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OgreChubbs wrote: Also I am grossly against late term abortion which the deems seem to be pro killing babies.... Kinda bothers me. I could never vote for anything that hurts babies so I could never vote for them.
I would expect lack of healthcare to hurt babies way more than abortions, as the former let them be sick when available treatment could save them, and the former doesn't concern babies but fetuses…
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: As a student of American history, you appreciate the wider historical trends and how much the nation has changed over the years.
So the USA of old, strong and confident in its values, wouldn't have worried about a few immigrants or refugees attacking its values, they would have welcomed these immigrants in with open arms.
Trump's decision, to place bans on 7 countries, could actually be seen as a crisis in the USA, and of course the Western World.
Is the USA really that lacking in confidence that they're scared of a few immigrants?
And of course, the hysterical over-reaction from the other side leads me to conclude that both sides are as bad as each other...
And we've got 4 more years of this...
In American history there have been bans on Irish, Catholics, Eastern Europeans, Chinese, and of course the terror filled wastes of Leichtenstein.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: As a student of American history, you appreciate the wider historical trends and how much the nation has changed over the years.
So the USA of old, strong and confident in its values, wouldn't have worried about a few immigrants or refugees attacking its values, they would have welcomed these immigrants in with open arms.
Trump's decision, to place bans on 7 countries, could actually be seen as a crisis in the USA, and of course the Western World.
Is the USA really that lacking in confidence that they're scared of a few immigrants?
And of course, the hysterical over-reaction from the other side leads me to conclude that both sides are as bad as each other...
And we've got 4 more years of this...
In American history there have been bans on Irish, Catholics, Eastern Europeans, Chinese, and of course the terror filled wastes of Leichtenstein.
In the old days, yes, but in modern times, when it was a beacon of the free world, Americans wouldn't have worried themselves about a few hundred refugees.
It goes against every American value, not to mention its own history.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
It may take a little bit, but I'm sure that FOIA laws require that research with public funding is public. So that should make it through the courts before too long if it sticks.
That's not going to help much if there's no research being done in the first place. He's gagging them and suppressing existing research in the short term, but in the long term the guy from Trump's transition team who had responsibility for the EPA says Trump intends to drastically cut the department, with a focus on getting rid of researchers and defunding climate research.
From his picks for cabinet members who have stakes in fossil fuels, and negative views on the EPA and even trump himself with the Dakota pipeline. I am sure that had nothing to do with those decisions.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: As a student of American history, you appreciate the wider historical trends and how much the nation has changed over the years.
So the USA of old, strong and confident in its values, wouldn't have worried about a few immigrants or refugees attacking its values, they would have welcomed these immigrants in with open arms.
Trump's decision, to place bans on 7 countries, could actually be seen as a crisis in the USA, and of course the Western World.
Is the USA really that lacking in confidence that they're scared of a few immigrants?
And of course, the hysterical over-reaction from the other side leads me to conclude that both sides are as bad as each other...
And we've got 4 more years of this...
In American history there have been bans on Irish, Catholics, Eastern Europeans, Chinese, and of course the terror filled wastes of Leichtenstein.
In the old days, yes, but in modern times, when it was a beacon of the free world, Americans wouldn't have worried themselves about a few hundred refugees.
It goes against every American value, not to mention its own history.
I just pointed out it very much fits its own history. Further the 120 day ban is in line with the Obama ban on Iraq. WE have no duty to take anyone from anywhere. Frankly, I'd reserve legal immigration slots to Latin America which is far more relevant then say the UK.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I am wondering if the media is feeling most if not all the hate. Them declaring a Muslim ban when it is a whole ban across the whole country just fuels ignorance and hate of the goverment. A lot of what the media does now a days is just click bait it seems.
I just think a lot of the current......... movements is just ignorance brought on by a few not the smartest people falling for click bait.
I need to go to work every day.
Millions of people on welfare depend on me.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: As a student of American history, you appreciate the wider historical trends and how much the nation has changed over the years.
So the USA of old, strong and confident in its values, wouldn't have worried about a few immigrants or refugees attacking its values, they would have welcomed these immigrants in with open arms.
Trump's decision, to place bans on 7 countries, could actually be seen as a crisis in the USA, and of course the Western World.
Is the USA really that lacking in confidence that they're scared of a few immigrants?
And of course, the hysterical over-reaction from the other side leads me to conclude that both sides are as bad as each other...
And we've got 4 more years of this...
