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I'd be surprised to see the Cadian range discontinued before the much older and much worse Catachans. I still remember the rejoicing when they were released and the praise for finally having IG plastics that weren't Rambo clones.

It doesn't matter if Cadia blows up or not. It is so utterly devastated that civil population can't live their in big enough numbers to churn out IG regiments like they used to.
Cadia falls, the WD makes that very clear.

Not a big fan of the Cadian look but they have numerous colonies established by their regiments and so I doubt they are going away, plus the genestealer boxes use them so even if nothing else they will be there?

Hoping for some new IG boxes - given GW is working the nostalgia vein very effectively be good to see some of the signature regiments in plastic and maybe some of the moer unusual ones?

 Mr Morden wrote:
Not a big fan of the Cadian look but they have numerous colonies established by their regiments and so I doubt they are going away, plus the genestealer boxes use them so even if nothing else they will be there?

Hoping for some new IG boxes - given GW is working the nostalgia vein very effectively be good to see some of the signature regiments in plastic and maybe some of the moer unusual ones?

I've been speculating for awhile that if we're going to see a new Guard book and new basic Guardsman models, we're going to see something like this:

Catachan Devils Squad
A Troops choice by itself, basically a Veteran-statted Squad with kit and fixings for 'Jungle Warfare'.

Steel Legion Squad
Another Troops choice by itself, Veteran-statted Squad with kit and fixings to serve as a Chimera-based rapid reaction force.

Elysian Drop Troop Squad
A Troops choice by itself, Veteran-statted Squad with kit and fixings to serve as Deep Striking/Valkyrie dropped unit.


It would allow them to introduce new Guard kits, without them having to redo a whole range to match the aesthetics.

I would hope that the Cadian model wouldn't get discontinued. There are other cool regiment (Death Korps, Steel Legion, Elysians), but since video games were my introduction to 40k, the Cadian regiment is the iconic IG to me.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Not a big fan of the Cadian look but they have numerous colonies established by their regiments and so I doubt they are going away, plus the genestealer boxes use them so even if nothing else they will be there?

Hoping for some new IG boxes - given GW is working the nostalgia vein very effectively be good to see some of the signature regiments in plastic and maybe some of the moer unusual ones?

I've been speculating for awhile that if we're going to see a new Guard book and new basic Guardsman models, we're going to see something like this:

Catachan Devils Squad
A Troops choice by itself, basically a Veteran-statted Squad with kit and fixings for 'Jungle Warfare'.

Steel Legion Squad
Another Troops choice by itself, Veteran-statted Squad with kit and fixings to serve as a Chimera-based rapid reaction force.

Elysian Drop Troop Squad
A Troops choice by itself, Veteran-statted Squad with kit and fixings to serve as Deep Striking/Valkyrie dropped unit.


It would allow them to introduce new Guard kits, without them having to redo a whole range to match the aesthetics.

I'd rather see new stuff instead of more plastic Catachan. I'd be OK with Steel Legion in plastic, but they are still an older army (and so a rehash) and also cloned more effectively by FW with the DKoK, Plastic DKoK and Elysians would be nice, but again, not anything new. Like I said, I'd rather see new armies. I like the vein you're going though, with different armies making up different choices. It'll allow people to buy bunches of the new kits to try out all the different rules but will allow those that want to stick with their Cadians or only play Catachen or whatever army to be able to do so. Only thing I'd change (from what you posted) is to make Elysian a fast attack unit instead of a troop choice.

 Asmodai wrote:
I'd be surprised to see the Cadian range discontinued before the much older and much worse Catachans. I still remember the rejoicing when they were released and the praise for finally having IG plastics that weren't Rambo clones.

I remember that too. I was one of the ones rejoicing. I hated those Rambos. But, silly and naive fool that I was, I also expected that after a few years of plastic Cadians, we would get a new plastic kit of a different regiment. Maybe even Valhallans!

Oh, the innocent days of youth.

The main issue I always thought was, how many other armies have two entire ranges for a single codex? When you had the catachan supplement it might a bit of sense, but in effect you had two armies worth of models using up shelf space.

