Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

The title says it all, I have been out of the hobby since the fall after age of Sigmar came online. What's new, better, worser ( I know it's not a real word).

Bring a brother gamer up to speed!

In regards to plastic releases:

-Deathwatch
-Eldrad Ulthuan
-MkIII Horus Heresy stuff- 1k sons vs wolves
40k Thousand sons inc Tzaangors
PLASTIC MUTHA FETHING MAGNUS THE RED, DAEMON PRIMARCH OF PIGEON FANCIERS
Adeptus Mechanicus
Plastic Sisters of Battle in the form of Celestine, The Living Saint

In terms of rules:
CHAOS HAS LEGIONS AGAIN
Everything looked the same before, now it looks the same but only on fire - rumours of an 8th edition to cut down on rules bloat

AoS has a points system now. SC has made for some cheaper starter sets. TONS of board games have hit with even cheaper models. Slowly turning around most things that upset people

A few loud snowflake players didn't get what they want in the first groups of changes, so they resort to calling all the new/good changes "smoke and mirrors".

Holy Crapola. I just looked up the thousand sons stuff and I think wet myself. I LOVE Thousand Sons. And a plastic primarch? OMGWTFBBQ! I don't even know where to start.

Are they getting their own Codex or what?

 Phobos wrote:
Holy Crapola. I just looked up the thousand sons stuff and I think wet myself. I LOVE Thousand Sons. And a plastic primarch? OMGWTFBBQ! I don't even know where to start.

Are they getting their own Codex or what?

Kind of. They use the existing CSM codex and they get their own supplement called Wrath of Magnus for all the new stuff.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Phobos wrote:
Holy Crapola. I just looked up the thousand sons stuff and I think wet myself. I LOVE Thousand Sons. And a plastic primarch? OMGWTFBBQ! I don't even know where to start.

Are they getting their own Codex or what?

Kind of. They use the existing CSM codex and they get their own supplement called Wrath of Magnus for all the new stuff.

The Thousand Sons stuff in Wrath of Magnus is also in the supplement Traitor Legions, along with all of the other traitor legions stuff.

Basically everything is 300% better than when you left. AoS is a real game that people love, with great rules and a points system created in cooperation with leading competitive players and tournament organizers. 40k had a huge dump of astonishing new plastic ranges in Horus Heresy marines, AdMech, Genstealer Cults, Deathwatch, and Thousand Sons. They do tons of cheap box sets with up to 50% discount in some cases. GW have done a complete 180 on social media, have their own Twitch channel where they stream games, interviews, do Q&A and show sneak peeks of upcoming products three days per week, and both host their own competitive tournaments and attend others to stream and hang out. They make funny Youtube videos and leak stuff on their new Warhammer Community website. They even have their own social media celebrity in the infallible Duncan Rhodes (and Rob of course). Basically the only thing lacking atm is the 40k rule set, which is bloated beyond belief. If they somehow fix that they'll be golden.

AoS is a real game that people love, assuming they love skirmish games and not fantasy mass combat. If skirmish games are your thing, then the improvements to AoS may make it the game you're looking for.

Those of us who like fantasy mass combat have either moved on to non-GW games - KoW being the big one - or to WFB successors like T9A and Warhammer Armies Project. Or just kept playing WFB, in whatever edition they prefer.

Either way, it's personal preference what you choose to play... regardless of timetowaste85's innuendo that anyone who doesn't like AoS is somehow mentally or emotionally deficient.

 Vulcan wrote:
AoS is a real game that people love, assuming they love skirmish games and not fantasy mass combat. If skirmish games are your thing, then the improvements to AoS may make it the game you're looking for.

Those of us who like fantasy mass combat have either moved on to non-GW games - KoW being the big one - or to WFB successors like T9A and Warhammer Armies Project. Or just kept playing WFB, in whatever edition they prefer.

Either way, it's personal preference what you choose to play... regardless of timetowaste85's innuendo that anyone who doesn't like AoS is somehow mentally or emotionally deficient.

Not to mention the insinuation that AoS did not need a metric tonne of work before becoming anything other than a box of silly looking models* and some really crappy rules - and that the fixes for the rules are sold as a separate product.

GW has started listening to at least some of the complaints, and did create the General's Handbook, rather than pretending that everything is fine - so there have been some pretty big steps being made. I may disagree with charging money for those repairs, but at least they are doing the repairs. (Fans of AoS seem to leave out that most of the GHB is spent fixing the problems that people were complaining about when AoS first came out - that everything has always been fine.)

AoS may be growing into a viable game, but its initial release drove many from the Hhhobby. And folks that do not want to have anything to do with the game have solid reasons for their disdain.

That said - Spire of Dawn is a definite possibility for my own purchase, not for AoS, but for Kings of War - if GW ever gets it back in stock.