In American history there have been bans on Irish, Catholics, Eastern Europeans, Chinese, and of course the terror filled wastes of Leichtenstein.
In the old days, yes, but in modern times, when it was a beacon of the free world, Americans wouldn't have worried themselves about a few hundred refugees.
It goes against every American value, not to mention its own history.
I just pointed out it very much fits its own history. Further the 120 day ban is in line with the Obama ban on Iraq. WE have no duty to take anyone from anywhere. Frankly, I'd reserve legal immigration slots to Latin America which is far more relevant then say the UK.
Yeah, let's not pretend the history of the US is all love and acceptance. This is a country that kept institutional slavery long past most of the rest of the civilized world, obliterated native populations, segregated it's own population, and interned its own people based on race. Heck, women weren't even allowed to vote. The wealthy have long used differences to keep the working classes from being effectively mobilized. Ignorance, cruelty and discrimination have long had political power in this nation. It is only relatively recently that some measure of equality has been achieved, and not without vocal, and often violent, resistance.
OgreChubbs wrote: I am wondering if the media is feeling most if not all the hate. Them declaring a Muslim ban when it is a whole ban across the whole country just fuels ignorance and hate of the goverment. A lot of what the media does now a days is just click bait it seems.
I just think a lot of the current......... movements is just ignorance brought on by a few not the smartest people falling for click bait.
Some would say the same of how Trump got elected along with "Alternative Facts"
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Here's a fun little thought for the xenophobic Chicken Littles to digest. The late Steve Jobs, Apple Inc.’s co-founder, is the biological son of an muslim immigrant from Syria, one of the seven mostly Muslim countries targeted by the administration.
That's right. The world's largest publicly held corporation, by maket cap, is Apple. It is a cutting-edge, world leading US business, co-founded by the biological son of a Syrian muslim immigrant. Think about that when donkey-cave-in-chief peddles his Islamaphobia bs, blanket banning whole countries of people seeking a life free of oppression and potentially burying the next Steve Jobs from happening.
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BigWaaagh wrote: Here's a fun little thought for the xenophobic Chicken Littles to digest. The late Steve Jobs, Apple Inc.’s co-founder, is the biological son of an muslim immigrant from Syria, one of the seven mostly Muslim countries targeted by the administration.
That's right. The world's largest publicly held corporation, by maket cap, is Apple. It is a cutting-edge, world leading US business, co-founded by the biological son of a Syrian muslim immigrant. Think about that when donkey-cave-in-chief peddles his Islamaphobia bs, blanket banning whole countries of people seeking a life free of oppression and potentially burying the next Steve Jobs from happening.
Google's co-founder Sergey Brin is also an immigrant to the US.
Was Syria multiyears into a an ethnic civil war between the dictatorship, reactionary Islamist revolutionary groups, and ISIL at the time?
Were multiple groups calling for attacks within the US at the time?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
BigWaaagh wrote: Here's a fun little thought for the xenophobic Chicken Littles to digest. The late Steve Jobs, Apple Inc.’s co-founder, is the biological son of an muslim immigrant from Syria, one of the seven mostly Muslim countries targeted by the administration.
That's right. The world's largest publicly held corporation, by maket cap, is Apple. It is a cutting-edge, world leading US business, co-founded by the biological son of a Syrian muslim immigrant. Think about that when donkey-cave-in-chief peddles his Islamaphobia bs, blanket banning whole countries of people seeking a life free of oppression and potentially burying the next Steve Jobs from happening.
Google's co-founder Sergey Brin is also an immigrant to the US.
Actually, over half of the top 20 U.S. tech companies were founded or are currently led by someone who came from another country. But, you know, let's build a wall...both physical and implied...and all that.
A U.S. commando died and three others were wounded carrying out a deadly dawn raid on the al Qaeda militant group in southern Yemen on Sunday, in the first military operation authorized by President Donald Trump.
The U.S. military said it killed 14 militants in a raid on a powerful al Qaeda branch that has been a frequent target of U.S. drone strikes. Medics at the scene, however, said around 30 people, including 10 women and children, were killed.
Two more U.S. servicemen were injured when an American military aircraft was sent to evacuate the wounded commandos but came under fire and had to be "intentionally destroyed in place," the Pentagon said.
The new U.S. president called the operation a success and said intelligence gathered during the operation would help the United States fight terrorism.
"Americans are saddened this morning with news that a life of a heroic service member has been taken in our fight against the evil of radical Islamic terrorism," Trump said in a statement.