I'm a bit surprised seeing it's heavily hinted cadia has been blown up. Ok I understand it will do great to progress the story of 40k and lets be frank, the story does need progressing. Not AoS progressing but it is getting a bit stale now.

The catachan range should either be axed or they replace the standard box, the newer catachan models (which I believe are actually newer than the cadian ones) aren't actually that terrible.

I would personally prefer a range that looks like a mix of catachans and cadian for a battle hardened guardsman look. Another alternative would be to have a generalised guardmans range with cadian, catachan, mordian, steel legion etc upgrade sprues.

I remember somewhere in the fluff that Cadian pattern gear has become the standard for many regiments across the Imperium. I don't think the Cadian models are going anywhere, but they might get rebranded as just the standard pattern of gear for a large portion of the IG.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Not a big fan of the Cadian look but they have numerous colonies established by their regiments and so I doubt they are going away, plus the genestealer boxes use them so even if nothing else they will be there?

Hoping for some new IG boxes - given GW is working the nostalgia vein very effectively be good to see some of the signature regiments in plastic and maybe some of the moer unusual ones?

I've been speculating for awhile that if we're going to see a new Guard book and new basic Guardsman models, we're going to see something like this:

Catachan Devils Squad
A Troops choice by itself, basically a Veteran-statted Squad with kit and fixings for 'Jungle Warfare'.

Steel Legion Squad
Another Troops choice by itself, Veteran-statted Squad with kit and fixings to serve as a Chimera-based rapid reaction force.

Elysian Drop Troop Squad
A Troops choice by itself, Veteran-statted Squad with kit and fixings to serve as Deep Striking/Valkyrie dropped unit.


It would allow them to introduce new Guard kits, without them having to redo a whole range to match the aesthetics.

And again, people miss the point that to release a new IG regiment in plastic, all you need are THREE KITS. Your release schedule could easily just be another regiment which would sell far better than highly limited units that go completely against how IG works for the most part. You don't see single squads of catachans and Elisians attached to other regiments, they're just deployed as a unit.

Seriously. You just need a command box, an infantry squad box, and a heavy weapons box. Then you're set. That's all the Cadians and Catachans have and if a few changes were made (for example including all the special weapons in the infantry squad kit, options for shotgun, etc.) you could represent pretty much every infantry option in the codex. That's 3 kits, 3 boxes, to release a whole new regiment for Imperial Guard. Even the Space Marine chapters have more unique variant kits than that and most of their "special" units are just slightly modified versions of something simple like dreadnaughts or predators.


It would be stupidly easy for GW to drop a new IG regiment, and it's guaranteed sales since many IG armies will have double the infantry other armies have bare minimum. The rest of the range is already there since advisors always have the same look, and if you threw a couple tank commanders in the regiment HQ box you would even have the vehicles ready to go as well.

If GW wants to make a new posterboy regiment, or even just revamp the line, now is the time. It takes a measly 3 kits to pop a new regiment out, which is nothing for a month's release. It's honestly kind of surprising they haven't done it already.

With the new sprues so full of stuff (compare the Cadians to the GS Cult or Empire troops) you could probably do it in two or even one.

Even an updated version of the old Cadians would be great.

And again, people miss the point that to release a new IG regiment in plastic, all you need are THREE KITS. Your release schedule could easily just be another regiment which would sell far better than highly limited units that go completely against how IG works for the most part. You don't see single squads of catachans and Elisians attached to other regiments, they're just deployed as a unit.

Seriously. You just need a command box, an infantry squad box, and a heavy weapons box. Then you're set. That's all the Cadians and Catachans have and if a few changes were made (for example including all the special weapons in the infantry squad kit, options for shotgun, etc.) you could represent pretty much every infantry option in the codex. That's 3 kits, 3 boxes, to release a whole new regiment for Imperial Guard. Even the Space Marine chapters have more unique variant kits than that and most of their "special" units are just slightly modified versions of something simple like dreadnaughts or predators.

