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OgreChubbs wrote: Ah yes a typical college raction from kids. I disagree with you and do not have a valid reason so I break stuff. My 3 year old use to do that aswell.
If this behavior is typical, and if I should expect adult college students to act like 3 year olds, maybe I need to move even deeper into the woods.
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Yeah, the source who posted the video ito youtube is certainly biased. It's just the video that popped up during a search that wasn't just a CNN report with theAnderson Cooper (which it ultimately turned into anyways)
In any case look past the title. I think the images speak for themselves.
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BigWaaagh wrote: Just in case there was any inkling left as to what an economy-size donkey-cave Trump is. I mean, really!? Who the feth gets "hostile" towards Australia?
People actually voted for, actively chose and desired, this guy for President of the United States, and think this is how responsible and effective government should be run...way to step up to the job bub, get in a stupid phone-rant and twitter fight with one of America's closest allies over a intentionally misconstrued and almost irrelevant number of refugees to score brownie points in the echo chamber...
There are no words.
Would love to be the fly on the wall during that conversation...
Regarding Drumpf's 'invade mexico' ordeal:
Aclaración de la #SRE a nota @DoliaEstevez @AristeguiOnline @ProyectoPuente pic.twitter.com/f1EhtFTqYd
— SRE México (@SRE_mx) February 1, 2017
Mexico's State Department says that .@potus did not threaten to send US military to Mexico during call with @epn, despite news reports https://t.co/rs3jbbyrdp
— Salvador Hernandez (@SalHernandez) February 1, 2017
CNN: @POTUS said: "You have some pretty tough hombres in Mexico that you may need help with. We are willing to help with that big-league"
— Rodrigo (@RodrigoEBR) February 2, 2017
So, according to @CNN, @AP and @DoliaEstevez were quoting a readout. @CNN is reporting the actual transcript
jasper76 wrote: In case anyone is interested in a visual of what we've been discussing:
Oh dear, its a case of lets smash everything to fix what we see as wrong! I bet in years to come they will feel ashamed of their actions, if there is any irony perhaps some of them couldn't even be bothered to vote at the time.
Something else that's ironic...I would never even have heard of Milo Y. or become exposed to his ideas if the protesters were not so outrageous. They have become his best advertisers.
He's very good at what he does, provoking idiots to act like idiots and milking the attention.
Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
MrDwhitey wrote: He's very good at what he does, provoking idiots to act like idiots and milking the attention.
There have always been people like him floating around all sides of he political spectrum. He's a provocateur. Nothing new. He certainly does seem talented at what he does.
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jasper76 wrote: Yes, that would be one way to appropriately protest while respecting the 1st Amendment.
But alas, that's not what happened.
And I think Milo Y. attends these college events because college student groups are inviting him and paying him to do so. They have a right to free speech. They have a right to peaceful assembly.
The left should seriously stop prioritizing the elimination of free speech, which is one of the most important liberal values.
A couple things.
First, I think it's somewhat disingenuous to say that "the left" is attempting to eliminate free speech when these kinds of actions are done by a minority (rioters) within a minority (protesters) within a minority (Berkeley college students) within a minority (college students). This is also in the face of actual laws coming from Republican lawmakers in several states, and threats from Trump himself, to impose harsher punishments for peaceful protesting.
So... where's the denouncements from the usual left/liberal crowd.
In fairness, on CNN, they're very somber about it and doesn't seem to be going out of their way to spin it... as of last night, they were 'just facts ma'am' mode...
Second, the rights to free speech and peaceful assembly only apply to laws made by Congress. If private citizens, organizations, or corporations don't want to listen, then they have the right to cancel speakers as they wish. Had this been done in a more peaceful manner, then there wouldn't have been as much controversy.
MrDwhitey wrote: He's very good at what he does, provoking idiots to act like idiots and milking the attention.
There have always been people like him floating around all sides of he political spectrum. He's a provocateur. Nothing new. He certainly does seem talented at what he does.
He's a modern day Howard Stern...
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MrDwhitey wrote: He's very good at what he does, provoking idiots to act like idiots and milking the attention.
There have always been people like him floating around all sides of he political spectrum. He's a provocateur. Nothing new. He certainly does seem talented at what he does.