The gunbattle in the rural Yakla district of al-Bayda province killed a senior leader in Yemen's al Qaeda branch, Abdulraoof al-Dhahab, along with other militants, al Qaeda said.
Eight-year-old Anwar al-Awlaki, the daughter of U.S.-born Yemeni preacher and al Qaeda ideologue Anwar al-Awlaki, was among the children killed in the raid, according to her grandfather. Her father was killed in a U.S. drone strike in 2011.
"She was hit with a bullet in her neck and suffered for two hours," Nasser al-Awlaki told Reuters. "Why kill children? This is the new (U.S.) administration - it's very sad, a big crime."
In a statement, the Pentagon did not refer to any civilian casualties, although a U.S. military official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said they could not be ruled out.
The Defence Department said the raid netted "information that will likely provide insight into the planning of future terror plots."
The American elite forces did not seize any militants or take any prisoners offsite, the official said, adding that the group had come under fire.
The Pentagon did not say how the team's one death occurred, and the U.S. military official declined to give details on the fatality.
The operation's goal was to gather intelligence on al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, which is regarded as one of the global militant group's most dangerous branches, the official said.
DAWN ATTACK
"The operation began at dawn when a drone bombed the home of Abdulraoof al-Dhahab and then helicopters flew up and unloaded paratroopers at his house and killed everyone inside," said one resident, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
"Next, the gunmen opened fire at the U.S. soldiers who left the area, and the helicopters bombed the gunmen and a number of homes and led to a large number of casualties."
A Yemeni security officer and a local official corroborated that account. Fahd, a local resident who asked that only his first name be used, said several bodies remained under debris and that houses and the local mosque were damaged in the attack.
In a message on its official Telegram messaging account, al Qaeda mourned al-Dhahab as a "holy warrior" and other slain militants, without specifying how many of its fighters were killed.
American forces have not conducted any special operations in Yemen since December 2014, months before nearly two years of civil war rendered the country even more dangerous and offered al Qaeda leeway to expand into more lawless areas.
The United States conducted dozens of drone strikes in Yemen throughout Barack Obama's presidency to combat al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, regarded as one of the global militant group's most dangerous branches.
The local al Qaeda unit organised the Charlie Hebdo magazine attack in Paris in 2015 and has repeatedly tried to down U.S. airliners.
(Additional reporting by Mohammed El Sherif in Cairo; Writing By Noah Browning and Lesley Wroughton; Editing by Susan Fenton and Jonathan Oatis)
nasty business all around.
Two more U.S. servicemen were injured when an American military aircraft was sent to evacuate the wounded commandos but came under fire and had to be "intentionally destroyed in place," the Pentagon said
..this is a bit like when they had to blow up the 'copter during the Bin Laden raid right ?
or am I getting totally wrong end of the stick here ?
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Frazzled wrote: Was Syria multiyears into a an ethnic civil war between the dictatorship, reactionary Islamist revolutionary groups, and ISIL at the time?
Were multiple groups calling for attacks within the US at the time?
Were we at the whim of a petulant man-child? Were we a country that looked forward and not backwards? Were we a country that remembered the sage advice that "All we have to fear is, fear itself."?
A U.S. commando died and three others were wounded carrying out a deadly dawn raid on the al Qaeda militant group in southern Yemen on Sunday, in the first military operation authorized by President Donald Trump.
The U.S. military said it killed 14 militants in a raid on a powerful al Qaeda branch that has been a frequent target of U.S. drone strikes. Medics at the scene, however, said around 30 people, including 10 women and children, were killed.
Two more U.S. servicemen were injured when an American military aircraft was sent to evacuate the wounded commandos but came under fire and had to be "intentionally destroyed in place," the Pentagon said.
The new U.S. president called the operation a success and said intelligence gathered during the operation would help the United States fight terrorism.
"Americans are saddened this morning with news that a life of a heroic service member has been taken in our fight against the evil of radical Islamic terrorism," Trump said in a statement.
The gunbattle in the rural Yakla district of al-Bayda province killed a senior leader in Yemen's al Qaeda branch, Abdulraoof al-Dhahab, along with other militants, al Qaeda said.
Eight-year-old Anwar al-Awlaki, the daughter of U.S.-born Yemeni preacher and al Qaeda ideologue Anwar al-Awlaki, was among the children killed in the raid, according to her grandfather. Her father was killed in a U.S. drone strike in 2011.