If GW wants to make a new posterboy regiment, or even just revamp the line, now is the time. It takes a measly 3 kits to pop a new regiment out, which is nothing for a month's release. It's honestly kind of surprising they haven't done it already.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Not a big fan of the Cadian look but they have numerous colonies established by their regiments and so I doubt they are going away, plus the genestealer boxes use them so even if nothing else they will be there?

Hoping for some new IG boxes - given GW is working the nostalgia vein very effectively be good to see some of the signature regiments in plastic and maybe some of the moer unusual ones?

I've been speculating for awhile that if we're going to see a new Guard book and new basic Guardsman models, we're going to see something like this:

Catachan Devils Squad
A Troops choice by itself, basically a Veteran-statted Squad with kit and fixings for 'Jungle Warfare'.

Steel Legion Squad
Another Troops choice by itself, Veteran-statted Squad with kit and fixings to serve as a Chimera-based rapid reaction force.

Elysian Drop Troop Squad
A Troops choice by itself, Veteran-statted Squad with kit and fixings to serve as Deep Striking/Valkyrie dropped unit.


It would allow them to introduce new Guard kits, without them having to redo a whole range to match the aesthetics.

And again, people miss the point that to release a new IG regiment in plastic, all you need are THREE KITS. Your release schedule could easily just be another regiment which would sell far better than highly limited units that go completely against how IG works for the most part. You don't see single squads of catachans and Elisians attached to other regiments, they're just deployed as a unit.

You actually do see that within the fluff.

Seriously. You just need a command box, an infantry squad box, and a heavy weapons box. Then you're set. That's all the Cadians and Catachans have and if a few changes were made (for example including all the special weapons in the infantry squad kit, options for shotgun, etc.) you could represent pretty much every infantry option in the codex. That's 3 kits, 3 boxes, to release a whole new regiment for Imperial Guard. Even the Space Marine chapters have more unique variant kits than that and most of their "special" units are just slightly modified versions of something simple like dreadnaughts or predators.

That's 3 boxes per Regiment you want to add.

It would be stupidly easy for GW to drop a new IG regiment, and it's guaranteed sales since many IG armies will have double the infantry other armies have bare minimum. The rest of the range is already there since advisors always have the same look, and if you threw a couple tank commanders in the regiment HQ box you would even have the vehicles ready to go as well.

If GW wants to make a new posterboy regiment, or even just revamp the line, now is the time. It takes a measly 3 kits to pop a new regiment out, which is nothing for a month's release. It's honestly kind of surprising they haven't done it already.

3 plastic boxes equates to 3 boxes that need to find shelf space. Guard stuff is already pretty cramped, thanks to the number of variant tank kits we have.

Not quoting because holy crap it would look awkward. No disrespect meant by the way.

1. That's a rare circumstance with composite regiments, and even there they're normally intermixed entirely just to form a regular unit. If you're talking about Dawn of War being a good example of cannon, I don't know what to tell you but that game is not a good source for lore, lots of inaccuracies and bizarre moments (I still love the games though.)

2.I was making the point that your proposed release was better served just making a new regiment instead. You're essentially proposing to release niche support units that wouldn't sell as much, vs the regiment release which is guaranteed to get a much heavier buy in from IG players. Essentially if we're comparing our two ideas, the regiment would be the better money maker over just releasing some paltry squads with limited options.

3.Hasnt stopped Space Marines. Besides, 3rd party IG models are one of the biggest things on the knockoff market, the demand is absolutely there. Also consider that an IG army requires the player to buy far more models than something like space marines, so in actuality while you have less people buying them, each person is buying far more kits than say a space marine player would.


Also I just realized that I horribly dragged this thread off topic. If you'd like to keep discussing this I'll happily take it to PM.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Not quoting because holy crap it would look awkward. No disrespect meant by the way.

1. That's a rare circumstance with composite regiments, and even there they're normally intermixed entirely just to form a regular unit. If you're talking about Dawn of War being a good example of cannon, I don't know what to tell you but that game is not a good source for lore, lots of inaccuracies and bizarre moments (I still love the games though.)

Gaunt's Ghosts had it as well. Lots of novels have used the premise of Guard specialists being used as exactly that during a main assault.

Off the top of my head, "Guns of Tanith" had Phantine members assigned to a Ghosts kill-team.