He also provides a useful "But there's this guy who is gay and has sex with black men who agrees with me so I can't be homophobic or racist" person for certain groups.
Looking into his actual written thoughts on homosexuality should easily dispel any notion of "cant be homophobic", at least.
Edit: It should be noted though that I don't believe he believes a lot of what he peddles. He's in it for the money and attention, so he'll say what gets him it.
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Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
jasper76 wrote: Something else that's ironic...I would never even have heard of Milo Y. or become exposed to his ideas if the protesters were not so outrageous. They have become his best advertisers.
I know, so much for peaceful protest, I don't known why they didn't just debate it out when he arrived instead of looking like anarchists. Its also bad for U.C Berkley because it will put people off wanting to go there. In any case the damage caused to the campus will have to be paid by someone, and Trump has already hinted that if free speech isn't allowed he may cut Berkley's federal funding and any other places that try the same. It is a massive P.R disaster for the Lefties and a big 'own goal' for the students at Berkley.
@MrDwhitey: Yes, I find his views on homosexuals, particularly lesbians, to be very cartoonish. And I think they're expressed more for attention than conviction.
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Second, the rights to free speech and peaceful assembly only apply to laws made by Congress. If private citizens, organizations, or corporations don't want to listen, then they have the right to cancel speakers as they wish. Had this been done in a more peaceful manner, then there wouldn't have been as much controversy.
The rights to free speech and peaceful assembly from the US Constitution is incorporated (ie, applied) to the states.
Cool. So, point out the part where it says that a public university can't cancel a speaker's presentation, or people can't protest in order to have a speaker's events cancelled.
jasper76 wrote: Yes, I find his views of homosexuals, particularly lesbians, to be very cartoonish.
Because he's a sociopath who's willing to act as a token minority in return for fame and money.
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You know, when he was just a Breitbart stooge, I rolled with the drivel that spewed from his mouth. Now that he's become a top aide and worked his way onto the National Security Council, these words of his haunt me. They should scare the gak out of everyone. Fascism 101, distract the population with a boogey man and war makes for great ratings.
Second, the rights to free speech and peaceful assembly only apply to laws made by Congress. If private citizens, organizations, or corporations don't want to listen, then they have the right to cancel speakers as they wish. Had this been done in a more peaceful manner, then there wouldn't have been as much controversy.
The rights to free speech and peaceful assembly from the US Constitution is incorporated (ie, applied) to the states.
Cool. So, point out the part where it says that a public university can't cancel a speaker's presentation, or people can't protest in order to have a speaker's events cancelled.
jasper76 wrote: Yes, that would be one way to appropriately protest while respecting the 1st Amendment.
But alas, that's not what happened.
And I think Milo Y. attends these college events because college student groups are inviting him and paying him to do so. They have a right to free speech. They have a right to peaceful assembly.
The left should seriously stop prioritizing the elimination of free speech, which is one of the most important liberal values.
I would posit that perhaps people shouldn't assume that Oakland hoodlums rolling over to Berkely shouldn't be taken as representative of "the left" as a whole, much like Milo shouldn't be taken as representative of "the right" as a whole. This is part of the problem with politics today, taking the most extreme elements and casting that as the whole of "the other side".
Lets also not forget that Milo is basically a professional troll who puts a lot of effort into generating exactly this kind of reaction, much like Michael Strickland who ran "Laughing at Liberals" did when he got himself into trouble. You put the most extreme elements of both sides in a highly polarized environment and you're going to get something awkward.
OgreChubbs wrote: Ah yes a typical college raction from kids. I disagree with you and do not have a valid reason so I break stuff. My 3 year old use to do that aswell.
Hrm, no, Milo has been to dozens of campuses with zero issue. Casting this as "typical college kids" has zero basis in reality. What this is is a typical example of what happens when you put some of the most extreme elements from both sides together in an environment practically tailor made for a confrontation.
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IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights! The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.
Because he's a sociopath who's willing to act as a token minority in return for fame and money.
Still does nothing to excuse the riots, nor the violation of the rights of the students who paid to see him to free speech and peaceful assembly.
I'm pretty much in full agreement with this in regards to the rioting. The students who paid should be refunded with an apology. The university isn't required to give him a platform however, but I would find it a scummy move had they cancelled it themselves without a riot as a reason.