I have not bought anything GW in quite some time - aside from a tub of flock a few weeks ago and a bottle of liquid green stuff about a year before that. My saying that anything with the GW label is even being considered is a big improvement.

The Auld Grump

* Your mileage may vary - but... the Sigmarines and the daemonic thing with skull zits do not interest me in the slightest - though some of the other Chaos figures do not suck. Though I view the Sigmarines and some of the other more over the top AoS figures as symptoms of the direction that GW had started taking under 8th edition - the edition that brought us giant eagles with a trailer hitch.... AoS is a symptom, not the disease.

Phobos wrote:Holy Crapola. I just looked up the thousand sons stuff and I think wet myself. I LOVE Thousand Sons. And a plastic primarch? OMGWTFBBQ! I don't even know where to start.

Are they getting their own Codex or what?

If this blown your mind, what will you think of GW advancing the story line in 40K? While this may or may not be a story line advancement, GW has finally after acknowledged the results of the Eye of Terror campaign and made it into a story now. This may now continue as the story advancing for 40K.

8th edition is rumoured to come out in about 5 months or around June and these stories as some rumours go will lead of into 8th edition.

Advancing the storyline? *BLAM* HERESY!

Did the fluff get better for AoS? I bought the starter set but I couldn't finish reading the little booklet it included. It read like fanfic written by a 12 year old. AoS has an interesting premise, and I didn't mind it per se, but I just couldn't bring myself to read the dreck that was currently written for it.

 Phobos wrote:
Advancing the storyline? *BLAM* HERESY!

Did the fluff get better for AoS? I bought the starter set but I couldn't finish reading the little booklet it included. It read like fanfic written by a 12 year old. AoS has an interesting premise, and I didn't mind it per se, but I just couldn't bring myself to read the dreck that was currently written for it.

I don't know. With the atrocious art work and a $80 or $90 asking price for the books, I gave up on the Age of Sigmar fluff. That said I did by a few battletombs and it seems the artwork got finally better and the writing is better as well. Still not worth $90 but it is worth $40 they are asking for.

 Phobos wrote:
Advancing the storyline? *BLAM* HERESY!

Did the fluff get better for AoS? I bought the starter set but I couldn't finish reading the little booklet it included. It read like fanfic written by a 12 year old. AoS has an interesting premise, and I didn't mind it per se, but I just couldn't bring myself to read the dreck that was currently written for it.

Same fluff, same fans saying that the AoS fluff is great, same critics wondering what those fans have been smoking.

The Auld Grump - and tenth edition will be Sigmar waking up with a hangover and realizing that AoS was naught but a drunken dream....

 Phobos wrote:
Advancing the storyline? *BLAM* HERESY!

Did the fluff get better for AoS? I bought the starter set but I couldn't finish reading the little booklet it included. It read like fanfic written by a 12 year old. AoS has an interesting premise, and I didn't mind it per se, but I just couldn't bring myself to read the dreck that was currently written for it.

The latest novel (the one accompanying the Tzeentch release) is supposed to be amazing, so it certainly seems so. Sort of a Mordheim-ish storyline about a Witchhunter. I'm not keen on any novels involving the Stormcast personally, they haven't come up with even one compelling character for those guys yet. One book I would recommend (other than the Tzeentch one) would be Call of Archaon, which consists of four short stories, one each for four champions of the chaos gods, travelling to answer the call of Archaon and become one of his Varanguard. Still a bit too much fighting for my taste but it's much better than the others I've read. Still would probably recommend the Tzeentch one first, since it seems like a radical step up in quality. I would also recommend a listen through the episodes of the podcast The Mortal Realms, where they have an episode for each of the big Realmgate Wars campaign books. Explains the grander story arch of the Realmgate Wars in a condensed and interesting way. I like it because I also like Greek mythology and high fantasy, and AoS is high as a kite . I just wish they'd write better novels.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Vulcan wrote:
AoS is a real game that people love, assuming they love skirmish games and not fantasy mass combat. If skirmish games are your thing, then the improvements to AoS may make it the game you're looking for.

Those of us who like fantasy mass combat have either moved on to non-GW games - KoW being the big one - or to WFB successors like T9A and Warhammer Armies Project. Or just kept playing WFB, in whatever edition they prefer.

Either way, it's personal preference what you choose to play... regardless of timetowaste85's innuendo that anyone who doesn't like AoS is somehow mentally or emotionally deficient.

Very true. Obviously AoS is not for people who like mass combat rank and file - just like 40k isn't. The last few months (after the release of GHB) has seen many WHFB fans returning to the fold though, which is encouraging. Happily there are, like you say, lots of great alternatives for fans of ranked combat! In KoW you can use any models you like, so it's a perfect opportunity for people to use their old WHFB armies.