2.I was making the point that your proposed release was better served just making a new regiment instead. You're essentially proposing to release niche support units that wouldn't sell as much, vs the regiment release which is guaranteed to get a much heavier buy in from IG players. Essentially if we're comparing our two ideas, the regiment would be the better money maker over just releasing some paltry squads with limited options.

My proposal is to make units that, if one looks at the issues with Guard right now, can be used as stopgap specialists.

Need a Deep Striking unit? Now you have the choice between Tempestus and Elysians!
Want a special weapon toting squad mounted in a Chimera? Steel Legion!
"Heavy" assault troops with shorter ranged lasguns and heavier armor? Vostroyans!
Lightly equipped specialists with Move Through Cover and things like that? Catachans!

If you really feel like yours would be the bigger buy-in, you have to take into consideration that much of what exists now--Catachan wise--is just stock left to rot. There's a reason all their stuff is Direct Only.

If you made a new unit and gave them new and unsucky rules and made them easy to ally in?

You're basically looking at a license to print money. Right now, the biggest complaint I always hear about Guard armies is that it is unwieldy to get started with them. The Start Collecting IG set is a single flipping squad with extremely limited options, a tank, and a subpar HQ(Derp let's throw a Commissar in!).

Compare that to any other army and you'll see why Guard players end up having to buy so much. Our formations are drastically larger than they need to be and the army needs a dramatic shift in how it is organized.

3.Hasnt stopped Space Marines. Besides, 3rd party IG models are one of the biggest things on the knockoff market, the demand is absolutely there. Also consider that an IG army requires the player to buy far more models than something like space marines, so in actuality while you have less people buying them, each person is buying far more kits than say a space marine player would.

A Space Marine(Codex) player has two or three plastic kits that are regular(read: guaranteed) stock exclusive to their book.
Centurions, Stormhawk/Stormtalon kit, and the Stalker/Hunter.
Virtually everything else is shared between the various Space Marine factions.

Space Marine Tactical Squad?
Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and Codex Space Marines all make use of the kit. Deathwatch do as well!
Blood Angels have their own Tactical Squad box as well, but it's not exactly earthshatteringly difficult to make use of the standard one for BA.
Devastators? Same thing--barring the Deathwatch(they can't use Grav-Cannons so this kit isn't as helpful for them outside of conversion bits).
Character blisters? No big deal there, unless specifically named as something(DA Chaplain, BA Apothecary, etc)!

You'd be surprised at how little of an issue there is cross-stocking for SM and their factions versus what you want to do(three new boxes).

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
1. That's a rare circumstance with composite regiments, and even there they're normally intermixed entirely just to form a regular unit. If you're talking about Dawn of War being a good example of cannon, I don't know what to tell you but that game is not a good source for lore, lots of inaccuracies and bizarre moments (I still love the games though.)

It's actually surprisingly common. Regiments can be demolished on such a scale they're combat ineffective, often on the other side of the galaxy from their original recruiting world. Often they'll simply recruit troops from local sources or simply combine whatever local regiments together to return to regiment size (and btw that's stated in the codex itself).

The catachan and elyasian mix is on of the more famous examples.

I don't think they will retire the Cadian range, but I believe it's likely they will announce a new set of kits focusing on one of the other established themes (such as the Valhallans), or they might introduce an entirely new theme.

The Cadian plastics we have today were introduced more than 15 years ago, if I'm not mistaken, making Cadians one of the oldest plastic kits still in production without any major changes having been made to the kit. Since then, GW standards have changed somewhat, while the technology has evolved. It appears to be much cheaper today to have diecast molds made, whereas in the late 90's new molds were a considerable investment, and a major factor when GW developed new armies and kits.

I'm mystified as to why they haven't yet produced an alternative plastic IG theme. They've had plenty of opportunities with every revision of Codex IG. It's not like it wouldn't sell; there is a big market for alternative, frequently third party IG models, such as FW's Krieg, Victoria Lamb's miniatures, etc., and IG players usually buy a lot more models than other 40k players.

