trump's policies."


Down 27 per Yahoo.


Is that a lot, so-so, barely anything?


Thats almost literally nothing. The Dow is at 19,799 as a comparison, down 27.

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 LordofHats wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:



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 LordofHats wrote:
BTW, how is the stock market doing? My Windows keeps sending me notices (despite continually turning them off...) that the market is down "amid anxiety about Trump's policies."


Down 27 per Yahoo.


Is that a lot, so-so, barely anything?

Barely...

But... I think you'd know that, so I must be missing something...

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People hide behind freespeech to say some of the damn nastiest gak in this country. They don't listen, they don't learn, they don't care.

They call for lynchings, they scream for ovens, they demand rapings, they declare that god hates folk because of their skin, or gender, or sexuality.

And people click their tongues and tut tut, going "Now now, be nice, Because thats their right."

But god forbid someone has enough of their gak. God forbid someone gets knocked down a peg for being an donkey-cave. God fething forbid someone actually gets what they deserve for once.

I will never, ever, damn someone for punching a nazi, a bigot, or sexists.
   
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 whembly wrote:
 Gordon Shumway wrote:
And he is still using "the media" to point out how bad "the media" is. The hypocrisy is amazing. Hey, Whem, point out how badly "the media" was indebted to Obama without quoting a media source.

Now you're being dense and playing the gotcha game.



No, I'm not. If your basic premise is "we can't trust the media because the media is in the tank for the other guy", you cannot turn around and use the media as an example for any point you are trying to make. If we take your premise at any value, we have to disregard any point you attempt to make when you use "the media" as an example of it. It isn't a gotch, just a recognition of how rediculous attempting to paint "the media" with a broad brush really is. Don't like the media? Fine. Quit using it to bolster any of your arguments. Can't? Fine, quit using it as a scapegoat for stupitidy.



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Prestor Jon wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
 whembly wrote:
The courts, and rightly so, disagrees with you.


The courts in Nazi Germany considered mass executions to be legal, so long as all the correct paperwork was done. Would you have opposed killing Hilter just because it wouldn't be legal?


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 Frazzled wrote:
Cool. Following that logic I can split the skull of a commie. I like this game.


If said communist is advocating the extermination of an entire race, then yes. But I haven't seen too many of those "communists".


Are there people in the US organizing legalized mass executions that require our violent opposition? Not liking what people say in public or online isn't a reasonable justification to kill them or even assault them. That's true regardless of whether or not whembly has access to a time machine, the ability to plot a successful assassination of Hitler and the will to carry it out.

We can at least draw cartoon villain moustaches on their posters though right?


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lonestarr777 wrote:
People hide behind freespeech to say some of the damn nastiest gak in this country. They don't listen, they don't learn, they don't care.

They call for lynchings, they scream for ovens, they demand rapings, they declare that god hates folk because of their skin, or gender, or sexuality.

And people click their tongues and tut tut, going "Now now, be nice, Because thats their right."

But god forbid someone has enough of their gak. God forbid someone gets knocked down a peg for being an donkey-cave. God fething forbid someone actually gets what they deserve for once.

I will never, ever, damn someone for punching a nazi, a bigot, or sexists.


Sounds like you're an anti Nazi bigot. Can I punch you?

Any other portion of the Bill of Rights, you'd like to do away with?

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I will say on the whole "commies kill more than nazi's front", it's true, that more died under Stalin, he also had 30 or so years to do it in, whereas Hitler killed a lot more per year. USSR and Nazi Germany were still both horrible though. Although Pol Pot still takes the dubious award for "most effective mass murderer".

And no hitting nazis or commies unless they are violent. It's bad, even if they are Nazis.

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Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
 BaronIveagh wrote:
Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
 
   
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 Frazzled wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
 whembly wrote:
The courts, and rightly so, disagrees with you.


The courts in Nazi Germany considered mass executions to be legal, so long as all the correct paperwork was done. Would you have opposed killing Hilter just because it wouldn't be legal?


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 Frazzled wrote:
Cool. Following that logic I can split the skull of a commie. I like this game.


