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Would abilities that affect the Warp Storm table also affect the Tzeentchian Warp Storm table? In particular I'm thinking of the Unearthly Power ability from the Daemonic Incursion detachment and the Lord of Unreality warlord trait, but there are probably some others hiding out there.

I'm thinking that they're distinct, RAW. I have no idea what to think RAI.

It's described as a variation, I would say rules affecting the warp storm would apply.

Yeah, there really is no grey area here. The Tz WS replaces the regular one in every instance. So if Fateweaver is your WL, you get re-rolls. If you are running an Incursion, you get +1/-1

I'm still not sure if I like the Tz one over the regular one, though

The Daemon Incursion bonus definitely does not work with the Tzeentch Storm. In it's rule it specifically says the warp storm in Codex Chaos Daemons (and even gives the page number).

As for the Lord of Unreality bonus, that one is less clear but IMO also doesn't work. I think there is just too much of a distinction between the two and if it effects were suppose to work on both they would have put it in the rules for using the Tzeentch warp storm table

 CrownAxe wrote:
The Daemon Incursion bonus definitely does not work with the Tzeentch Storm. In it's rule it specifically says the warp storm in Codex Chaos Daemons (and even gives the page number).

I believe the Tz WS table says it can replace the one in the codex if conditions are met (Tz WL, I think). So if the Incursion uses the one in the codex, and the Tz WS table replaces it, how again does it not work?

Use the same logic as summoning a D-thirster. Possession summons a Thirster from the Codex, D-Thirster (and the other 2) replaces codex entry.
Ergo, you can summon a D-thirter. FAQ comfirms this.

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It does not say it replaces the codex warp storm table.

Doesn't it say that it can be used instead of? I'm away from my rule atm.

I am pretty sure that is what is says. "instead of" is the same as "replaces" in that anytime a rule references the Warp Storm, the Tz Warp Strom is used 'instead'

It doesn't say "instead" either. It uses no wording of the sort. It just says if tzeentch daemons is your primary detachment you can use the tzeentch warp storm table

It does say instead in the introduction rules bit.


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The pandaemoniad does specify tzeentch warp storm. I can see why they could be specific

 CrownAxe wrote:
It doesn't say "instead" either. It uses no wording of the sort. It just says if tzeentch daemons is your primary detachment you can use the tzeentch warp storm table

If it doesn't replace or is used instead of, than you are saying that you use BOTH at the same time. I'd be ok with this. Use Lord of Unreality and Unearthly Power to control the regular WS, and have the Tz WS go wild and cause havoc

"You will also find a variation of the warp storm table found in codex: chaos daemons .."

If you meet the restrictions ..

"You can choose to use the tzeentchian warp storm table for the rest of the battle , instead of the warp storm table found in codex: chaos daemons "


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The table also refers you to page 49, which has some.. lovely pictures of space wolves... Fail.

 Galef wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
It doesn't say "instead" either. It uses no wording of the sort. It just says if tzeentch daemons is your primary detachment you can use the tzeentch warp storm table

If it doesn't replace or is used instead of, than you are saying that you use BOTH at the same time. I'd be ok with this. Use Lord of Unreality and Unearthly Power to control the regular WS, and have the Tz WS go wild and cause havoc

you can only use the codex warp storm if chaos daemons is your primary detachment which is not the case as it would have to be a tzeentch daemon detachment to get the tzeentch warp storm

 CrownAxe wrote:
The Daemon Incursion bonus definitely does not work with the Tzeentch Storm. In it's rule it specifically says the warp storm in Codex Chaos Daemons (and even gives the page number).

As for the Lord of Unreality bonus, that one is less clear but IMO also doesn't work. I think there is just too much of a distinction between the two and if it effects were suppose to work on both they would have put it in the rules for using the Tzeentch warp storm table

Which was released before the one with the Tzeentch table that added that it can replace the normal one.


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 CrownAxe wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
It doesn't say "instead" either. It uses no wording of the sort. It just says if tzeentch daemons is your primary detachment you can use the tzeentch warp storm table

If it doesn't replace or is used instead of, than you are saying that you use BOTH at the same time. I'd be ok with this. Use Lord of Unreality and Unearthly Power to control the regular WS, and have the Tz WS go wild and cause havoc

you can only use the codex warp storm if chaos daemons is your primary detachment which is not the case as it would have to be a tzeentch daemon detachment to get the tzeentch warp storm

Wrong.
pg49 of WoM says

If your warlord has the daemon of Tzeentch special rule, and your primary detachment is chosen from either codex: chaos daemons, curse of the wulfen, or this book, you can choose to use the Tzeentchian warp storm table for the duration of the battle instead of the warp storm table found in codex: chaos daemons

Which also adds the fun that if you took rubrics with magnus as warlord (as long as that detachment was from one of the three books) you get the Tzeentch table without needing a detachment of daemons at all. As for normal daemons all you need is a herald of Tzeentch or something to be warlord and you get it.