BrianDavion wrote:

Davor wrote:

 amazingturtles wrote:

 kronk wrote:
Well there you go! Cadia is safe. Clearly they blew up Cadib.

Poor Cadib. And with only two weeks left til retirement

How does anyone hit retirement on Caida?

a gold plated watch is thrown into your coffin with your corpse

Gold coloured watch*

Those tithes aint going to fill themselves.

What i like about this whole retirement thing is that i'm pretty sure we were originally talking about a planet

I never noticed all these years that the standard Guard box was labelled Cadian Shock Troops....

I watched Aliens last night. I really wish they could find a way to make Guard the posterboys of 40K and center everything around the grunts.

Might as well keep wishing for plastic Kasrkin.....

General Hobbs wrote:




I never noticed all these years that the standard Guard box was labelled Cadian Shock Troops....

I watched Aliens last night. I really wish they could find a way to make Guard the posterboys of 40K and center everything around the grunts.

Might as well keep wishing for plastic Kasrkin.....

The problem is that changing the Guard to the posterboys of 40k would require a complete shift in perspective in writing that I don't think the current writers of 40k are capable of even appreciating these days. With everyone at GW HQ jerking themselves off over how the newest badass can trounce every other badass that came before them, there's no appreciation for the humanity or absurdity of the Guard and the position they have in the world.

 Fafnir wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:




I never noticed all these years that the standard Guard box was labelled Cadian Shock Troops....

I watched Aliens last night. I really wish they could find a way to make Guard the posterboys of 40K and center everything around the grunts.

Might as well keep wishing for plastic Kasrkin.....

The problem is that changing the Guard to the posterboys of 40k would require a complete shift in perspective in writing that I don't think the current writers of 40k are capable of even appreciating these days. With everyone at GW HQ jerking themselves off over how the newest badass can trounce every other badass that came before them, there's no appreciation for the humanity or absurdity of the Guard and the position they have in the world.

Oh we had a game like that. It was called Warhammer Fantasy. It's dead now. Replaced by AoS a game with obscure realms and SPESS MEHREENES!!!

*Spoliers*

 Fafnir wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:




I never noticed all these years that the standard Guard box was labelled Cadian Shock Troops....

I watched Aliens last night. I really wish they could find a way to make Guard the posterboys of 40K and center everything around the grunts.

Might as well keep wishing for plastic Kasrkin.....

The problem is that changing the Guard to the posterboys of 40k would require a complete shift in perspective in writing that I don't think the current writers of 40k are capable of even appreciating these days. With everyone at GW HQ jerking themselves off over how the newest badass can trounce every other badass that came before them, there's no appreciation for the humanity or absurdity of the Guard and the position they have in the world.

guard also are a lot less visually distinct then marines which ius abd for a poster boy

Going by the standards of the old, ugly, and boring Cadian sculpts, yes. But there are plenty of regiments that manage to stand out gloriously. Forgeworld's Krieg are already a great example of that; and the Vostroyan Firstborn, Haakoni Warhawks, Tanith First, Savlar Chem Dogs, Mordian Iron Guard, and Praetorian Guard all present some great opportunities to make some very visually distinctive regiments. In fact, I'd say that any one of those forces would probably stand out more than your average Space Marine.

First Born are a good choice for a distinctive poster boy.
They even fit the overall aesthetic with baroque-esque steampunk look. You don't need to design a new look for guard, just bring back Vostroyans.

Marines are easy for beginners to paint. They're blocky and their vehicles are blocky. Guard are small, human sized and fiddle.


I would totally start a combined Voystaran-Armegeddon company.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
First Born are a good choice for a distinctive poster boy.
They even fit the overall aesthetic with baroque-esque steampunk look. You don't need to design a new look for guard, just bring back Vostroyans.

"Bring back"? They've never gone anywhere.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
First Born are a good choice for a distinctive poster boy.
They even fit the overall aesthetic with baroque-esque steampunk look. You don't need to design a new look for guard, just bring back Vostroyans.

"Bring back"? They've never gone anywhere.

They went to the land of webstore exclusives.

 oldzoggy wrote:
This took me way longer than it should have >.<

Me too