If said communist is advocating the extermination of an entire race, then yes. But I haven't seen too many of those "communists".


Are there people in the US organizing legalized mass executions that require our violent opposition? Not liking what people say in public or online isn't a reasonable justification to kill them or even assault them. That's true regardless of whether or not whembly has access to a time machine, the ability to plot a successful assassination of Hitler and the will to carry it out.

We can at least draw cartoon villain moustaches on their posters though right?


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lonestarr777 wrote:
People hide behind freespeech to say some of the damn nastiest gak in this country. They don't listen, they don't learn, they don't care.

They call for lynchings, they scream for ovens, they demand rapings, they declare that god hates folk because of their skin, or gender, or sexuality.

And people click their tongues and tut tut, going "Now now, be nice, Because thats their right."

But god forbid someone has enough of their gak. God forbid someone gets knocked down a peg for being an donkey-cave. God fething forbid someone actually gets what they deserve for once.

I will never, ever, damn someone for punching a nazi, a bigot, or sexists.


Sounds like you're an anti Nazi bigot. Can I punch you?

Any other portion of the Bill of Rights, you'd like to do away with?


You can even draw cartoons of the prophet Mohammed if you want to Frazz that's the power of Free Speech.

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Be sure to have armed guards at the cartoon convention though, as we learned in Texas.


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lonestarr777 wrote:
People hide behind freespeech to say some of the damn nastiest gak in this country. They don't listen, they don't learn, they don't care.

They call for lynchings, they scream for ovens, they demand rapings, they declare that god hates folk because of their skin, or gender, or sexuality.

And people click their tongues and tut tut, going "Now now, be nice, Because thats their right."

But god forbid someone has enough of their gak. God forbid someone gets knocked down a peg for being an donkey-cave. God fething forbid someone actually gets what they deserve for once.

I will never, ever, damn someone for punching a nazi, a bigot, or sexists.


Who determines what constitutes Nazi, bigoted or sexists behavior? You don't have the right to hurt people just because you don't like what they think or say. Just like nobody else has the right to hurt you because they don't like who you are. Sticks and stones...

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 whembly wrote:
So... you fear the rise of Nazi Germany in our court system?


Not so much, because I think enough people believe in the principle of killing Nazis that we won't get to that point.

Opposed killing Hitler? WTF? We were at war with Germany!


I'm talking about before Hitler got into power. If you got sent back in time to the 1930s would you support killing Hitler before he can commit genocide, or would you talk about how Hitler has a right to freedom of speech and we can't commit violence just because he has an opinion we don't like?

(The correct answer is you kill Hitler.)

Prestor Jon wrote:
Are there people in the US organizing legalized mass executions that require our violent opposition?


If we get to that point then it is far too late. You punch/kill/whatever it takes Nazis so that we don't have mass executions, you don't wait until the Nazis have started to carry out their promises of genocide.


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Prestor Jon wrote:
Who determines what constitutes Nazi, bigoted or sexists behavior?


I think "advocating genocide for the sake of racial purity" is a pretty good indicator that one is a Nazi, and a test the recipient of a well-deserved "alternative hug" passes.

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The face-punching of notorious gakheel Dick Spencer was illegal, against the principles of free speech, and absolutely wonderful.

All the Captain America punching Hitler memes, all of them! Glorious.

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 Gordon Shumway wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 Gordon Shumway wrote:
And he is still using "the media" to point out how bad "the media" is. The hypocrisy is amazing. Hey, Whem, point out how badly "the media" was indebted to Obama without quoting a media source.

Now you're being dense and playing the gotcha game.



No, I'm not. If your basic premise is "we can't trust the media because the media is in the tank for the other guy", you cannot turn around and use the media as an example for any point you are trying to make. If we take your premise at any value, we have to disregard any point you attempt to make when you use "the media" as an example of it. It isn't a gotch, just a recognition of how rediculous attempting to paint "the media" with a broad brush really is. Don't like the media? Fine. Quit using it to bolster any of your arguments. Can't? Fine, quit using it as a scapegoat for stupitidy.