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Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
Second, the rights to free speech and peaceful assembly only apply to laws made by Congress. If private citizens, organizations, or corporations don't want to listen, then they have the right to cancel speakers as they wish. Had this been done in a more peaceful manner, then there wouldn't have been as much controversy.
The rights to free speech and peaceful assembly from the US Constitution is incorporated (ie, applied) to the states.
Cool. So, point out the part where it says that a public university can't cancel a speaker's presentation, or people can't protest in order to have a speaker's events cancelled.
Second, the rights to free speech and peaceful assembly only apply to laws made by Congress
I was pointing out that isn't correct... especially since this is a PUBLIC university.
Furthermore, they can't simply cancel it because of what he's going to say... the college republicans invited Milo to the campus and even paid for extra security for this speech.
The University has to be careful here and I'm sure their justification will be because they believe it's a safety issue, not because some snowflake's fee-fees might get schlonged. But, the optics is really bad.
The danger here is that this riot is a form of a heckler's veto... and that's should be anathema to a public university.
These are the kinds of things that get Trumpesto elected.
These are the kinds of things that'll ostracize the left/liberals, alienates the moderate libs/democrats, turns off the indies and rallies everyone on the right side of the center.
Because he's a sociopath who's willing to act as a token minority in return for fame and money.
Still does nothing to excuse the riots, nor the violation of the rights of the students who paid to see him to free speech and peaceful assembly.
I'm pretty much in full agreement with this in regards to the rioting. The students who paid should be refunded with an apology. The university isn't required to give him a platform however, but I would find it a scummy move had they cancelled it themselves without a riot as a reason.
Unless I missed something, the only reason the show was cancelled was for safety due to the riots. UC Berkeley did not cancel the show for political reasons.
(I'm not suggesting you are implying otherwise, but others on the thread seem to be asserting that UC Berkeley cancelled the show because they disagreed with the speakers views, which I have seen nothing that leads me to believe this was the case. IME, the university did nothing wrong here.)
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Second, the rights to free speech and peaceful assembly only apply to laws made by Congress. If private citizens, organizations, or corporations don't want to listen, then they have the right to cancel speakers as they wish. Had this been done in a more peaceful manner, then there wouldn't have been as much controversy.
The rights to free speech and peaceful assembly from the US Constitution is incorporated (ie, applied) to the states.
Cool. So, point out the part where it says that a public university can't cancel a speaker's presentation, or people can't protest in order to have a speaker's events cancelled.
Second, the rights to free speech and peaceful assembly only apply to laws made by Congress
I was pointing out that isn't correct... especially since this is a PUBLIC university.
Furthermore, they can't simply cancel it because of what he's going to say... the college republicans invited Milo to the campus and even paid for extra security for this speech.
The University has to be careful here and I'm sure their justification will be because they believe it's a safety issue, not because some snowflake's fee-fees might get schlonged. But, the optics is really bad.
The danger here is that this riot is a form of a heckler's veto... and that's should be anathema to a public university.
These are the kinds of things that get Trumpesto elected.
These are the kinds of things that'll ostracize the left/liberals, alienates the moderate libs/democrats, turns off the indies and rallies everyone on the right side of the center.
I'm not moving the goal posts at all. I'm not even sure why I'm responding, as you seemingly haven't bothered reading anything else I've written regarding the Berkeley protest, and have instead homed in on one technical detail where I wasn't entirely correct.
In other news, it's Black History Month! Or as we'll now call it, Trump Complains About His Own Problems Month:
Cheeto Benito wrote:Well the election, it came out really well. Next time we’ll triple the number (of black votes) or quadruple it. We want to get it over 51, right. At least 51.
Well, this is Black History Month, so this is our little breakfast, our little get-together. And just a few notes. During this month, we honour the tremendous history of the African-Americans throughout our country. Throughout the world, if you really think about it, right. And their story is one of unimaginable sacrifice, hard work, and faith in America. I’ve gotten a real glimpse during the campaign; I’d go around with Ben to a lot of places that I wasn’t so familiar with. They’re incredible people. And I want to thank Ben Carson, who’s going to be heading up HUD (Housing and Urban Development), and it’s a big job, and it’s a job that’s not only housing, it’s mind and spirit, right? And you understand that. Nobody’s going to be better than Ben.
