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I've wanted to get something together for a proper Black Legion alpha strike, and thought it was the appropriate time to try and bring in the Dimensional Key to better effect.

++ CSM Black Legion Speartip (1850pts) ++

+ Core (473pts) +

····The Hounds of Abaddon (473pts)
······Chaos Bikers [4x Chaos Biker, Mark of Khorne, 2x Meltagun, Veterans of the Long War]
········Chaos Biker Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]
······Chaos Lord [Aura of dark glory, Axe of Blind Fury, Bolt Pistol, Juggernaut of Khorne, Mark of Khorne, Power Armour, Veterans of the Long War]
······Chaos Space Marines [Mark of Khorne, Meltagun, 4x Swap Boltgun with CCW, Veterans of the Long War]
········Aspiring Champion [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Close Combat Weapon]
······Khorne Berzerkers [4x Berzerkers, Veterans of the Long War]
········Berzerker Champion [Bolt Pistol, Chainaxe]

+ Command (373pts) +

····The Chosen of Abaddon (373pts)
······Chaos Terminators [Veterans of the Long War]
········Chaos Terminator [Combi-plasma, Power Axe]
········Chaos Terminator [Combi-melta, Powerfist]
········Chaos Terminator [Combi-melta, Powerfist]
········Terminator Champion [Combi Bolter, Power Axe]
········Terminator with Heavy Weapon [Chainfist, Reaper Autocannon]
······Sorcerer [2x Additional Mastery Level, Combi-bolter, Force Stave, Spell familiar, Terminator Armour, Veterans of the Long War]

+ Auxiliary (1004pts) +

····Cult of Destruction (414pts)
······Obliterators [Mark of Nurgle, Obliterator, Veterans of the Long War]
······Obliterators [Mark of Nurgle, Obliterator, Veterans of the Long War]
······Obliterators [Mark of Nurgle, Obliterator, Veterans of the Long War]
······Obliterators [Mark of Nurgle, Obliterator, Veterans of the Long War]
······Warpsmith [Bolt Pistol, Power Axe, Veterans of the Long War]

····Raptor Talon (590pts)
······Chaos Lord [Dimensional Key, Jump Pack, Lightning Claw, Mark of Nurgle, Power Armour, Power Fist, Sigil of corruption, Veterans of the Long War, Warlord]
······Raptors [Mark of Nurgle, 2x Meltagun, 4x Raptor, Veterans of the Long War]
········Raptor Champion [2x Lightning Claw]
······Raptors [Mark of Nurgle, 2x Meltagun, 4x Raptor, Veterans of the Long War]
········Raptor Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]
······Raptors [Mark of Nurgle, 2x Meltagun, 4x Raptor, Veterans of the Long War]
········Raptor Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]

Warlord is in the Raptor Talon, well equipped with the classic PF/LC combo. Opt to have him and his Raptor unit deepstrike turn 1, find the squishiest target I can, and get that lord to murder whatever he well pleases. Key activation on turn 1, huge 24" difficult/dangerous terrain bubble for enemies, and another 7 units to bring in turn 2+ (can try for turn 1 if needed), that will not scatter after turn 1 (i.e, place them as perfectly as possible, and smile).

Kept the biker unit with juggerlord fairly killy to keep the distraction level high.

Lack of objsec has me concerned, and can't decide on psychic powers to shoot for (thinking geo or ecto for the increases to movement/positioning they allow), but overall I'm pumped to give the list a try.

Thoughts and comments welcome and encouraged, many thanks!

If you go for the night lords chapter tacts your troops become raptors. Getting you the much needed obj secured.

I would think the T1 arrival with assault from reserves trumps Objective secured.

...But..
Terminators are troops in black legion right? take the sorcerer and terminators out of the speartip, and add another troop so you can have a CAD. Terminator Obsec. Won't arrive with the first wave, but that's probably OK.

bas40 wrote:
If you go for the night lords chapter tacts your troops become raptors. Getting you the much needed obj secured.

In what way? If he goes Night Lords he's no longer Black Legion and can no longer use the Speartip detachment. If you mean that the raptors become troops within the formation and therefore gain obj secured, that's wrong as well. Objective Secured applies to troops in a Combined Arms Detachment or Allied Detachment or any detachment that grants it as part of its command benefits. Troops don't have that inherently. Unless you mean to change to a CAD and go night lords instead, I just don't think that's very helpful when he's writing a Black Legion Speartip list and not explicitly debating not doing so.

bas40 wrote:If you go for the night lords chapter tacts your troops become raptors. Getting you the much needed obj secured.

True, but as stated, I lose the proper alpha strike the list is going for. Speartip allowing for turn 1 deepstrikes of regular non-drop pod units is huge, and I want to try and take advantage of that as best as I can. For Night Lords, I'd be playing a leadership manipulation game instead.

Captyn_Bob wrote:I would think the T1 arrival with assault from reserves trumps Objective secured.

...But..
Terminators are troops in black legion right? take the sorcerer and terminators out of the speartip, and add another troop so you can have a CAD. Terminator Obsec. Won't arrive with the first wave, but that's probably OK.

They are indeed, and I like this idea quite a bit. I'll work on a list revision in a moment.

Jacksmiles wrote:

bas40 wrote:
If you go for the night lords chapter tacts your troops become raptors. Getting you the much needed obj secured.

In what way? If he goes Night Lords he's no longer Black Legion and can no longer use the Speartip detachment. If you mean that the raptors become troops within the formation and therefore gain obj secured, that's wrong as well. Objective Secured applies to troops in a Combined Arms Detachment or Allied Detachment or any detachment that grants it as part of its command benefits. Troops don't have that inherently. Unless you mean to change to a CAD and go night lords instead, I just don't think that's very helpful when he's writing a Black Legion Speartip list and not explicitly debating not doing so.

While I have considered adding in a different Legion as a CAD, I'm not as keen to do it, so sticking with Black Legion for now. Besides, they're all painted up in black and gold anyhow