Your position only works if you are intellectually honest and care for consistency. If you are an opportunist, why not use something for your benefit and decry that same system if it benefits you to do so? Especially if you have supporters whom are not bothered by such tactics?

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You call yourself a skinhead and spread your hate? You deserve it.

You joke about how once Obamas out office he deserves to be strung up? You deserve it.

You hold up a sign calling for women on a march to be raped? You deserve it.

This ain't fething rocket science on who earns some missin teeth. I'm sorry my violence offends your sensitive senseibilities but cry me a fething river. Some folks deserve to hav their teeth rattled.
   
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lonestarr777 wrote:
You call yourself a skinhead and spread your hate? You deserve it.

You joke about how once Obamas out office he deserves to be strung up? You deserve it.

You hold up a sign calling for women on a march to be raped? You deserve it.

This ain't fething rocket science on who earns some missin teeth. I'm sorry my violence offends your sensitive senseibilities but cry me a fething river. Some folks deserve to hav their teeth rattled.


So if they shoot you in the face in self defense, who deserved it?

Reagan was called a Nazi. Did he deserve to be shot? How about those calling for it?
Inversely, Obama was called a Communist. Should he have been shot? How about those calling for it?

And people wonder why I carry a full auto wiener dog for protection. That fat little fether can bite, let me tell you. Also snore in your ear when he falls asleep.

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 jmurph wrote:
 Gordon Shumway wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 Gordon Shumway wrote:
And he is still using "the media" to point out how bad "the media" is. The hypocrisy is amazing. Hey, Whem, point out how badly "the media" was indebted to Obama without quoting a media source.

Now you're being dense and playing the gotcha game.



No, I'm not. If your basic premise is "we can't trust the media because the media is in the tank for the other guy", you cannot turn around and use the media as an example for any point you are trying to make. If we take your premise at any value, we have to disregard any point you attempt to make when you use "the media" as an example of it. It isn't a gotch, just a recognition of how rediculous attempting to paint "the media" with a broad brush really is. Don't like the media? Fine. Quit using it to bolster any of your arguments. Can't? Fine, quit using it as a scapegoat for stupitidy.




Your position only works if you are intellectually honest and care for consistency. If you are an opportunist, why not use something for your benefit and decry that same system if it benefits you to do so? Especially if you have supporters whom are not bothered by such tactics?


And that pretty much sums it up.

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Reagan was not aNazi. Obama was not a communist.

Dick Spencer is a Nazi. A dirty filthy, punch-worthy Nazi.

We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".

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lonestarr777 wrote:
You call yourself a skinhead and spread your hate? You deserve it.

You joke about how once Obamas out office he deserves to be strung up? You deserve it.

You hold up a sign calling for women on a march to be raped? You deserve it.

This ain't fething rocket science on who earns some missin teeth. I'm sorry my violence offends your sensitive senseibilities but cry me a fething river. Some folks deserve to hav their teeth rattled.


My sensitive sensibilities? That's an odd name for the rule of law and the protection of free thinking. If you feel the need to beat somebody's face in because they hold up a sign you don't like or make a comment you don't agree with you're a bigger threat than they are. There's no cause for handing out beatdowns for people mouthing off in ways that you don't like. If you really want to start fights with strangers over bullgak statement you're the one that's thin skinned.

You can't beat ideas with violence. If somebody is espousing an idea you don't like then you shouldn't listen to it. If you don't want the "wrong" ideas to catch on then educate your kids/friends/coworkers/etc to know better. You know who tried to squash a "bad" idea with violence? People opposed to desegregation. How'd that turn out? They beat, blasted with fire hoses, sicced dogs on and killed way too many people for getting the "wrong" uppity idea and their side lost. What happened to the thousand year Reich? Where's the USSR that Stalin put together now? You can't suppress ideas with violence you can only make them outmoded and ignorant through widespread education and social progress.