 Mymearan wrote:
Very true. Obviously AoS is not for people who like mass combat rank and file - just like 40k isn't. The last few months (after the release of GHB) has seen many WHFB fans returning to the fold though, which is encouraging. Happily there are, like you say, lots of great alternatives for fans of ranked combat! In KoW you can use any models you like, so it's a perfect opportunity for people to use their old WHFB armies.

The past few months I have seen people buying old Warhammer armies off of eBay - just so thay can use them for KoW, and even *GASP!* some people buying actual Mantic miniatures!

The downside is, while I see people buying both Warhammer models and models that have been repackaged for AoS, but were originally made for Warhammer, I am not seeing anybody buying the models made specifically for AoS for, well, anything.

So, I have seen Seraphon used as Salamanders in KoW - but the Dwarf-Troll-Slayers-With-A-Stupid-Rename don't get used at all.

Mind you, that is also largely true for the bigger models created for 8th edition Warhammer as well.

Much as I would love to blame AoS for all of Warhammer's woes, it is really just a symptom of how badly 8th edition failed. (6th edition still gets played... for whatever that is worth.)

AoS, for good or ill, is the result of GW trying to resurrect interest in their fantasy models - but, dear gods above and below, I really wish that GW hadn't half arsed the initial release of AoS.

AoS was not the worst game that I have ever played, heck, I liked it better than 4th edition D&D - but that is kind of like saying that I would rather have one foot nailed to the floor, rather than both....

At least the combats in AoS didn't take a full night to resolve a fight between ten models....

The Auld Grump - I would dearly love to see Forge World resurrect the old Warhammer world and a rank and file Warhammer to go with it.

Very true. Obviously AoS is not for people who like mass combat rank and file - just like 40k isn't. The last few months (after the release of GHB) has seen many WHFB fans returning to the fold though, which is encouraging. Happily there are, like you say, lots of great alternatives for fans of ranked combat! In KoW you can use any models you like, so it's a perfect opportunity for people to use their old WHFB armies.

Don't forget the 9th age. Also great for rank game players and quite a few enjoy being able to use models for both games or even fan-ruling AoS models for 9th like the 8.5 community does.

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Very true. Obviously AoS is not for people who like mass combat rank and file - just like 40k isn't. The last few months (after the release of GHB) has seen many WHFB fans returning to the fold though, which is encouraging. Happily there are, like you say, lots of great alternatives for fans of ranked combat! In KoW you can use any models you like, so it's a perfect opportunity for people to use their old WHFB armies.

The past few months I have seen people buying old Warhammer armies off of eBay - just so thay can use them for KoW, and even *GASP!* some people buying actual Mantic miniatures!

The downside is, while I see people buying both Warhammer models and models that have been repackaged for AoS, but were originally made for Warhammer, I am not seeing anybody buying the models made specifically for AoS for, well, anything.

So, I have seen Seraphon used as Salamanders in KoW - but the Dwarf-Troll-Slayers-With-A-Stupid-Rename don't get used at all.

Mind you, that is also largely true for the bigger models created for 8th edition Warhammer as well.

Much as I would love to blame AoS for all of Warhammer's woes, it is really just a symptom of how badly 8th edition failed. (6th edition still gets played... for whatever that is worth.)

AoS, for good or ill, is the result of GW trying to resurrect interest in their fantasy models - but, dear gods above and below, I really wish that GW hadn't half arsed the initial release of AoS.

AoS was not the worst game that I have ever played, heck, I liked it better than 4th edition D&D - but that is kind of like saying that I would rather have one foot nailed to the floor, rather than both....

At least the combats in AoS didn't take a full night to resolve a fight between ten models....

The Auld Grump - I would dearly love to see Forge World resurrect the old Warhammer world and a rank and file Warhammer to go with it.

That's very interesting, I've never seen anyone but anything for KoW - in fact I only personally know one person in the country who plays it! I don't think there's much of a community for KoW (or any Mantic game, which sucks since I like Deadzone) here in Sweden, although it seems popular in the UK. There's a vibrant AoS scene here though (in the country, sadly not locally) which is great for me as there are plenty of tournaments to attend.

As for the Fyreslayers - they were overpriced and ugly, and on top of that they're pretty bad in Matched Play. certainly the biggest misstep model-wise so far.

TheAuldGrump wrote:
That said - Spire of Dawn is a definite possibility for my own purchase, not for AoS, but for Kings of War - if GW ever gets it back in stock.

Hints of AoS becoming an actual game are interesting, but for me this is the best news after coming back. It means some IoB stuff had dropped below double figures again.

TheAuldGrump wrote:
The Auld Grump - I would dearly love to see Forge World resurrect the old Warhammer world and a rank and file Warhammer to go with it.

Wot, KoW not good enough?

Mymearan wrote:in fact I only personally know one person in the country who plays it!

Ah, well then.

What's that, Vermis?