Last month we celebrated the life of Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. whose incredible example is unique in American history. You read all about Dr. Martin Luther King a week ago when somebody said I took the statue out of my office. And it turned out that that was fake news. The statue is cherished. It’s one of the favourite things — and we have some good ones. We have Lincoln, and we have Jefferson, and we have Dr. Martin Luther King. And we have other. But they said the statue, the bust, of Dr. Martin Luther King was taken out of the office. And it was never even touched. So I think it was a disgrace, but that’s the way the press is. It’s very unfortunate.
I am very proud now that we have a museum, National Mall, where people can learn about Reverend King, so many other things, Frederick Doug — Douglass is an example of somebody who’s done an amazing job that is being recognized more and more, I notice. Harriet Tubman, Rosa Parks, and millions more black Americans who made America what it is today. Big impact. I’m proud to honour this heritage and will be honouring it more and more.
Folks at the table, in almost all cases, have been great friends and supporters. And Darrell, I met Darrell when he was defending me on television. And the people that were on the other side of the argument didn’t have a chance, right. And Paris has done an amazing job in a very hostile CNN community; he’s all by himself. Seven people and Paris. I’ll take Paris over the seven. But I don’t watch CNN, so I don’t get to see you as much. I don’t like watching fake news. But Fox has treated me very nice, wherever Fox is, thank you. We’re going to need better schools, and we need ‘em soon. We need more jobs, we need better wages, a lot better wages. We’re going to work very hard on the inner city. Ben’s going to be doing that, big league, that’s one of his big things that we’re going to be looking at. We need safer communities and we’re going to do that with law enforcement. We’re going to make it safe. We’re going to make it much better than it is right now. Right now it’s terrible.
I saw you talking about it the other night, Paris, on something else that was really — you did a fantastic job the other night on a very unrelated show. I’m ready to do my part, and I will say this, we’re going to work together. This is a great group, this is a group that’s been so special to me, you really helped me a lot. If you remember, I wasn’t going to do well with the African-American community, and after they heard me speaking and talking about the inner city and lots of other things, we ended up getting, I won’t go into details, but we ended up getting substantially more than other candidates who had run in the past years. And now we’re going to take that to new levels. I want to thank my television star over here — Omarosa’s actually a very nice person. Nobody knows that. I don’t want to destroy her reputation. She is a very good person and she’s been helpful right from the beginning with the campaign and I appreciate it, I really do. Very special. So I want to thank everybody for being here.[/quote
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Trump re-upped his pledge to repeal the Johnson Amendment this morning at a prayer breakfast.
So it begins, separation of church and state is under attack.
Vash108 wrote: Trump re-upped his pledge to repeal the Johnson Amendment this morning at a prayer breakfast.
So it begins, separation of church and state is under attack.
..see he's also removing the whole "it's illegal to bribe foreign officials" law too ?
That's the Russian's thanks then.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Because he's a sociopath who's willing to act as a token minority in return for fame and money.
Still does nothing to excuse the riots, nor the violation of the rights of the students who paid to see him to free speech and peaceful assembly.
I'm pretty much in full agreement with this in regards to the rioting. The students who paid should be refunded with an apology. The university isn't required to give him a platform however, but I would find it a scummy move had they cancelled it themselves without a riot as a reason.
Unless I missed something, the only reason the show was cancelled was for safety due to the riots. UC Berkeley did not cancel the show for political reasons.
(I'm not suggesting you are implying otherwise, but others on the thread seem to be asserting that UC Berkeley cancelled the show because they disagreed with the speakers views, which I have seen nothing that leads me to believe this was the case. IME, the university did nothing wrong here.)
I solemnly hope this is as far an escalation as such an event goes. I am deeply worried that another 'Berkeley' could happen elsewhere, only next time someone starts shooting Trump supporters, then all hell would break loose. if anything the events at Berkeley will put off any other Universities to host debate topics or public speakers in case such a riot happens again, sadly this could spell the end of student debates without fear of violence at the minute.
Vash108 wrote: Trump re-upped his pledge to repeal the Johnson Amendment this morning at a prayer breakfast.
So it begins, separation of church and state is under attack.
Vash108 wrote: Trump re-upped his pledge to repeal the Johnson Amendment this morning at a prayer breakfast.
So it begins, separation of church and state is under attack.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