Plus picking fights with strangers is just stupid. You don't know that person, what the person is capable of, if they're armed, etc. and committing assault is going to get you in a lot of legal trouble regardless of the opinions expressed by the person you attacked. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.

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 Gordon Shumway wrote:
 jmurph wrote:
 Gordon Shumway wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 Gordon Shumway wrote:
And he is still using "the media" to point out how bad "the media" is. The hypocrisy is amazing. Hey, Whem, point out how badly "the media" was indebted to Obama without quoting a media source.

Now you're being dense and playing the gotcha game.



No, I'm not. If your basic premise is "we can't trust the media because the media is in the tank for the other guy", you cannot turn around and use the media as an example for any point you are trying to make. If we take your premise at any value, we have to disregard any point you attempt to make when you use "the media" as an example of it. It isn't a gotch, just a recognition of how rediculous attempting to paint "the media" with a broad brush really is. Don't like the media? Fine. Quit using it to bolster any of your arguments. Can't? Fine, quit using it as a scapegoat for stupitidy.




Your position only works if you are intellectually honest and care for consistency. If you are an opportunist, why not use something for your benefit and decry that same system if it benefits you to do so? Especially if you have supporters whom are not bothered by such tactics?


And that pretty much sums it up.

So interesting that you'll just skip by the citations I've posted. You know... actual media industry peeps admitting outright their liberal bias and their soft treatment of the Obama administration....






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 Peregrine wrote:


Prestor Jon wrote:
Are there people in the US organizing legalized mass executions that require our violent opposition?


If we get to that point then it is far too late. You punch/kill/whatever it takes Nazis so that we don't have mass executions, you don't wait until the Nazis have started to carry out their promises of genocide.


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Prestor Jon wrote:
Who determines what constitutes Nazi, bigoted or sexists behavior?


I think "advocating genocide for the sake of racial purity" is a pretty good indicator that one is a Nazi, and a test the recipient of a well-deserved "alternative hug" passes.


Talking smack isn't a reasonable justification for attacking people and hurting or killing them. The idea that we have to preemptively kill people before they do something wrong is faulty logic as well as the antithesis of our concept of justice. You're innocent until proven guilty. If you haven't committed a crime yet then you aren't guilty of doing anything wrong so there's no justification for taking any action against you. It's not step 1 is posting bullgak online and immediately leads to step 2 genocidal murder camps. There are plenty of steps in between that provide ample time and opportunity to prevent any actual genocide or other crimes and injustices from happening without destroying free speech or assaulting people over "wrong" opinions.

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 whembly wrote:

You know... actual media industry peeps admitting outright their liberal bias and their soft treatment of the Obama administration....


Media chase clicks. There wasn't a lot of "bad Obama" stories by mainstream media because they don't generate that many clicks among mainstream consumers. Most people think Obama's a decent guy who did his best with what he had. That's probably the truth.

Trump is a click hungry media's wet dream. everyday, it's a whole new host of what-the-actual-fethery to click on.


We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".

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 whembly wrote:
 Gordon Shumway wrote:
 jmurph wrote:
 Gordon Shumway wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 Gordon Shumway wrote:
And he is still using "the media" to point out how bad "the media" is. The hypocrisy is amazing. Hey, Whem, point out how badly "the media" was indebted to Obama without quoting a media source.

Now you're being dense and playing the gotcha game.



No, I'm not. If your basic premise is "we can't trust the media because the media is in the tank for the other guy", you cannot turn around and use the media as an example for any point you are trying to make. If we take your premise at any value, we have to disregard any point you attempt to make when you use "the media" as an example of it. It isn't a gotch, just a recognition of how rediculous attempting to paint "the media" with a broad brush really is. Don't like the media? Fine. Quit using it to bolster any of your arguments. Can't? Fine, quit using it as a scapegoat for stupitidy.




Your position only works if you are intellectually honest and care for consistency. If you are an opportunist, why not use something for your benefit and decry that same system if it benefits you to do so? Especially if you have supporters whom are not bothered by such tactics?


And that pretty much sums it up.