"She was hit with a bullet in her neck and suffered for two hours," Nasser al-Awlaki told Reuters. "Why kill children? This is the new (U.S.) administration - it's very sad, a big crime."
In a statement, the Pentagon did not refer to any civilian casualties, although a U.S. military official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said they could not be ruled out.
The Defence Department said the raid netted "information that will likely provide insight into the planning of future terror plots."
The American elite forces did not seize any militants or take any prisoners offsite, the official said, adding that the group had come under fire.
The Pentagon did not say how the team's one death occurred, and the U.S. military official declined to give details on the fatality.
The operation's goal was to gather intelligence on al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, which is regarded as one of the global militant group's most dangerous branches, the official said.
DAWN ATTACK
"The operation began at dawn when a drone bombed the home of Abdulraoof al-Dhahab and then helicopters flew up and unloaded paratroopers at his house and killed everyone inside," said one resident, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
"Next, the gunmen opened fire at the U.S. soldiers who left the area, and the helicopters bombed the gunmen and a number of homes and led to a large number of casualties."
A Yemeni security officer and a local official corroborated that account. Fahd, a local resident who asked that only his first name be used, said several bodies remained under debris and that houses and the local mosque were damaged in the attack.
In a message on its official Telegram messaging account, al Qaeda mourned al-Dhahab as a "holy warrior" and other slain militants, without specifying how many of its fighters were killed.
American forces have not conducted any special operations in Yemen since December 2014, months before nearly two years of civil war rendered the country even more dangerous and offered al Qaeda leeway to expand into more lawless areas.
The United States conducted dozens of drone strikes in Yemen throughout Barack Obama's presidency to combat al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, regarded as one of the global militant group's most dangerous branches.
The local al Qaeda unit organised the Charlie Hebdo magazine attack in Paris in 2015 and has repeatedly tried to down U.S. airliners.
(Additional reporting by Mohammed El Sherif in Cairo; Writing By Noah Browning and Lesley Wroughton; Editing by Susan Fenton and Jonathan Oatis)
nasty business all around.
Two more U.S. servicemen were injured when an American military aircraft was sent to evacuate the wounded commandos but came under fire and had to be "intentionally destroyed in place," the Pentagon said
..this is a bit like when they had to blow up the 'copter during the Bin Laden raid right ?
or am I getting totally wrong end of the stick here ?
This is all circular and now more will join up to the extremist cause.
Frazzled wrote: Was Syria multiyears into a an ethnic civil war between the dictatorship, reactionary Islamist revolutionary groups, and ISIL at the time?
Were multiple groups calling for attacks within the US at the time?
Were we at the whim of a petulant man-child? Were we a country that looked forward and not backwards? Were we a country that remembered the sage advice that "All we have to fear is, fear itself."?
Of course FDR wasn't facing the business end of a Japanese bayonet, nor was he unemployed in the Depression. Normal people had lots to fear.
Also FDR interred the Japanese, and contemplated interring Germans and Italians but realized a very large portion of the US was made of Germans and Italians.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: Was Syria multiyears into a an ethnic civil war between the dictatorship, reactionary Islamist revolutionary groups, and ISIL at the time?
Were multiple groups calling for attacks within the US at the time?
Were we at the whim of a petulant man-child? Were we a country that looked forward and not backwards? Were we a country that remembered the sage advice that "All we have to fear is, fear itself."?
Of course FDR wasn't facing the business end of a Japanese bayonet, nor was he unemployed in the Depression. Normal people had lots to fear.
Also FDR interred the Japanese, and contemplated interring Germans and Italians but realized a very large portion of the US was made of Germans and Italians.
Pointing out a black stain on American history, Japanese-American internment, makes the shame of this administration's action all the more repugnant. The idea is to learn a lesson from history, not sink back into it's deepest recesses.
Fair point - modern Leftism is anything but liberal, and modern Conservatism is anything but conservative. We are long due with updates in terminology. I think the terms "Neo-Marxists" and "Evangelical Theocrats" would fit pretty well, respectively.
Fair point - modern Leftism is anything but liberal, and modern Conservatism is anything but conservative. We are long due with updates in terminology. I think the terms "Neo-Marxists" and "Evangelical Theocrats" would fit pretty well, respectively.
So wait, the Democrats are Neo-marxists?
How did you get to that conclusion?
I think marxism is a wee bit of a stretch...
They're more statistthan anything... be sure to bow before the altar of Big Government™ on the way out.