So interesting that you'll just skip by the citations I've posted. You know... actual media industry peeps admitting outright their liberal bias and their soft treatment of the Obama administration....







But how in the world can I trust them as sources? They are the media. The media can't be trusted to not be trusted when they say they can't be trusted. Your argument has no merit because you used the media as a source.
See the problem with blaming "the media" yet?

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 Peregrine wrote:
I'm talking about before Hitler got into power. If you got sent back in time to the 1930s would you support killing Hitler before he can commit genocide, or would you talk about how Hitler has a right to freedom of speech and we can't commit violence just because he has an opinion we don't like?

(The correct answer is you kill Hitler.)


Yeah, but you don't have the precognitive ability predict who will actually follow up on any rhetoric. You don't kill for an opinion, no matter how much you dislike it. Killing shouldn't be a course of action in the first place, but if it must, it should at least be because something is done, not on a "maybe".

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 Just Tony wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
I'm talking about before Hitler got into power. If you got sent back in time to the 1930s would you support killing Hitler before he can commit genocide, or would you talk about how Hitler has a right to freedom of speech and we can't commit violence just because he has an opinion we don't like?

(The correct answer is you kill Hitler.)


Yeah, but you don't have the precognitive ability predict who will actually follow up on any rhetoric. You don't kill for an opinion, no matter how much you dislike it. Killing shouldn't be a course of action in the first place, but if it must, it should at least be because something is done, not on a "maybe".


So down with the Bush doctrine?

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 feeder wrote:
 whembly wrote:

You know... actual media industry peeps admitting outright their liberal bias and their soft treatment of the Obama administration....


Media chase clicks. There wasn't a lot of "bad Obama" stories by mainstream media because they don't generate that many clicks among mainstream consumers. Most people think Obama's a decent guy who did his best with what he had. That's probably the truth.

Trump is a click hungry media's wet dream. everyday, it's a whole new host of what-the-actual-fethery to click on.

this is probably the most accurate way of putting it. Even when Obama had a foot-in-mouth issue, he generally did very well at attempting to rectify it quickly, such as the thing with HL Gates and Crowley, where he invited them both over for beer after making an ass of himself and smoothed the whole thing over and the controversy died quickly.

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Frazzled wrote:
lonestarr777 wrote:
You call yourself a skinhead and spread your hate? You deserve it.

You joke about how once Obamas out office he deserves to be strung up? You deserve it.

You hold up a sign calling for women on a march to be raped? You deserve it.

This ain't fething rocket science on who earns some missin teeth. I'm sorry my violence offends your sensitive senseibilities but cry me a fething river. Some folks deserve to hav their teeth rattled.


So if they shoot you in the face in self defense, who deserved it?

Reagan was called a Nazi. Did he deserve to be shot? How about those calling for it?
Inversely, Obama was called a Communist. Should he have been shot? How about those calling for it?

And people wonder why I carry a full auto wiener dog for protection. That fat little fether can bite, let me tell you. Also snore in your ear when he falls asleep.


Frazzled, of all people I would never expect you to defend a god damn Nazi. You, Mr. Anti-Politically correct, Mr. Kill everyone from California cause California. I bet your tune would change in a damn heartbeat if anyone was saying this nasty gak to your family or anyone you hold dear. I want you to know the reason I don't have you on ignore is because you can be a good person, it shines through and even if you say something that makes my blood boil I know that inside you're an alright guy who just makes me sigh and slap my forehead on occasion.

I ain't gonna stand here and say that you aren't allowed to think people deserve to be dreadsocked. I ain't that much of a hypocrite. But some folks more than others deserve a black eye for being a twit.


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lonestarr777 wrote:
You call yourself a skinhead and spread your hate? You deserve it.

You joke about how once Obamas out office he deserves to be strung up? You deserve it.

You hold up a sign calling for women on a march to be raped? You deserve it.

This ain't fething rocket science on who earns some missin teeth. I'm sorry my violence offends your sensitive senseibilities but cry me a fething river. Some folks deserve to hav their teeth rattled.


My sensitive sensibilities? That's an odd name for the rule of law and the protection of free thinking. If you feel the need to beat somebody's face in because they hold up a sign you don't like or make a comment you don't agree with you're a bigger threat than they are. There's no cause for handing out beatdowns for people mouthing off in ways that you don't like. If you really want to start fights with strangers over bullgak statement you're the one that's thin skinned.

You can't beat ideas with violence. If somebody is espousing an idea you don't like then you shouldn't listen to it. If you don't want the "wrong" ideas to catch on then educate your kids/friends/coworkers/etc to know better. You know who tried to squash a "bad" idea with violence? People opposed to desegregation. How'd that turn out? They beat, blasted with fire hoses, sicced dogs on and killed way too many people for getting the "wrong" uppity idea and their side lost. What happened to the thousand year Reich? Where's the USSR that Stalin put together now? You can't suppress ideas with violence you can only make them outmoded and ignorant through widespread education and social progress.

Plus picking fights with strangers is just stupid. You don't know that person, what the person is capable of, if they're armed, etc. and committing assault is going to get you in a lot of legal trouble regardless of the opinions expressed by the person you attacked. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.


I'm so fething tired, I think I'm the only Dakka poster here who's blue collar... I have to keep my mouth shut or I'll get fired at my job. I have to pretend I'm a racist. That I think Hilary should have been raped in an alley, actual conversation I got dragged into... That everyone on government assistance is subhuman, when my family and I have had to make use of those programs. And I know, there ain't no way in hell to reach these people, to even make them reconsider some of this, you can't reach everyone, you can't fething save everyone from themselves... but by fething god I will smile and thank someone who can stand up and make them think for a minute they done fethed up.

So go ahead, think less of me all you want... but I know first hand... you are never gonna fething reach these people and make them see the light.
   
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It wouldn't surprise me if there are relatively few 'blue collar' workers on Dakka. Collecting toy soldiers would I imagine very much be a white-collar / 'middle class' (sorry, I'm British, we don't really do the whole -worker thing here) thing.

For example, I would imagine the (stereo)typical blue collar workers, who do earn more money than the standard white collar person may not tend to think, "oh you know what, I'm earning a bunch of money, lets go spend it on piles of plastic I'll never paint." Lets face it, it's a rare breed in general that'd think that's a good idea...
   
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Well in the US, class systems are not so cut and dry. Within a state middle class can fluctuate wildly from city to city and county to county. Where I live the middle income starts at 180k (not me lol) and the city next door upper class starts at 30k.

 
   
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 Compel wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me if there are relatively few 'blue collar' workers on Dakka. Collecting toy soldiers would I imagine very much be a white-collar / 'middle class' (sorry, I'm British, we don't really do the whole -worker thing here) thing.

For example, I would imagine the (stereo)typical blue collar workers, who do earn more money than the standard white collar person may not tend to think, "oh you know what, I'm earning a bunch of money, lets go spend it on piles of plastic I'll never paint." Lets face it, it's a rare breed in general that'd think that's a good idea...


I imagine there's a few people around who have only worked blue collar jobs, maybe played table top games in the past when they were cheaper, can no longer afford to play them, but are still around Dakka because they wish they could...

*whistles quietly in corner*


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 BrotherGecko wrote:
Well in the US, class systems are not so cut and dry. Within a state middle class can fluctuate wildly from city to city and county to county. Where I live the middle income starts at 180k (not me lol) and the city next door upper class starts at 30k.


I think that has less to do with middle class fluctuating and more to do with "Middle Class" being an idealized state in American culture. People who are not middle class will convince themselves they are, even when pulling in dirt, or gold. I've me a doctor who identified as middle class (and oh man, do you know how expensive a Mercedes is? He could barely afford it), and I've met people living on welfare/food stamps who identified as Middle Class.

It comes down to a question of how we define what the "Middle Class" is. Is it an income or wealth bracket, a certain state of financial security, a cultural outlook, or a combo of things? Either way, the "Middle Class" is outside of academics likely a worthless identifier because it already is basically whatever someone wants it to be.

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