Eight-year-old Anwar al-Awlaki, the daughter of U.S.-born Yemeni preacher and al Qaeda ideologue Anwar al-Awlaki, was among the children killed in the raid, according to her grandfather. Her father was killed in a U.S. drone strike in 2011.
Eight-year-old Anwar al-Awlaki, the daughter of U.S.-born Yemeni preacher and al Qaeda ideologue Anwar al-Awlaki, was among the children killed in the raid, according to her grandfather. Her father was killed in a U.S. drone strike in 2011.
Frazzled wrote: Was Syria multiyears into a an ethnic civil war between the dictatorship, reactionary Islamist revolutionary groups, and ISIL at the time?
Were multiple groups calling for attacks within the US at the time?
Were we at the whim of a petulant man-child? Were we a country that looked forward and not backwards? Were we a country that remembered the sage advice that "All we have to fear is, fear itself."?
Of course FDR wasn't facing the business end of a Japanese bayonet, nor was he unemployed in the Depression. Normal people had lots to fear.
Also FDR interred the Japanese, and contemplated interring Germans and Italians but realized a very large portion of the US was made of Germans and Italians.
Thats not the US's deepeest recesses, not hardly.
-Look up pictures at the turn of the century of public luynchings. Hundreds of people are there are look at the locations, all over the US.
-Jim Crow
-Slavery
-Hey where'd all the Iroquois go? Must be hanging with the Kiowa and Comanche in Kansas...
Pointing out a black stain on American history, Japanese-American internment, makes the shame of this administration's action all the more repugnant. The idea is to learn a lesson from history, not sink back into it's deepest recesses.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: Was Syria multiyears into a an ethnic civil war between the dictatorship, reactionary Islamist revolutionary groups, and ISIL at the time?
Were multiple groups calling for attacks within the US at the time?
Were we at the whim of a petulant man-child? Were we a country that looked forward and not backwards? Were we a country that remembered the sage advice that "All we have to fear is, fear itself."?
Of course FDR wasn't facing the business end of a Japanese bayonet, nor was he unemployed in the Depression. Normal people had lots to fear.
Also FDR interred the Japanese, and contemplated interring Germans and Italians but realized a very large portion of the US was made of Germans and Italians.
Thats not the US's deepeest recesses, not hardly.
-Look up pictures at the turn of the century of public luynchings. Hundreds of people are there are look at the locations, all over the US.
-Jim Crow
-Slavery
-Hey where'd all the Iroquois go? Must be hanging with the Kiowa and Comanche in Kansas...
Pointing out a black stain on American history, Japanese-American internment, makes the shame of this administration's action all the more repugnant. The idea is to learn a lesson from history, not sink back into it's deepest recesses.
Never said it was the deepest. We've got as much dirty laundry as the next nation, I just don't think we need to be hanging any more.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: As a student of American history, you appreciate the wider historical trends and how much the nation has changed over the years.
So the USA of old, strong and confident in its values, wouldn't have worried about a few immigrants or refugees attacking its values, they would have welcomed these immigrants in with open arms.
Trump's decision, to place bans on 7 countries, could actually be seen as a crisis in the USA, and of course the Western World.
Is the USA really that lacking in confidence that they're scared of a few immigrants?
And of course, the hysterical over-reaction from the other side leads me to conclude that both sides are as bad as each other...
And we've got 4 more years of this...
In American history there have been bans on Irish, Catholics, Eastern Europeans, Chinese, and of course the terror filled wastes of Leichtenstein.
In the old days, yes, but in modern times, when it was a beacon of the free world, Americans wouldn't have worried themselves about a few hundred refugees.
It goes against every American value, not to mention its own history.
No, not just back in the "old days." We had immigration quotas and bans decades after we had the Statue of Liberty in 1886 and after we added the New Colossus poem in 1903. And we were still have caps and limits on immigration and visas to this day that were last adjusted in the 1990s. Immigration quotas, limits and bans aren't un-American because they've been in action throughout American history. Now that doesn't mean that this current EO by Trump is good policy or necessary but it's certainly not unprecedented or unAmericcan.
d-usa wrote: So Obama killed a US-born citizen, his son, and now Trump killed his 8 year old daughter.
Both sides are bad
Yes, they are. Bad in different ways on different issues mostly but there's also plenty of common ground where they're equally bad. Both parties are very good at ignoring the constitution and pesky things like Due Process, when it gets in their way.
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